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BBCNEWS Beyond 100 Days July 14, 2024

Jet powered flyboard. Hello and welcome. Im Christian Fraser in london and jane obrien is in washington. A day after clearing out the old cabinet, Boris Johnson appeared at the commons dispatch box today with a new team behind him and a bold plan in front of him. With energy and enthusiasm, the new Prime Minister painted a picture of a better Brexit Britain the beginning, he said, of a new golden age. The confident style of leadership reflects the settled decision of his new cabinet, and it is recognised in brussels. In an e mail to officials, the eus chief negotiatior, Michel Barnier, wrote, pm johnson has stated that, if an agreement is to be reached, it goes by way of eliminating the backstop. This is of course unacceptable and not within the mandate of the european council. As suggested by his rather combative speech, we have to be ready for a situation where he gives priority to the planning for no deal partly to heap pressure on the eu. Today, the conservative benches lapped it up, but there is a sizable minority on the conservative back benches who were nervously looking on. Our mission is to deliver brexit on the 31st of october for the purpose of uniting and the energising our great United Kingdom making this country the greatest place on earth. The Prime Minister wants to reopen the legally binding Withdrawal Agreement and is betting the threat of witholding £39 billion will force a rethink in brussels. But eu leaders say things must be done in sequence. The problem with the irish border, says mr barnier, cannot be deferred to a date when the uk is no longer a member. So lets explore some of this with anand menon, director of the uk in a changing europe. Nice to see you. What do you think the strategy is . There are three alternatives. The first is that the Prime Minister genuinely thinks that bya Prime Minister genuinely thinks that by a mixture of getting ready for no deal, talking tough, he can force the eu to move, you can get the backstop removed in the deal through parliament, either that or he realises which i think most people who know the eu suspect, which as they will not renew the backstop, so he either thinks, i wont get a deal, i will show i have tried but ta ke deal, i will show i have tried but take us out of the eu would no deal, oi take us out of the eu would no deal, ora take us out of the eu would no deal, or a tantalising third option which is he will posture with the eu, he might go to dublin, berlin, come back to parliament, say, they would not give in, we have to do no deal, and if parliament tries to stop him call a general election on the back of singh, ive tried, parliament is stopping me, give me a majority. stopping me, give me a majoritylj got stopping me, give me a majority. got a tweet last night from somebody who said, you have got to explain to people the sequencing because it was a row through the summer of 2017. When they first sat down to talk, the eu said what it was doing was in keeping with the usual, so long as the uk was a member state it could not negotiate a trade deal, you had to bea not negotiate a trade deal, you had to be a third party member. So the question is, is there scope to go back to the eu and negotiate both at the same time, but the Withdrawal Agreement and the future arrangement . That you have said they are willing to talk about what is called a political declaration that spelt out their ambitions for the future relationship. They have made that clear and will do it now with Prime Ministerjohnson, but they have also said they will not open that Withdrawal Agreement under any circumstances though are still open there. If the european council, heads of state and government want to revisit that they construct the commission to do so so that is why i said he might go to national capitals. The eu have also said, we wont talk about the next phase, our future relationship, until we have signed off on the past. 0ne future relationship, until we have signed off on the past. One is legal, we dont negotiate trade deals with the member state because it is against eu law to do that, the second is more political, we will not negotiate the future with you until you have signed off in the past, and you mentioned the 39 billion contained in the Withdrawal Agreement, what the eu is keen to stress is that from their perspective 39 billion is not a down payment for a trade deal but a payment for a trade deal but a payment of liabilities that we owe them so they will accept no linkage between the two. I want to come to another thing, i want to pick up something Iain Duncan Smith said today. He was close to the Prime Minister. He mentioned that in the event of no deal, there were arrangements already in place. The number one priority, which is what hes put michael gove in to do get ready to leave, full stop, deal or no deal. Thats really important. There are already 17 mini deals available. There will be more to do. They have to have an arrangement. 17 mini deals, ready to go. They are not mini deals, they are 17 bits of planning the eu has put in place, they will reserve the right to pull them, they are arrangements they are making to cope with no deal, if it comes to that. You get the impression listening to all of this it will bow down to who blinks first, who will give way . Because somebody has to. There are several coterminous games of chicken going on at once, one between london and brussels. The eu is making it clear at the moment that it has no intention of removing the backstop, the irish Prime Minister said the same on tv yesterday, and bear in mind they have politics in ireland two, the irish Prime Minister has created a political consensus around the backstop and is very unwilling to try and unpick that, but the other game of chicken going on is between Boris Johnson other game of chicken going on is between borisjohnson and his own mps. Introducing the earlier show to parliament he mentioned there was unease on conservative backbenchers on remain minded mps on the direction of travel, they have a lot of thinking to do over summer and have to decide what they liked least, the prospect of making a jeremy could more government more likely or the prospect of leaving the eu would no deal, and that is a difficult choice for them to make. Jeremy difficult choice for them to make. Jeremy corbyn government. Joining us now from our westminster studio is the conservative mp george freeman, who backed borisjohnson late in the contest. What has actually changed, listening to Boris Johnsons what has actually changed, listening to borisjohnsons speech, apart from his style . Two big things have changed, firstly, there can be no doubt in the corridors of europe or indeed the corridors of parliament 01 indeed the corridors of parliament or in the country that we have a Prime Minister who is absolutely committed to seeing through the referendum result and to leaving and is playing hard ball, referendum result and to leaving and is playing hardball, and if europe do not come to terms, then under the terms of the Withdrawal Agreement, we will leave without a deal. It is not what any of us want or what borisjohnson once, not what any of us want or what Boris Johnson once, but not what any of us want or what borisjohnson once, but he has understood in order to get the right deal and understood in order to get the right dealand in understood in order to get the right deal and in order to break out of this terrible cycle, that dishwasher laundry politics, round and ran for three years, undermining faith in the economy and dividing national unity, we have to break out of the cycle. And secondly, for me, finally, we are hearing really positive, ambitious, global long term vision about what brexit is supposed to be about. We have spent three years without that vision obsessing on the only thing people could deal with which is the legal terms of the Withdrawal Agreement. With clarity on what nation we want to be, what vision for ourselves we have, for other global rollers, then we cut some slack on the Withdrawal Agreement. And i hope this will break us out of that cycle and break us out into a new period in our history where we are in the european cultural, Scientific Collaboration soon but not in the Political Union and free to shape our own destiny. But if push comes to shove and you end up on the 31st of october with no deal, are you fully on board with that, would you vote for that . Yes, i have made clear the new Prime Minister needs a new mandate, we need to reload the weapon for the negotiation. I supported theresa may setting out no deal for three years as the backstop to a negotiation but u nfortu nately as the backstop to a negotiation but unfortunately it was a negotiation in which she failed to get a deal that was able to get to parliament. And in the end, we signed the Withdrawal Agreement, the article 50 agreement with europe, and it says, if you cant find an agreement you have to leave without a deal. I think it would be a very difficult period. Politically for the conservative party it is a huge gamble, but Boris Johnson conservative party it is a huge gamble, but borisjohnson has taken the view that the public have had enough and want us to find a way through this. I think you will pull of the negotiation that theresa may failed to get but more importantly he will pull the country together. And i think the tone of what he has been saying in the last 2a hours is, britain is ready to make a success of this, and for me on the agenda i ca re of this, and for me on the agenda i care passionately about our science and innovation, and i think you will surprise people by signalling he gets the need for open immigration for scientists and entrepreneurs to come here, but we need an open border policy for talent and expertise for our universities and research base. Britain exporting our science around the world to help sustainable development, for me that is key. I admire your confidence, but we have heard from Michel Barnier today who said what he has had from borisjohnson today is unacceptable, and i want to play you what leo varadkar said last night on the evening bulletin in ireland. Confidence and enthusiasm is not a substitute for a european policy or a foreign policy, so well need to hear in detail what he has in mind. Listening to what he said today, i got the impression that he wasnt just talking about deleting the backstop. He was talking about a whole new deal, a better deal, for britain. Thats not going to happen. That doesnt sound to me like the irish are ready to blink. It sounds to me like the opening shot in a negotiation. The irish have rather overplayed their hand in the last three years with Michel Barniers help. The irish realise it but not to leave without a deal, the worst hit country would be ireland, and i think the irish are looking at this borisjohnson think the irish are looking at this Boris Johnson cabinet in think the irish are looking at this borisjohnson cabinet in government and thinking, oh, my god, it looks as though they are prepared to leave, and you are beginning to see negotiating positions being put out. This is real poker now and the gun is loaded. I regret that that is where we are, but that is where the failures of the last three years have left us, and where i think boris is right is we cannot go on, round and round, is trust in politics collapses, we have got to have the guts and vision, take a stand, and if we succeed the British Public will return us to office with a majority. If we fail, we will be out of office. These are high stakes and thats why i think boris needs to assemble the government with all the talents to signal we are serious about making this a moment of renewal for about making this a moment of renewalfor britain, as about making this a moment of renewal for britain, as good european neighbours and citizens pa rt european neighbours and citizens part of science in defence and other collaborations, but no longer in the Political Union. Noticeable that conservative mps were staying quiet, the only one who seemed to stand up was 0liver lech when. The others, the so called squad, david cork, theresa may, greg clark, they were watching another tussle with ireland, they were at lords watching the cricket, where england we re watching the cricket, where england were fighting back after a rather lamentable start. Im not sure if thatis lamentable start. Im not sure if that is a metaphor, or maybe it is . They are all smiling. How long will they be smiling . We shall see. Be careful what you wish for. The democrats got what they wanted the former special counsel, robert mueller, on the stand. But his halting performance and his one word answers yesterday left many wondering what exactly they had gained. Theres little evidence that his response to questions about his two year investigation into Russian Election meddling and President Trumps conduct has changed any minds and, on the big question of impeachment, he doesnt seem to have given democrats any extra ammunition to start procedings. A short while ago, i spoke to democratic senator chris coons about yesterdays hearings. Thank you very much forjoining me. Did Robert Muellers testimony yesterday have any impact on the debate going on within your party over whether or not to start impeachment proceedings against the president . I think the most important part of his testimony yesterday was his first full reassertion of the fact that russia continues to try and interfere with the upcoming american elections. I dont know since i dont serve in the house how it will ultimately impact the debates within our caucus, but when members have asked my advice, i have said to them i think it is simple, we already know who the jury would be in an impeachment proceeding, it is the currently seeded members of the senate, and we already know what the outcome would be, not one republican would vote to remove President Trump, soi would vote to remove President Trump, so i have urge my colleagues to focus instead on accountability through the 2020 election to change thejury and through the 2020 election to change the jury and to instead focus on showing the American People how democrats in the house are passing week in, week out important pieces of legislation that affect things Like Health Care or securing our next election that the leader here in the Republican Controlled Senate is refusing to take up. The current fbi director today has reiterated what bob mueller warned about in his testimony, that americas adversaries are testimony, that americas adversaries a re relentless testimony, that americas adversaries are relentless and Cyber Attacks will continue into 2020. Is america better prepared than it was in 2016 . We are better prepared than in 2016 . We are better prepared than in 2016 but we have shown a spotlight on the ways in which our infrastructure has flaws and challenges, and one of the outcomes of so many public hearings on this issueis of so many public hearings on this issue is that i suspect it has drawn the intention in engagement of other adversaries in addition to russia. The fbi director testified in front of the committee on which i serve earlier this week and i am concerned that we are not moving forward bipartisan bills that are already tabled here in the senate and should be taken up and voted on. And joining me now is former assistant us attorney kim wehle. Shes author of the new book how to read the constitution and why. This hearing, this testimony, was supposed to be the biggie, so where did the various Legal Proceedings and other investigations go from here . Nancy pelosi mentioned there are subpoena fights pending in the courts where they have asked witnesses the testimony, witnesses have said no, but i dont think thats a barrier to continuing with oversight in general or even impeachment proceedings, we are getting closer to the 2020 election, i think there is a good argument to be made that even if impeachment we re be made that even if impeachment were to start, there would not be time to do it in a thorough, thoughtful manner, so 2020, the election itself, might become pivotal, not just for election itself, might become pivotal, notjust for purposes of choosing a president but for purposes of determining whether the american presidency is above the law 01 american presidency is above the law or if theres any accountability for wrongdoing in office. But if the president being held to a different legal standards and ordinary americans, particularly over this notion of the presumption of innocence . Because his own lawyer has said that he should be assumed to be innocent until Proven Guilty and the report did not actually prove him enough to bring charges. The presumption of innocence is badly misunderstood. It implies one someone badly misunderstood. It implies one someone actually goes to trial, and the idea is that person is considered totally innocent unless the government proves their case. The burden is on the government. The presumption of innocence does not apply to mrtrump presumption of innocence does not apply to mr trump just presumption of innocence does not apply to mr trumpjust in his office as president and in this instance he is th

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