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Welcome back to this bbc news special. We go back to the house of commons where british politicians have been debating and voting on whether to hold that early general election next month. This is the second time that they have voted on it. Borisjohnson, second time that they have voted on it. Boris johnson, the second time that they have voted on it. Borisjohnson, the Prime Minister, again rolling out seeking an extension from the eu, saying that he did not want a snap poll, but accepting that it was the only way to break that deadlock. The Prime Minister also accusing the opposition parties of, in his words, conniving to delay brexit, saying that they were showing preposterous cowardice. Let us go back. We listen to the speaker now. Order the ayes to the right, 293, the noes to the left, 246. The ayes to the right, 293, the noes to the left, 46. The ayes have it. By way of explanation, for those who observe oui explanation, for those who observe our proceedings and the nods suggest they are well ahead of me, joe would expect, the majority does not satisfy the requirements of the fixed term is parliament at for the election that some speak. Im simply the messenger and i have reported the messenger and i have reported the facts. And im glad that the matter is of interest to those who are looking upstairs and thank you very much indeed. Order. Point of order, the Prime Minister. Unlock. The Prime Minister. I earlier urge the house to trust the people, but once again the opposition think they know better urged. They want the british Prime Minister to go to a vital negotiation without the power to walk away. They want to delay brexit, yet again, yet again, without further reference to those who voted for it, handing over to brussels an extra £200 a week for no purpose. Enough to upgrade more than five hospitals or train 5000 new nurses. And most egregiously of all, not only have they refused to choose the way ahead, they have now, twice, denied the british people there say in an election. The house cannot choose. It will not let anyone else choose, mr speaker. It resolves only to be irresolute. Decides only to be undecided. Determined to do that adamant. So now the house will move to adjourn and resume the state opening on the queens speech on october the 14th. And i hope the opposition will move that time to reflect. Meanwhile, this government will press on with negotiating a deal. While preparing to leave without one. Unable go to that crucial summit in brussels on october 17 and no matter how many devices this parliament invents to tie my hands i will strive, mr speaker, to get an agreement in the national interest. This government will not delay brexit any further. We will not allow the emphatic verdict of the referendum to be slowly suffocated by further drift and paralysis. And while the opposition run from the duty to a nswer to opposition run from the duty to answer to those who put us here, they cannot hide forever the moment will come. The moment will come when the people will finally get their chance to deliver their verdict, mr speaker, on how faithfully this house executed their wishes. And they determined that they will see that it was this government that was on their side and i am determined. Cheering. Order Jeremy Corbyn . Point order, mr speaker. Order Jeremy Corbyn . Point order, mrspeaker. I order Jeremy Corbyn . Point order, mr speaker. I think we have order Jeremy Corbyn . Point order, mr speaker. Ithink we have had quite enough of the playground politics in parliament this evening a point of order. The one thing the Prime Minister didnt say was he was going to obey the law of this country. He did not say he acknowledged or accepted frevo s that have ta ken acknowledged or accepted frevo s that have taken place in this parliament. And under his request, the house is now due, apparently, this evening to be prorogued for one of the longest prorogations in history, simply in order to avoid any questioning of what he is doing or not doing, simply to avoid discussion about yellowhammer, particularly to avoid any discussion about the proposals he has or hasnt or do or dont exist that have been put to the European Union. Mr speaker, this government is a disgrace and the way the Prime Minister operates is a disgrace. Order. Be quiet. Jeremy corbyn. Mr speaker, i hope the Prime Minister will reflect on the issue of prorogation and shutting down parliament to avoid a government being held to account, because that is exactly what he has done today and proposes to do to this country. Point of order, ian blackford. Thank you, mr speaker. Ishould, perhaps, congratulate the Prime Minister, because at least he has been consistent. He has lost every vote he has brought to this house. Ever since he became Prime Minister. Perhaps thats the reason, mr speaker, that he is trying to shut down democracy this evening. The message that must go to the Prime Minister is, well, he can run for the next few weeks, but we will back here in october. He is the Prime Minister of a minority government and he has been given an instruction that he is to go to brussels and get an extension. Once that extension has been delivered, we will have an election and boris will be swept from government. The people of scotla nd from government. The people of scotland will get there say. And ill look forward to us securing our future as an independent Scottish Government away from the clutches of a tory brexit britain, and isolationist britain taking us away from our partners and friends in the European Union. Thank you. Sir edward daly, point of order. Thank you, mr speaker, this is a sad day, actually, for our democracy. We are seeing. We are seeing this parliament shutdown, mr speaker, because the Prime Minister is running away from accountability and scrutiny. A Prime Minister who said that he is not prepared to abide by the rule of law is running away from this parliament. I offer the Prime Minister a way out. The liberal democrats offered the Prime Minister a way out. Put into the people in a peoples vote. Yes, its called a general election. Thank you, point of order, rachael maskell. Thank you, mr speaker, iwonder of order, rachael maskell. Thank you, mr speaker, i wonder if you can advise me how they can put on record the views of my constituents. This evening i was due to present a petition to this house, forthcoming from my constituents who wish parliament not to be prorogued, due to the procedures, the voices of my constituents will be silenced this evening and the petition will not be placed. Could you advise me on the actions that i can now take . Well said there are two actions that can be taken. One is to speak on the four of the chamber, which is what the honourable abie lady hasjust done. The second course of action open to the honourable lady is to put the petition in the back. They have a feeling with the flatness of foot that is the action that the honourable lady will take flatness. She has found a means by which to express the concerns of her constituents. Point of order, roberts. 34 days during which all the checks and balances and gears of parliamentary democracy have been deliberately stalled. When the government teaches between avoiding and evading the law. This is neither normal nor honourable. We desperately need a new politics. A Citizens Convention in every nation of truth and conciliation in an informed referendum, with article 50 revoked, if necessary, to allow this to happen. Now, i know revoked, if necessary, to allow this to happen. Now, i know i cant ask you to resolve this, in all honesty, but i think he time is fast approaching when you have to do exactly that. Thank you. Point of order. Thank you, mr speaker, the events of tonight have shown so clearly that our political system is broken. It is wrong that a Prime Minister can suspend parliament as a mere inconvenience simply to avoid scrutiny. It is wrong that he can cynically try to use the proposal for a general election as a way of getting us to crush out of the eu while we are in the middle of a general election. We cannot continue with this un codified constitution that depends on people playing by the rules when we have a feral government that not only is not playing by the rules, but isnt even going to abide by the law. We urgently need a written constitution, a Citizens Convention to inform it. No one voted for less democracy. We should design our constitutional settlement so that such a cynical power grab can never be allowed to happen again. Thank you. Point of order, luke graham. Thank you very much, mr speaker. Cheering. Youre watching the bbc news special. We are watching the debate in the house of commons following that those, a second vote asking the politicians to back a snap election, which was not achieved by the government because of that necessity to get two thirds majority. Not achieving at this time. Jessica parker, my political correspond monitoring all events for us. Jessica, let us start with the vote itself. 293 politicians voting in favour for a second election. Itself. 293 politicians voting in favourfor a second election. But way off that two thirds majority they need. Way of the majority they need. No surprise tonight. Opposition parties have made it abundantly clear that they were either going to abstain or vote against the motion. The 293, that is against the motion. The 293, that is a touch over what is now the numbers in terms of conservative mps, after the whip was removed from 2 of them last week. We have to see the breakdown of those votes and who voted how. We will get those names ina voted how. We will get those names in a short while. But borisjohnson, i think, theyre trying to suggest that mps have, by doing this, meant it means that people have been denied a right to have a say over the idea of a general election, because, they already rejected the idea of a general election last week. What really strikes me, listening to all the speeches that are going on in the house of commons tonight, is, gosh, it might be late and i, what time is, a quarter to one the morning, but it is not exactly a sleepy house of Commons Chamber as things wrap up at the end of this parliamentary session. A lot of this parliamentary session. A lot of anger, a lot of energetic debate, if you were to put it diplomatically. This parliament has become quite a fractious place and thatis become quite a fractious place and that is in evidence here tonight. Lot of volatility regarding the prorogation of parliament, the suspension forfive prorogation of parliament, the suspension for five weeks coming up now. How does that work in terms of the logistics of the conversations that are happening now . When we see that are happening now . When we see that prorogation, jessica . The ceremony will happen after this debate wraps up tonight. Im told it ta kes debate wraps up tonight. Im told it takes 30 40 minutes to prepare for that ceremony. And after that parliament will be prorogued for five weeks. And if people are wondering what on earth happens during those five weeks, well, in this case, we will see Party Conferences, so the parties will gather in various spots around the country, politicians will make big set pieces speeches to their party faithful, in some cases policy will be decided, but there will be an awful lot going on behind the scenes as well. This is not a normal Party Conference season. As well. This is not a normal Party Conference season. Mps are acutely conscious that when they come back on october 14 it will be a touch of two weeks to go before the 31st of october deadline. And as we have learned over the last week, for sure, a majority of mps are against a no deal brexit. So you have to think they will be making preparations to take borisjohnson because he was pretty clear tonight, wasnt he, he will not be seeking a delay to brexit, despite the fact that, arguably, although i think s law will be tested, hes going to be mandated to do so unless he gets a deal approved by the 19th of october. So while hostilities might officially be resumed, i mean, suspender, and that no one will be sitting in the chamber over the next few weeks, i think there will be a lot of strategising going on behind the scenes in the run up to parliament resuming in mid october. Exactly how does he expect to test that law, the law thats been granted royal assent that requests will force the Prime Minister to seek a delay if theres no deal agreed . That is an excellent question, and there are a number of theories doing the rounds. Kirdi for example alongside the letter that he is mandated to potentially send to the eu asking for an extension send another saying i dont mean that, thats not what this government wa nts thats not what this government wants could he, for example, alongside. Could he find a sympathetic eu country to veto the idea of an extension . Of course, it isnt just the uk idea of an extension . Of course, it isntjust the uk has to ask for one, the European Union has to agree. These are a couple of theories doing the rounds at the moment. Of course, its caused outrage amongst some mps who are determined to him carry out this law as he envisaged it, thats why youve heard the talk of last minute Court Battles running some time between the 19th of october up until the 31st of october. Were not there yet, but we do know a number of mps are lining up a legal team just in case that happens. And, in the meantime, weve got that eu summit coming up on october the 17th. We heard borisjohnson saying hell go there and he wont delay brexit, something hes been talking about a lot, of course. But hes going to get. He will strive to getan going to get. He will strive to get an agreement in the national interest. Yeah, and, look, earliertoday downing street was saying brexit negotiations will continue. The sherpas, as theyre known, will be pppin9 sherpas, as theyre known, will be popping off to brussels to talk to their counterparts to try to negotiate some kind of deal and make some kind of progress. As weve been hearing in the last few days and weeks, theres plenty of mps opposed to this government who think there arent any genuinely gauche asians going on. Interesting to hearfrom borisjohnson, going on. Interesting to hearfrom Boris Johnson, and earlier going on. Interesting to hearfrom borisjohnson, and earlier he was in dublin with the irish taoiseach at leo varadkar, saying a failure would be state draft genuine negotiations. As ever the issue remains the Northern Ireland backstop, how to ensure the border between the republic of ireland and Northern Ireland remains free and flowing and it seems as of yet that issue very much unresolved. And that will continue to go on while parliament is prorogued. It must be incredibly frustrating for the politicians, though . Yes, Parliament Prorogued over the next five weeks and youve heard tonight a number of mps expressed their real anger that parliament is being prorogued. Some people will look at parliament and say, well, its incredibly fractious, theyre not getting on at all, its a minority government, what on earth are they going to achieve anyway even if they were sitting . But the opposing argument to that is that there is concern that by proroguing parliament, the government, perhaps, some argue, could exit position and leaving mps very little time to scrutinise the brexit position when they come back in october. Lets go back to parliament to hear mps scrutinise before the five week suspension. Lets go back to the house of commons in britain. To assure not only myself and my constituents that a government that does not listen to the so called Sovereign Parliament is therefore undermining. The honourable member should maybe macro 180 we minute. Ive told him once, i wont tell him again. Maybe hush a we minute. If they will not implement the law of they will not implement the law of the United Kingdom of great britain. Of great written and Northern Ireland. Ask sasha about it what is open to you, ms, and the house, to make sure that they do . Im grateful to the honourable gentleman. At this stage its a hypothetical question because one would need to look at the specifics but what i would say to the honourable gentleman is if theres a dispute about what a law means, or what compliance with it looks like, thatis what compliance with it looks like, that is ultimately justiciable, what compliance with it looks like, that is ultimatelyjusticiable, and therefore it is to be expected that it is the subject of a court ruling. These are not uncommon matters, so it would be a very high profile situation in the circumstances with which were dealing. But it does seem to me that members should reflect upon these matters and think about these options and the attitude of their colleagues in the cool light of day. Its not necessarily best achieved by a furious focus at 12 51am. Kirsty blackman. Speaker, during the course of this process, the european statutory implements sifting committee was set up to sift those Statutory Instruments in the event of brexit Statutory Instruments. The government brought forward a number of these no deal sis forward a number of these no deal 51s to prepare the uk for a no deal brexit. They have sifted 240 of the Statutory Instruments that have come forward as negative instruments, 580 in total. I discovered today that the government intends to bring forward ten of these Prime Minister<\/a>, again rolling out seeking an extension from the eu, saying that he did not want a snap poll, but accepting that it was the only way to break that deadlock. The Prime Minister<\/a> also accusing the opposition parties of, in his words, conniving to delay brexit, saying that they were showing preposterous cowardice. Let us go back. We listen to the speaker now. Order the ayes to the right, 293, the noes to the left, 246. The ayes to the right, 293, the noes to the left, 46. The ayes have it. By way of explanation, for those who observe oui explanation, for those who observe our proceedings and the nods suggest they are well ahead of me, joe would expect, the majority does not satisfy the requirements of the fixed term is parliament at for the election that some speak. Im simply the messenger and i have reported the messenger and i have reported the facts. And im glad that the matter is of interest to those who are looking upstairs and thank you very much indeed. Order. Point of order, the Prime Minister<\/a>. Unlock. The Prime Minister<\/a>. I earlier urge the house to trust the people, but once again the opposition think they know better urged. They want the british Prime Minister<\/a> to go to a vital negotiation without the power to walk away. They want to delay brexit, yet again, yet again, without further reference to those who voted for it, handing over to brussels an extra \u00a3200 a week for no purpose. Enough to upgrade more than five hospitals or train 5000 new nurses. And most egregiously of all, not only have they refused to choose the way ahead, they have now, twice, denied the british people there say in an election. The house cannot choose. It will not let anyone else choose, mr speaker. It resolves only to be irresolute. Decides only to be undecided. Determined to do that adamant. So now the house will move to adjourn and resume the state opening on the queens speech on october the 14th. And i hope the opposition will move that time to reflect. Meanwhile, this government will press on with negotiating a deal. While preparing to leave without one. Unable go to that crucial summit in brussels on october 17 and no matter how many devices this parliament invents to tie my hands i will strive, mr speaker, to get an agreement in the national interest. This government will not delay brexit any further. We will not allow the emphatic verdict of the referendum to be slowly suffocated by further drift and paralysis. And while the opposition run from the duty to a nswer to opposition run from the duty to answer to those who put us here, they cannot hide forever the moment will come. The moment will come when the people will finally get their chance to deliver their verdict, mr speaker, on how faithfully this house executed their wishes. And they determined that they will see that it was this government that was on their side and i am determined. Cheering. Order Jeremy Corbyn<\/a> . Point order, mr speaker. Order Jeremy Corbyn<\/a> . Point order, mrspeaker. I order Jeremy Corbyn<\/a> . Point order, mr speaker. I think we have order Jeremy Corbyn<\/a> . Point order, mr speaker. Ithink we have had quite enough of the playground politics in parliament this evening a point of order. The one thing the Prime Minister<\/a> didnt say was he was going to obey the law of this country. He did not say he acknowledged or accepted frevo s that have ta ken acknowledged or accepted frevo s that have taken place in this parliament. And under his request, the house is now due, apparently, this evening to be prorogued for one of the longest prorogations in history, simply in order to avoid any questioning of what he is doing or not doing, simply to avoid discussion about yellowhammer, particularly to avoid any discussion about the proposals he has or hasnt or do or dont exist that have been put to the European Union<\/a>. Mr speaker, this government is a disgrace and the way the Prime Minister<\/a> operates is a disgrace. Order. Be quiet. Jeremy corbyn. Mr speaker, i hope the Prime Minister<\/a> will reflect on the issue of prorogation and shutting down parliament to avoid a government being held to account, because that is exactly what he has done today and proposes to do to this country. Point of order, ian blackford. Thank you, mr speaker. Ishould, perhaps, congratulate the Prime Minister<\/a>, because at least he has been consistent. He has lost every vote he has brought to this house. Ever since he became Prime Minister<\/a>. Perhaps thats the reason, mr speaker, that he is trying to shut down democracy this evening. The message that must go to the Prime Minister<\/a> is, well, he can run for the next few weeks, but we will back here in october. He is the Prime Minister<\/a> of a minority government and he has been given an instruction that he is to go to brussels and get an extension. Once that extension has been delivered, we will have an election and boris will be swept from government. The people of scotla nd from government. The people of scotland will get there say. And ill look forward to us securing our future as an independent Scottish Government<\/a> away from the clutches of a tory brexit britain, and isolationist britain taking us away from our partners and friends in the European Union<\/a>. Thank you. Sir edward daly, point of order. Thank you, mr speaker, this is a sad day, actually, for our democracy. We are seeing. We are seeing this parliament shutdown, mr speaker, because the Prime Minister<\/a> is running away from accountability and scrutiny. A Prime Minister<\/a> who said that he is not prepared to abide by the rule of law is running away from this parliament. I offer the Prime Minister<\/a> a way out. The liberal democrats offered the Prime Minister<\/a> a way out. Put into the people in a peoples vote. Yes, its called a general election. Thank you, point of order, rachael maskell. Thank you, mr speaker, iwonder of order, rachael maskell. Thank you, mr speaker, i wonder if you can advise me how they can put on record the views of my constituents. This evening i was due to present a petition to this house, forthcoming from my constituents who wish parliament not to be prorogued, due to the procedures, the voices of my constituents will be silenced this evening and the petition will not be placed. Could you advise me on the actions that i can now take . Well said there are two actions that can be taken. One is to speak on the four of the chamber, which is what the honourable abie lady hasjust done. The second course of action open to the honourable lady is to put the petition in the back. They have a feeling with the flatness of foot that is the action that the honourable lady will take flatness. She has found a means by which to express the concerns of her constituents. Point of order, roberts. 34 days during which all the checks and balances and gears of parliamentary democracy have been deliberately stalled. When the government teaches between avoiding and evading the law. This is neither normal nor honourable. We desperately need a new politics. A Citizens Convention<\/a> in every nation of truth and conciliation in an informed referendum, with article 50 revoked, if necessary, to allow this to happen. Now, i know revoked, if necessary, to allow this to happen. Now, i know i cant ask you to resolve this, in all honesty, but i think he time is fast approaching when you have to do exactly that. Thank you. Point of order. Thank you, mr speaker, the events of tonight have shown so clearly that our political system is broken. It is wrong that a Prime Minister<\/a> can suspend parliament as a mere inconvenience simply to avoid scrutiny. It is wrong that he can cynically try to use the proposal for a general election as a way of getting us to crush out of the eu while we are in the middle of a general election. We cannot continue with this un codified constitution that depends on people playing by the rules when we have a feral government that not only is not playing by the rules, but isnt even going to abide by the law. We urgently need a written constitution, a Citizens Convention<\/a> to inform it. No one voted for less democracy. We should design our constitutional settlement so that such a cynical power grab can never be allowed to happen again. Thank you. Point of order, luke graham. Thank you very much, mr speaker. Cheering. Youre watching the bbc news special. We are watching the debate in the house of commons following that those, a second vote asking the politicians to back a snap election, which was not achieved by the government because of that necessity to get two thirds majority. Not achieving at this time. Jessica parker, my political correspond monitoring all events for us. Jessica, let us start with the vote itself. 293 politicians voting in favour for a second election. Itself. 293 politicians voting in favourfor a second election. But way off that two thirds majority they need. Way of the majority they need. No surprise tonight. Opposition parties have made it abundantly clear that they were either going to abstain or vote against the motion. The 293, that is against the motion. The 293, that is a touch over what is now the numbers in terms of conservative mps, after the whip was removed from 2 of them last week. We have to see the breakdown of those votes and who voted how. We will get those names ina voted how. We will get those names in a short while. But borisjohnson, i think, theyre trying to suggest that mps have, by doing this, meant it means that people have been denied a right to have a say over the idea of a general election, because, they already rejected the idea of a general election last week. What really strikes me, listening to all the speeches that are going on in the house of commons tonight, is, gosh, it might be late and i, what time is, a quarter to one the morning, but it is not exactly a sleepy house of Commons Chamber<\/a> as things wrap up at the end of this parliamentary session. A lot of this parliamentary session. A lot of anger, a lot of energetic debate, if you were to put it diplomatically. This parliament has become quite a fractious place and thatis become quite a fractious place and that is in evidence here tonight. Lot of volatility regarding the prorogation of parliament, the suspension forfive prorogation of parliament, the suspension for five weeks coming up now. How does that work in terms of the logistics of the conversations that are happening now . When we see that are happening now . When we see that prorogation, jessica . The ceremony will happen after this debate wraps up tonight. Im told it ta kes debate wraps up tonight. Im told it takes 30 40 minutes to prepare for that ceremony. And after that parliament will be prorogued for five weeks. And if people are wondering what on earth happens during those five weeks, well, in this case, we will see Party Conference<\/a>s, so the parties will gather in various spots around the country, politicians will make big set pieces speeches to their party faithful, in some cases policy will be decided, but there will be an awful lot going on behind the scenes as well. This is not a normal Party Conference<\/a> season. As well. This is not a normal Party Conference<\/a> season. Mps are acutely conscious that when they come back on october 14 it will be a touch of two weeks to go before the 31st of october deadline. And as we have learned over the last week, for sure, a majority of mps are against a no deal brexit. So you have to think they will be making preparations to take borisjohnson because he was pretty clear tonight, wasnt he, he will not be seeking a delay to brexit, despite the fact that, arguably, although i think s law will be tested, hes going to be mandated to do so unless he gets a deal approved by the 19th of october. So while hostilities might officially be resumed, i mean, suspender, and that no one will be sitting in the chamber over the next few weeks, i think there will be a lot of strategising going on behind the scenes in the run up to parliament resuming in mid october. Exactly how does he expect to test that law, the law thats been granted royal assent that requests will force the Prime Minister<\/a> to seek a delay if theres no deal agreed . That is an excellent question, and there are a number of theories doing the rounds. Kirdi for example alongside the letter that he is mandated to potentially send to the eu asking for an extension send another saying i dont mean that, thats not what this government wa nts thats not what this government wants could he, for example, alongside. Could he find a sympathetic eu country to veto the idea of an extension . Of course, it isnt just the uk idea of an extension . Of course, it isntjust the uk has to ask for one, the European Union<\/a> has to agree. These are a couple of theories doing the rounds at the moment. Of course, its caused outrage amongst some mps who are determined to him carry out this law as he envisaged it, thats why youve heard the talk of last minute Court Battles<\/a> running some time between the 19th of october up until the 31st of october. Were not there yet, but we do know a number of mps are lining up a legal team just in case that happens. And, in the meantime, weve got that eu summit coming up on october the 17th. We heard borisjohnson saying hell go there and he wont delay brexit, something hes been talking about a lot, of course. But hes going to get. He will strive to getan going to get. He will strive to get an agreement in the national interest. Yeah, and, look, earliertoday downing street was saying brexit negotiations will continue. The sherpas, as theyre known, will be pppin9 sherpas, as theyre known, will be popping off to brussels to talk to their counterparts to try to negotiate some kind of deal and make some kind of progress. As weve been hearing in the last few days and weeks, theres plenty of mps opposed to this government who think there arent any genuinely gauche asians going on. Interesting to hearfrom borisjohnson, going on. Interesting to hearfrom Boris Johnson<\/a>, and earlier going on. Interesting to hearfrom borisjohnson, and earlier he was in dublin with the irish taoiseach at leo varadkar, saying a failure would be state draft genuine negotiations. As ever the issue remains the Northern Ireland<\/a> backstop, how to ensure the border between the republic of ireland and Northern Ireland<\/a> remains free and flowing and it seems as of yet that issue very much unresolved. And that will continue to go on while parliament is prorogued. It must be incredibly frustrating for the politicians, though . Yes, Parliament Prorogued<\/a> over the next five weeks and youve heard tonight a number of mps expressed their real anger that parliament is being prorogued. Some people will look at parliament and say, well, its incredibly fractious, theyre not getting on at all, its a minority government, what on earth are they going to achieve anyway even if they were sitting . But the opposing argument to that is that there is concern that by proroguing parliament, the government, perhaps, some argue, could exit position and leaving mps very little time to scrutinise the brexit position when they come back in october. Lets go back to parliament to hear mps scrutinise before the five week suspension. Lets go back to the house of commons in britain. To assure not only myself and my constituents that a government that does not listen to the so called Sovereign Parliament<\/a> is therefore undermining. The honourable member should maybe macro 180 we minute. Ive told him once, i wont tell him again. Maybe hush a we minute. If they will not implement the law of they will not implement the law of the United Kingdom<\/a> of great britain. Of great written and Northern Ireland<\/a>. Ask sasha about it what is open to you, ms, and the house, to make sure that they do . Im grateful to the honourable gentleman. At this stage its a hypothetical question because one would need to look at the specifics but what i would say to the honourable gentleman is if theres a dispute about what a law means, or what compliance with it looks like, thatis what compliance with it looks like, that is ultimately justiciable, what compliance with it looks like, that is ultimatelyjusticiable, and therefore it is to be expected that it is the subject of a court ruling. These are not uncommon matters, so it would be a very high profile situation in the circumstances with which were dealing. But it does seem to me that members should reflect upon these matters and think about these options and the attitude of their colleagues in the cool light of day. Its not necessarily best achieved by a furious focus at 12 51am. Kirsty blackman. Speaker, during the course of this process, the european statutory implements sifting committee was set up to sift those Statutory Instruments<\/a> in the event of brexit Statutory Instruments<\/a>. The government brought forward a number of these no deal sis forward a number of these no deal 51s to prepare the uk for a no deal brexit. They have sifted 240 of the Statutory Instruments<\/a> that have come forward as negative instruments, 580 in total. I discovered today that the government intends to bring forward ten of these Statutory Instruments<\/a> as made a affirmative Statutory Instruments<\/a> in order to ensure we are prepared for a no deal exit. Mr speaker, im a bit confused as to why the government didnt bring these forward in advance of the 29th of march if no deal brexit was supposed to happen on that date, 01 was supposed to happen on that date, or the second date no deal brexit was supposed to happen, or at any time before this prorogation happen so the eu committee could sift them so the eu committee could sift them so the eu committee could sift them so the house could have its say on whether or not these were appropriate Statutory Instruments<\/a> to go through. Is there any influence we can have given prorogation will happen and instruments can be made without the say so of the house . Happen and instruments can be made without the sayso of the house . Im not privy to the government thoughts on these matters. It would be open for a member of the executive branch to respond to the honourable lady, if he or she wished, but i did not detect a notable enthusiasm and are not aware looking at his body language that the leader of the house is about to uncoil, and if he we re house is about to uncoil, and if he were to do so know doubtless he would give a response but although its a matter of extreme importance to the honourable lady, its not something i can offer her help with now. I suggested she takes it up with the leader of the house, who ive always found, i must say, in every dealing, a most courteous and agreeable individual and im sure he will be more than content to discuss this matter with her either over a cup of english breakfast tea or conceivably something stronger. Point of order, doctor caroline johnson. Thank you, mr speaker. Mr speaker, earlier this week, the right honourable gentleman opposite said he would vote for a general election tonight if royal assent was passed, but today he said he will not because he wanted to prevent no deal. Can you confirm, mr speaker, that if an election had been held on the 15th of october, there would have been plenty of time had right honourable gentleman won the election to have prevented no deal . And in actualfact the election to have prevented no deal . And in actual fact there must be another reason for him to be running scared. I cant confirm anything of the sort. The expression plenty of time is an evaluative statement, its obviously a view she holds and she is entitled to it but i certainly cant confirm anything of the sort. Essentially the honourable lady is accusing the leader of the opposition of turgid asian. Its not a charge. Its a charge thats been levelled many times over the centuries. Nothing further required. Thats the charge that shes levelling tergiversation. It is not a fatal charge. Not a fatal charge. It has to be said. Studio lets to be said. Studio lets leave the house of commons. Weve been watching a live debate just after members of parliament voted once again to reject the government proposal for an early general election by 293 votes to 46. The government had needed the support of two thirds of mps, a minimum of 443 votes to succeed, but they did not get that. As it stands the uk will not have a snap general election. Hello. Weather wise, yesterday certainly wasnt the most shining of starts to the new week. It was cloudy, it was pretty wet for many of us and also it felt on the chilly side. Today we flip the coin. Its much drier, it should be much brighter and also consequently will also feel warmer. This area of low pressure is the area responsible for the wet weather yesterday, thats off into the continent. Today, we have a little ridge of High Pressure<\/a>. We start with quite a bit of cloud around, perhaps mist and fog, could be a problem for the early rush hour in the midlands but that will lift for sunshine in the afternoon. However, you dont need to look too closely to observe there is a significant change in Northern Ireland<\/a> by the end of the afternoon. This weather front is part of an area of low pressure that is actually ex hurricane dorian. Its nowhere near hurricane strength as it makes its way to the uk, lets be clear about that, but it will be a windy night as the low pressure goes across and weather fronts will go south, rain around, but mild into wednesday. Through wednesday day, the centre of the low stays to the north of the uk. The isobars stay closely packed together. Much of the rain will sweep away south eastwards. We should be left with quite a bit of sunshine into the second half of the day. But the strong westerly wind will feed quite a few showers into western scotland. The wind will be particularly gusty, so potentially even disruptive as gusts could touch up to 40 45mph for exposed areas to the north and west of the uk. Temperatures already starting to look healthier than they did at the start of the week. Were into the low 20s in the south east. Wednesday into thursday, we get another little area of low pressure running across us. This is ex Tropical Storm<\/a> gabrielle. Again basically quite a deep area of low pressure bringing some windy weather perhaps to the south and west in western exposures for a time. The biggest area is the tropical area it pulls up to the south of it on thursday. Potentially especially for the likes of wales and South West England<\/a> but look at the temperatures being bolstered as we pull in the warm, humid air from the south. That then sets us up for the remainder of the week and to take us into the weekend, with High Pressure<\/a> building from the south west. We feed the warmer air from the north into the uk, settling the weather down nicely. Friday into the weekend, dry weather around with pleasant spells of sunshine, and a return as well of some warmer weather. Welcome to newsday. Im kasia madera in london. The headlines the ice to the right, 293, the no to the left, 246. Ayes. Britains parliament defies Boris Johnson<\/a> again blocking his call for a snap general election. As myanmar steps up efforts to repatriate rohigya refugees, hundreds of thousands whove fled to bangladesh refuse to return. Im rico hizon in singapore. 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