Transcripts For BBCNEWS BBC News At Five 20240714 : vimarsan

Transcripts For BBCNEWS BBC News At Five 20240714

This Prime Minister, to talk about morals and morality is a disgrace that was earlier. Heres the scene live in the house of commons, and we are expecting it to philip shortly because the Prime Minister is due to give a statement within an hour. Philip shortly. Stay with us for the latest from westminster and the other stories on bbc news at five. The white house releases details of the phone call between donald trump and the ukrainian president , as democrats launch an impeachment inquiry. And the government announces it will run a shadow airline to repatriate more than 100,000 passengers stranded after the collapse of thomas cook. Its 5pm. Our main story is that parliament is back at work after the recent suspension was declared unlawful by the Supreme Court yesterday. The Prime Minister is due to address the house of commons very shortly to give his response to the ruling by the highest court in the land, and to face questions from mps on his latest plans. He will inevitably face more demands to resign, but ministers have been insisting that while they respect the justices of the Supreme Court, they disagree strongly with their ruling. The attorney general geoffrey cox has already faced a wave of criticism from mps over his role in the original decision to suspend parliament. 0ur Political Correspondent chris mason has the latest. Jet lagged courtesy of a night over the atlantic, winded courtesy of the Supreme Court. Are you going to apologise to the queen, Prime Minister . The Prime Ministers back in the country and mps are back in here too. Colleagues, welcome back to our place of work. And straight away, a question from one of the central protagonists in Getting Parliament going again. Urgent question, joanna cherry. To ask the attorney general if he will make a statement about his legal opinion on the advice given to her majesty the queen to Prorogue Parliament . The attorney general, the governments main Legal Adviser said. The government accepts the judgment and accepts that it lost the case and, at all times, the government acted in good faith and in the belief that. And in the belief that its approach was both lawful and constitutional. But, he added. This parliament is a dead parliament. It should no longer sit. It has no moral right to sit on these green benches. Why . Because. Theyre too cowardly cheering this parliament should have the courage to face the electorate. But it wont. It wont, because so many of them are really all about preventing us leaving the European Union at all. In response, take a look at this. No shame today, no shame at all. The fact that this government cynically manipulated the prorogation to shut down this house so that it couldnt work as a democratic assembly. He knows that that is the truth and, to come here with his barristers bluster, to obfuscate the truth, and, fora man like him, a party like this and a leader like this, this Prime Minister to talk about morals and morality is a disgrace the opposition parties are gathering to discuss tactics and demand the Prime Minister says sorry to the queen. I think he should apologise, both to her for the advice he gave her but, more importantly, apologise to the british people for what hes done in trying to shut down our democracy at a very crucial time when people are very, very worried about what will happen on the 31st october. Making sure there isnt a no deal brexit at the end of next month remains their priority and arguing. We have a Prime Minister who has abused our democracy, who has been found guilty of breaking the law, unlawfully proroguing parliament. Anna soubry. This place is feeling sparky and today is only just getting going. The Prime Minister will be here later. Chris mason, bbc news, at westminster. Lets cross over to the houses of parliament and our chief Political Correspondent vicki young. Vicki, lets talk about what is coming up, because we expect the Prime Minister to be addressing the house. When can we expected that . And what do you expect the message to be based on whats been so far . We are working away through these various statements. Theyre still going on now talking about no deal planning, and the nephi minister, so we think we are looking at about 6 30pm and then the Prime Minister. We note the speaker in the past, knowing mps have lots of things to ask if i minister, could let it go on for hours. If we can look at what geoffrey cox was saying earlier, the way he was going out fighting there, i think we are good have something similar. I cannot imagine borisjohnson have something similar. I cannot imagine Boris Johnson come have something similar. I cannot imagine borisjohnson come here and apologising for anything. Instead, it sounds of ministers are trained to goad the opposition into calling a general election. Belgian parties are not willing to the opposition parties. We could end up leaving without a deal at the end of 0ctober, so their priority is to get no deal off the table first, but the response from the government is to say, Jeremy Corbyn, you called for an election, now youre blocking it. You said you would honour the referendum result but your turn to block brexit as well. It is really about positioning because no one can see any way out of this. Incredibly difficult to see how we move on. We have come back, and peas are still saying the same thing they were saying the same thing they were saying three weeks ago and it hasnt been much progress. Unless Boris Johnson to get a deal. Just a thought bear, vicki, before bring in lord heseltine, just a thought on the kind of mood in the comments given what in the commons given the magnitude of what happened yesterday, how will he deal what will inevitably be a wave of demands for him to step down given what happened . It will be the same as given already, that they accept the judgement that at the time he acted to advise the queen, he had been told by his most senior government lawyer, geoffrey cox, that it was perfectly lawful. That will be their argument. The other thing it will try to do to move this on is maybe an ounce they will bring for the government a one line bill calling for a general election and set the date in law. They are hoping to wrong for the opposition and say that well give you the date and it will be before the end of october, therefore no problem with crashing out without a deal, again try to say that the opposition, they are cowards, as geoffrey cox put it earlier and they are just not willing to go to the people and let the people decide on all of this in a general election. We could well get that bill even possibly table tonight and voted on tomorrow. No one think its going to go through, but i think that is what the government will keep doing, keep pushing for all of that, and theres the small matter of the conservative Party Conference due to start this weekend. It looks like mps will not allow that to happen, allow tory mps to go and attend that, but i think it will go along anyway. Vicki, many thanks once again. Vicki young in the central lobby of the houses of parliament. The fomer conservative deputy Prime Minister lord heseltine is with me. Thanks forjoining us. Where do we stand today given what happened yesterday . I think boriss strategy is to continue with the Election Campaign that he began when he became part minister, had down. I would be very surprised if yesterdays decision changed anything in that. I think the robust approach of the attorney in the commons to date indicates that, and i think the briefing from senior ministers strongly disagreeing with thejudicial ministers strongly disagreeing with the judicial opinion indicates that they have dug in, retrenched and will continue the electioneering charge, trying to mix up police, law and order, education, with brexit. Given your experience here and your knowledge of previous administrations and Prime Ministers going back many years, can you imagine that any other part minister being delivered the kind of ruling that was done yesterday in the Supreme Court and not considering their position . No. If the conservatives were in opposition, they would be waving the law and orderflag from the they would be waving the law and order flag from the top of big ben. So thats whats changed . A lot has changed in the political climate. That has changed but that has not changed anything. The fact is, brexit is still not done, there is no majority in the house of commons, there is. It is very difficult to see how an election would take place and if it does, this is the sophistication people cannot live with, that uncertainty represents the countrys view, there is no brexit certainty anywhere. There is division in every part of the country, every family, every company, and so parliament reflects that. There is no agreement. We keep being told the Prime Minister will attend the eu summit on the 17th of 0ctober attend the eu summit on the 17th of october and that he is working, he says, to get some kind of new deal. The noises from brussels are different, it has to be said. Do you think its credible and you think he really is working to get a deal . |j think really is working to get a deal . think that he is working above all else to get brexit off the agenda. He dont care much whether deal or no deal, although parliament has now closed down that option, because the real problem for him is the brexit party. And what he needs to do, if he is going to fight an election, is give them off the stage so that he can say to the brexit voters, i did it come back to me. Thats the strategy, and nothing else is allowed to get in the way of that. Sorry, if nothing else is allowed to get in the way of that, how does he achieve the exit on the 31st of 0ctober come what may do or die, as he said . What is his route to that . He can only see one route that he can pursue, because it is very unlikely theresa mays deal will be resurrected. Even if it was, there is no grounds for thinking you would get through, so boris is always, since he became Prime Minister, had his eye firmly on the electorate. Hes got to persuade them he did his best, come what may. He is making mistakes, because hes been driven by people who frankly dont have the sophistication to understand how that place works in number ten. Very dodgy characters there. Thats a very damning assessment. And given you just said that, im going to ask a direct question. Do you think the Prime Ministers situation is tenable given what happened yesterday . It must be hanging by a thread. All of us, you and i have these conversations all around here, and none of us could have plotted the way it was going to unfold. Within an hour, the Prime Minister will have made a new speech. Addiction is a very interest business in this game but in any precedents, i pray ministers lost control of the house prediction isa control of the house prediction is a very. My guess is there would be no overall control coming out of that election. We will see shortly what the Prime Minister says, but grateful to you once again for coming on. Lord heseltine with us, with his many years as deputy part minister, and our thanks for him. Deputy Prime Minister. So what are voters making of the latest developments at westminster . Were going to hear from two different places. First, glasgow, which voted firmly to remain in the European Union in 2016. 0ur scotland correspondent james shaw has been speaking to people in the city centre. It was a Scottish Court which first said the Prime Ministers suspension of parliament was unlawful, and Scottish Government ministers are now calling for him to go. But what do voters here in glasgow think . I keep my politics quite private, to be honest. I dont think having parliament down for five weeks when everythings happenings a good idea because it stymied the debate and it shortens the time that weve got to get a deal. I think it does make a difference because so many people are upset about the decision up here. So, i think people feel theyve been heard and thats the important part that it doesnt feel like politicians get to do whatever they want. Legally, i dont know, its probably correct, but ijust think its another setback to brexit. We have to leave and if it means leaving with a deal and actually starting to build things from that point of view, lets do it, because they are getting nowhere fast doing it this way. And the papers in scotland take a distinctive line, both the scotsman and the herald using that headline unlawful to describe the Prime Ministers behaviour and even the scottish edition of the sun has a different headline from the newspaper elsewhere in the country. Its a lot for lunchtime customers at this city centre cafe to chew on. Its a bit embarrassing, isnt it . Its a bit of a shambles, yeah. I dont think you can have a Prime Minister who has broken the law. But its pretty clear, at this point, the Prime Minister has no intention of standing down. The question which cant easily be answered is whether all this makes Scottish Independence more or less likely. James shaw, bbc news, glasgow. There you have a Cross Section of views in glasgow. Meanwhile, the people of stafford, who voted to leave the eu, have been talking to our correspondent robert hall. 150 miles from the clamour of westminster, easier listening for shoppers at stafford street market, but residents of this ancient county town are not in harmony when it comes to the brexit countdown and the events of the past 2a hours. So, what do you think should happen now . I think borisjohnson should take the bull by the horns and come out of europe. Thats what the people voted for, its taken them three years and its ridiculous. He should resign. Why do you feel so strongly about that . Because hes inept. Its an embarrassment to the uk. He may say that he respects the decision thats been made by the judges, but he clearly doesnt because he is still defending his actions. Hes not fighting against the people that voted to remain, hes fighting against the politicians who actually didnt want it as well. How realistic is it he said he would rather die in a ditch than not leave on the 31st october . Well, if i find him in a ditch, ill bury him its such a mess at the moment, isnt it, everything . Do you think its realistic we will leave the eu as we are due to do on the 31st october . I personally dont feel that. No, idont, no. Ijust dont feel that. I mean, i hope there is a turnaround and a resolution to everything, but i dont feel that there will be. As a country, we need to go one way or the other. Yes, id like it to and then we can get out of europe and stand on our own two feet. Theres wishing and believing it will happen, what do you think . I dont think we will. 56 of voters here opted to leave the eu. Three years on, frustration and uncertainty are all too apparent. Robert hall, bbc news, stafford. Robert there chatting to some people in stafford today, and earlier we heard from people with different views in glasgow. The Shadow Cabinet Office minister, laboursjon trickett, is with me. Thanks forjoining us. Where do we stand today . The house is back. I felt there was no appearance of shame or regret, no humility, from the minister speaking, and you would have thought, they might come and say its a fair cop, we got it wrong, but instead they have doubled down and basically i think its shameful they have gone on like this. Its very disturbing and parliament should be sitting because there were serious questions to answer. If they double down, as usa they appear to be doing, what can you do about it as you say they appeared to be doing . The public and the nation need to be asking. A no deal, we college upping off a why are they talking to the trip about possibly policing the streets . What is going to happen with food prices which look like theyre going to go up . These are, none of these are my words. They are all words from the government. That is our first step. We will be moving into an action exley. In addition to that, 150,000 people abroad with thomas cook, we need to find out what is going on there. The house needs to be sitting. We need the government to answer questions. You are back at work and this questions cannot start to be answered, and as you say, Parliament Three business is back in action those questions can now start to be answered. The government, bringing forward a simple one line bill calling for a general election. What is labours view . We want a general election, as soon as possible, but we dont want a Prime Minister. We want to see this nailed down properly. 0ur objective is to get you an election but make sure in the meantime we dont civilly crash out with all the awful consequences which might follow, and we will have an election. I imagine it will be fairly soon, but lets just do this ina clear, fairly soon, but lets just do this in a clear, clever, if you like, order. In order to help viewers, do you foresee in election before the sist you foresee in election before the 31st october or not . Lets see what happens in the house. My view is not to make decisions like a bull in the china shop, like borisjohnson at the moment. He is like a bull in the nation shall, just crashing around. We wa nts nation shall, just crashing around. We wants an election. It needs

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