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The former International Rugby star Gareth Thomas reveals he is hiv positive saying he wants to help reduce the stigma around the condition. Clashes have broken out in hong kong between police and protesters at the latest pro democracy rally in the territory. Tyson fury survives a brutal cut to remain undefeated. The british heavyweight beats otto wallin on points in las vegas. And, foreign correspondents based in the uk give their analysis on the latest developments in the Brexit Process in dateline london. Thats in half an hour on bbc news. The former Prime Minister David Cameron has accused borisjohnson of only backing brexit to further his career, in the latest released extracts from his memoirs. Mr cameron also criticises michael gove, who he brands as disloyal. He says that during the referendum campaign, both mrjohnson and mr gove became ambassadors for the expert trashing, truth twisting age of populism. Our Political Correspondent peter saull is with me now. This is pretty strong. There was mild criticism yesterday but he really goes for the jugular today. David cameron has been pretty much silent since resigning rather acrimoniously the morning after the Eu Referendum, and this book which i dare say will be on a lot of politics watchers christmas lists and a couple of months time were getting the first extracts from it now in the sunday times. Some of the key q u otes. Now in the sunday times. Some of the key quotes. He talks about trying to persuade borisjohnson to back remain during the Eu Referendum but he says he came to the conclusion that Boris Johnson he says he came to the conclusion that borisjohnson risked an outcome he didnt believe in because it would help his political career. A lot of people have suggested in the past that Boris Johnsons motivations for brexit perhaps are not as strong as he might suggest now. That is certainly the feeling of David Cameron, anyway. While he is disappointed with borisjohnson, he seems angry with michael gove, according to the extracts. He saw michael gove has a close friend and felt perhaps betrayed by him coming out to campaign the way he did during the referendum. He said in this extract. This is in particular reference to some of the more dubious claims, as David Cameron saw them during the referendum, that the uk would be swamped with migrants from turkey, a country that is yet to join and distill to the european union. He goes on in these extracts. Certainly not mincing his words. He says the person he was most shocked by was the then employment minister and now home secretary priti patel. She has been addressing some of those allegations this morning on the andrew marr programme. I was a minister in David Camerons government and it was a privilege to serve in that government and i enjoyed working with him. And many of my colleagues. The referendum has happened, we have all moved on and we are now working to deliver that referendum mandate. That is so important, there is no point going over the past. He says you left the truth at home during that campaign, it is a very serious thing to say. If we talk about the issues we are now speaking about in terms of delivering brexit, many of those issues went to the heart of the vote to leave in 2016. Whether it was taking back control of our borders, our laws, our money, those issues are still prevalent to the debates and discussion today. I suppose its a mark of how the politics have changed, priti patel, then employment minister, now home secretary, one of the four top jobs in government. This is a government that will stand or fall on the honouring of its big promise to get britain out of the eu before october 31, deal or no deal. That now seems to be increasing the pressure on them to come up with a deal. Boris johnson maintains do or die the country will leave the eu on 31st october. One way to do that is to leave with a deal that can be passed through the houses of parliament. The other is to potential leave with a no deal brexit but parliament has now passed legislation meaning if he doesnt have a deal in place by 19th october he has to go back to brussels to ask for more time. There are potential ways around this, downing street believes, and we could see some serious shenanigans towards the end of october when parliament returns from its prorogation, its suspension, that very controversial thing the Prime Minister has done. For the meantime they will carry on with talks with they will carry on with talks with the european union, tomorrow Boris Johnson will have his first face meeting since becoming Prime Minister with European Commission president jean Claude Juncker. A lot of cabinet ministers are talking about a landing zone coming into view. But the view on this side of the channel is more positive than on the channel is more positive than on the other, but there is talk of a solution coming forward to potentially deal with the very thorny issue of the Northern Irish backstop, the insurance policy to avoid a return to border checks on the island of ireland. Apparently oui the island of ireland. Apparently our government is looking at a solution that would only apply to the island of ireland and not to the rest of the uk, a major obstacle in getting that through would be the democratic unionists. It will be interesting to see whatjean Claude Juncker has to say when he and Boris Johnson meet in mrjunckers home patch of luxembourg, where he was himself Prime Minister in the past. Joining me now is the labour activist will straw, who was the executive director of the britain stronger in campaign. Good morning and thank you for being with us. The most obvious place to start is with the liberal democrats today. They are promoting this policy that they hope will get through their conference that would effectively abandon their previous commitment to a further referendum on the brexit arrangements and opening up the possibility of people voting to remain in after all, and instead opting for a position of revoking article 50. What do you make of that shift . I think what the referendum showed three years ago and what we have seen since is the country is deeply divided. On the one hand you have a government that is pursuing a form of brexit that was never really discussed during the referendum, and on the other you have a party now saying they want to cancel the whole thing. I think on both sides thats quite dangerous. Having been through a referendum, i am no great fan of them, but i think we have to now resolve this through another referendum that would take whatever leave option comes back from brussels against remain and seek to resolve it that way rather than try to ram through an outcome that doesnt have the consent of the british people. It is very timely, the publication of David Camerons men was because it brings us back to where the debate started in terms of the campaign for the referendum and his criticism of the operation is pretty deep. David camerons memoirs. He is also scathing about Jeremy Corbyn, saying he made some unconvincing speeches on remain and then went off on holiday, and it implied he wasnt committed to the cause and he was a long standing sceptic in the labour party. But the tories are having a major issue because they are in government. What do you think of what David Cameron has to say . The tone of it is actually pretty critical of his former colleagues. Absolutely, and he is right to be. Michael gove and borisjohnson, particularly michael gove, seen as serious politicians, and during the campaign they wrapped themselves up in lies and mystery and havent really stopped. David cameron is talking about the lies related to 350 million on the bus or about turkeyjoining related to 350 million on the bus or about turkey joining the related to 350 million on the bus or about turkeyjoining the eu. Recently Boris Johnson about turkeyjoining the eu. Recently borisjohnson has carried this on. These are allegations. The Scottish Court said it wasnt convinced by the reasons that had been presented to the court, we are not sure of what exactly he said to the queen. The Supreme Court will rule on that this week so we should probably leave that aside for now. But a lot of things said in the campaign were true and they were criticisms of the way the eu operated at the time, and on issues where, for example, immigration, a policy of Free Movement, that exists asa policy of Free Movement, that exists as a policy that we had signed up to, and that was a reason why some people who voted leave apparently wa nted people who voted leave apparently wanted to get out. But Free Movement did mean brits could work and study abroad. People from the eu living in this country were told their rights would be defended but many are now having the right to citizenship turned down. Free movement is part of the package of being in the eu meaning we also have free trade, which is now under threat from no deal. You can return to those debates. I think the important thing now, moving forward, what Boris Johnson is setting out is a very dangerous path for the uk and his government have been very misleading and what the risks of no deal were. When the sunday times got the league a few weeks ago they said it was an old document and now they have been forced to publish it and we can see what the awful impact would be on medical supplies, delays at the border, the impact on supermarkets. This is a very serious path we are heading towards and i think thats why it is important we return back to the british people and ask, is this what you want it when you voted to leave, or having now learnt about what leave means and having seen how difficult it is, and having had the mistruths and uncovered over the last three years, would you actually prefer last three years, would you actually p refer to last three years, would you actually prefer to remain in the eu. I hope very much that will happen and will have an outcome to stay in the eu and put this crisis behind us. What you make of a report in the sunday mirror today then that suggests labour might be looking at a situation where it forces Boris Johnson, or tries to force him out through a vote of no confidence and if it succeeds it makes the case for a minority Labour Government to push through another referendum and then after that have a general election. Soa after that have a general election. So a general election delayed by six months. I do think there is a lot of sense in that. The problem with a general election is we could end up with another Hung Parliament and no real means of resolving this issue. General elections are supposed to be across a range of issues as well. At the moment the only issue in british politics is brexit. I think having a referendum, which i suspect would enjoy the support of a majority of mps now. Everyday have a new conservative mp coming out in support of it. The labour party, the snp, the lib dems and the greens are behind it. There is a majority in parliament for it. Although i am no great fan of referendums, we would be taking a path that would help to resolve this issue as quickly as possible and then we could get on, the government of the day could get on with governing the country and the rest of us could get on with our lives. Wanted to be difficult to convince the public that they should have a Prime Minister and government ofa have a Prime Minister and government of a Different Party for six months without there having been any kind of election to get that to situation . Wont it be difficult . We just have had a unelected situation . Wont it be difficult . Wejust have had a unelected Prime Minister. That does happen, when you change leaders of parties. It happened with gordon brown the. We have mps acting in the party interest, not the national interest, and they are acting as a small sect of what was a National Party so i think they are rapidly losing their legitimacy to govern and taking us ona legitimacy to govern and taking us on a very dangerous course legitimacy to govern and taking us on a very dangerous course out legitimacy to govern and taking us on a very dangerous course out of the eu. I think we have to look for extraordinary measures, and that could well be having Jeremy Corbyn asa could well be having Jeremy Corbyn as a temporary Prime Minister supported by the other parties to get a brexit referendum through and then hold a general election once that has been resolved. I think that is now looking like the most sensible and perhaps most likely option for what has been a nightmare over the last three and a half yea rs. Over the last three and a half years. And surely a few more months to go yet thank you very much. The liberal democrat leaderjo swinson has reitterated her belief that there is no good brexit deal. She was speaking to the bbc as delegates at the partys annual conference in bournemouth prepare to consider a motion to revoke article 50 if the lib dems win a general election. Lets go live to our Political Correspondent Jonathan Blake whos at the conference. by by the seaside, jonathan. Good morning. It has been hard for people to keep across all the different elements on brexit but now parties are changing their policies on brexit, arguably all three of the uk wide party is shifting from where they were at the start of this year on this all important question. And now the lib dems, who we thought we re now the lib dems, who we thought were solidly behind the idea of a further referendum, because they think the result would be different from the one in 2016, they seem to be giving up on the idea. Can you explain that . They are not quite giving up on the idea of a second referendum, but as you say, that has until this point been the lib dems policy. We know they want to stop brexit. The question up for discussion in bournemouth is how. While the party say they are still in favour of holding a second referendum in the hope of overturning the one from 2016, they wa nt to overturning the one from 2016, they want to go further and leaderjo swinson is arguing that in a general Election Campaign the lib dems should have a policy of, if they we re should have a policy of, if they were to win a majority and get into government, they would revoke article 50 and cancel brexit without holding another public vote. The justification for that is that if people are voting for the lib dems on that basis then day as a government would have a mandate to do that. Jo swinson set out the policy this morning in an interview with andrew marr. The policy that we are debating at Conference Today is very clear if the liberal democrats at the next election win a majority, if people put into government as a majority government the stop brexit party then stopping brexit is exactly what people will get. Yes, we will revoke article 50. A clear message from the liberal democrats, thats about as far as they can go in hardening their position as an anti brexit party. Jo swinson says they should be unequivocal in their message. It will likely go down very well with the Party Faithful here in bournemouth this weekend, who are in good spirits after the defection of conservative mp sam gyimah last night but its not without risk because there will be those who say that for a party with the word democrat in its name, overturning the result of a referendum without holding another referendum isnt necessarily the most democratic thing to do. Although the Eye Committee gets that from jo swinson and others would likely be that they had won a mandate on the basis of their policy to revoke article 50. And with this shift in policy, even though the overall aim is the same of stopping brexit, it might risk confusing voters in a general Election Campaign in terms of knowing exactly what they were voting for. But Party Members will vote on adopting that policy later this morning. Unlike the other main parties, the members who come here from all over the country for their conference from all over the country for their co nfe re nce every from all over the country for their conference every year do actually have a say in what policies are adopted and which ones are not. It will be interesting to see the debate in the hall in an hour or sos time and the results of that vote later. Thank you to Jonathan Blake in bournemouth. We will talk to you later. Just to say, jo swinson is taking questions and a nswe rs swinson is taking questions and answers from Party Members and we will have that live on the bbc news channel from around ten past 2pm. The headlines on bbc news. David cameron accuses borisjohnson of only backing leave in order to further his own political career. The liberal democrat leader jo swinson reiterates her belief that there is no good brexit deal as Party Members consider a conference motion to revoke article 50 if the lib dems win a general election. Iran dismisses acc