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BBCNEWS Beyond 100 Days July 13, 2024

Programme, labour vowed to transform britain if they win at the election, Jeremy Corbyn says that his party is ma nifesto Jeremy Corbyn says that his party is manifesto is the most radical in a vicious plan for the country in a decade. The seven metres that your baby unveiled in mexico with an uncanny resemblance to a 1980s legend. Can you guess it . 7 welcome, im Michelle Fleury Michelle Fleury in london, Matthew Price are not london. To career diplomats offer two different perspectives on policy in ukraine. For weeks, republicans oppose the idea that donald trump was deeply concerned about corruption in ukraine, but in his testimony, david holmes, a us diplomat based in kiev, challenge that nation as he accounted a loud conversation between the president and ambassador sondland, which suggested out the president s real ambition was to get president s real ambition was to get president zelensky to investigate the bidens. In particular, i asked if it was true that the president did not give an expert of about ukraine. Ambassador sondland confirmed that. I asked, why not. Ambassador sondland said at the president only cared about big stuff. I noted that there was big stuff. I noted that there was big stuff going on in ukraine, like a war with russia. Ambassador sondland med tactics that benefited the president , like the abiding investigation that giuliani was pushing to stop the daughter of a coal miner from County Durham who how coal miner from County Durham who now has dual citizenship through marriage was the other patient in the hot seat at the inquiry. Fiona hill served as trump, top adviser before she left this summer. With her testimony, she chastised lawmakers for sowing doubt on Russian Election interference. Some of you on this committee appear to believe that russia and savers do not conduct a campaign against our country. Is that perhaps, somehow, for some reason ukraine date. This isa for some reason ukraine date. This is a fictional narrative perpetrated and propagated by the Russian Security services themselves. Thats here from chris buckler, norfolk mid can correspond it. Chris, starting with fiona hill, talk us through what was the key points you took from her testimony. I think what has come across in both of these witnesses isjust the come across in both of these witnesses is just the frustration felt by us diplomats and officials about the way that some in the comp administration were pursuing their owfi administration were pursuing their own policies. That came across time and time again, what you had fiona hill speaking about her concerns that there were other people inside the whole conversation with ukraine. For example, rudy giuliani, Donald Trumps personal lawyers, and Gordon Sondland trying to establish relationships with members in saudi ukrainian government, trying to have conversations that i did not involve them. At times, there was that deep frustration. If you take a listen to this club, if youre hill was clear they were pursuing a different agenda. Fiona hill. They were pursuing a different agenda. Fiona hill. Because he was being involved in a domestic political airing, and we would have been involved in National Security foreign policy, and those two things had just diverged. There was also a lot of focus on what david holmes had to say, he kind of filled out this idea of whether the president was truly focused on corruption in ukraine or whether he was more interested in this investigation into the bidens . Of course, that was this domestic political airing may shouldnt. This idea that you have diplomats and officials involved in the business of trying to secure relationships with ukraine, trying to ensure that Good Relationship between ukraine and america were maintained. Those intros were looked upon, as opposed to others who were involved in the administration, who are trying to pursue political interest for a President Trump, trying to get this investigation into his political rivals, including joe biden and his son hunter, who had business dealings in the country. When you listen to fiona hill, she was frustrated with this idea that some conspiracy theories we re idea that some conspiracy theories were being pushed, for example, she said, time and time again speaking directly to some members of the congressional committee, that they had been fishing ideas of perhaps ukraine being involved in election meddling in 2016, ratherthan russia. She said that was a fictional narrative that essentially needed to stop. That was a message to republicans on President Trump. Certainly, with david holmes, there we re certainly, with david holmes, there were moments when he talked in real detail and colour about conversations with ambassador sondland, particularly that moment when the phone call came from President Trump to ambassador sondland, which he over here to sitting beside him. Ithink it sondland, which he over here to sitting beside him. I think it came across much more evocatively on the television, this idea that any person you had some that they are talking about what was being said, and then afterwards, describing ambassador sondland that President Trump was only interested in the big stuff. By that, he did not mean ukraine and what was happening with russia, instead, he regarded the big stuff as being an investigation into the bidens and those domestic political interest. You have to say that a lot of this testimony has really helped the democratic suggestion that there were impeachable offences, but the republicans in question of them, and they are really pushing back. Donald trump has been tweeting today, questioning how it is possible to have such a good hearing, to be able to listen and overhear a conversation. Among the key figures who have emerge in the hearings is nancy pelosi, speaker of the house. Her announcement that had inquiry will take place set in place the hearings we are now witnessing the stop she has frequently sparred with the president. A few people knew madam speaker are better than her daughter, she is chair of the caucus of the Californian Democratic Party and also the offer of a new book, the nancy pelosi wife is that she joins us now from san francisco. Can we start by playing a moment between your mother and President Trump right after the midterms when the democrats had won back control, this is what happened. We are going to have a good discussion, and we will see what happens. Mr president , please dont characterise the strength that i bring to this meeting as the leader of the house democrats. What is that moment tell us democrats. What is that moment tell us about your mother . What that tells us about nancy pelosi is that she does not suffer fools gladly, she does not suffer fools gladly, she knows how to power, and she knows that she is there in the white house, not as an individual, but as the leader of a coequal branch of the leader of a coequal branch of the United States government, the congress of the United States, and she will not be tucked over, insulted by donald trump or any president , republican or democratic. Im interested to know how she deals with the pressure, she gets an offer little pushback, nudges from the president , but from his supporters, a lot of glum, well, it is fair to say, hate her, dont they . How should you flat . One of the things i write about in the book as her advice to others, which is to remember that criticism and effectiveness go hand in hand, so you cannot let yourself absorb all the criticism or praise. What you need to do instead is focus on your call to service, your purpose, you need to get out there and help people. The only way to do that is when an election, and up by about being attacked, you can win by caring about the ideas health care, public education, integrity and that is exactly what she set out today. Anytime you come help with a complaint, you wont believe the things that you are saying about you on twitter, she will say to us, dont agonise, organise. We cant complain about being insulted, or we can get out there and organise people in a positive way. I do not know how she does it, honestly, but i try to explain it some in the book. She religious keeps on task and purpose and insist that all of us and purpose and insist that all of us who supported do the same. To that point, always fighting, i want to play you another clip if you think a woman cannot keep tom, nancy pelosi does it every single day. Think a woman cannot keep tom, nancy pelosi does it every single daylj love that not everyone, even in her own party, is on the board. There is not well publicised ofjudah she has had with the squad. Listen, if we all agreed with each other, only one person would have to go to congress, and then we would have a 100 k. Perhaps that is not a suggestion they should be making right now given what is happening over there. The Democratic Party is a very big family. The only things i talk about in the book is how my parents raised five kids in six years from diapers to degrees with a lot of discipline, a lot of love, a lot of multitasking and a lot of humour, and have the ability to make everyday a new day. You have to be able to fight and disagree, but also, come together as a family. I went, is still the Democratic Party, we are a raucous thatis Democratic Party, we are a raucous that isjust the Democratic Party, we are a raucous that is just the way it Democratic Party, we are a raucous that isjust the way it is. We have to celebrate our strength at being different from each other. As she always says, our diversity is our strength, our unity as our power. But it is that ever considered a wea kness but it is that ever considered a weakness when you are looking at an Election Year . It isnt because you are talking about bringing in a large group of people, 17 million doubts that she will need to win, for example, in 2020. They come from people across the spectrum geography, age, gender identity, race, creed, class, disability all of it. You have to be able to bring everybody together, and what nancy policy because the kaleidoscope of politics is not the three of us might agree on everything, we might agree on some things, the two women might agree on things that the amount doesnt, etc. That is ok, as long as, ultimately, the three of us decide we are going to be together around a common purpose. I think we are seeing that with the impeachment hearings, even at this week, whether or not we would agree with the particular device that some of these experts on russia and ukraine might give, lead by pattison congress, when it comes to what we should do with foreign aid, what we should all be able to agree on is that Public Servants do an essential role in our government, at that whistle blowers must always be protected. Lets look at President Trumps approval ratings, they are not significantly dent about the impeachment proceedings so far. I wonder if there is any doubt in your mind that it was the right thing to do, to go for impeachment. At the moment, it is certainly sucking oxygen and attention away from the democrat race. Which, presumably, you wont wa nt to race. Which, presumably, you wont want to see a lot more as the focal point of the political discussion at the moment. You will want to see. Today, a group of veterans came to capitol hill, she also met with some children who were survivors of gun violence will stop they are legislating, investigating and litigating all at the same time. As for the president s ratings, the first of all, it is a constitutional duty. If you see someone breaching their constitutional duty, you have 110 their constitutional duty, you have no choice but to investigate. Many people have left a report imparting and declared himself independent, so, the president s numbers among republicans are going to be extremely high because many people who disagree with him have left his party. When you look at what the conduct is of what the president has done, really, the question of what the president has done, really, the question for republicans is what it is president clinton was going through an impeachment investigation, which is, at one point, we have to go to him and say, look, we need to at least promote a censure of your behaviour. So, the republicans are now in that same boat, it would have to say to donald trump, if you do not want to be impeached, as you dont want to be the fourth president of the United States to ever be impeached, you have to at least allow for your party to send your your behaviour, and then move on into the elections injune 2020. I dont know if his ego will allow that, but that is a conversation that my friends who remain republicans are having among themselves. Thank you very much. That is an interesting place to end that interview. While the republicans not taking the lead in those congressional impeachment hearings, next week, thanksgiving, recess. Thoughts now presumably move to if this goes to trial in the senate, what then happens . And certainly, it is on the mind of one donaldj trump for some he has been having lunch, trying to break bread with some of his critics amongst the republican party. The reason that is significant is because, if as expected, impeachment proceedings proceed, ultimately, the senate will be the sort of trial and the senators will be the jury. He needs every vote on board. At the moment, the party is taking with him but two of the people at lunch today, senators mitt romney from utah and Susan Collins from maine, have been amongst those who have refused to denounce, unlike their colleagues, the impeachment proceedings. The fa ct the impeachment proceedings. The fact they have been invited to lunch is an assumption the president is going to try and win them over. Tells you a lot. Not take any chances. Turning to israel. Benjamin netanyahu chances. Turning to israel. Benjamin neta nyahu has chances. Turning to israel. Benjamin netanyahu has been indicted on charges. These really Prime Minister is alleged to have accepted gifts from wealthy businessmen in exchange for positive press coverage. Mr net yahoo denies any wrongdoing. 0ur correspondent Barbara Plett usher is injerusalem for us. Does he have to resign . No, he does not. This is uncharted water for israel. They have never had a sitting fry minister indicted. We will see how it plays out. According to the law, he does not have to step down while he is indicted. He can stay in hisjob up until the final verdict. As you know, there is a political crisis in israel at the moment. There was no government that has been able to form after two inconclusive elections. The more immediate question is, what will this indictment have, what impact will it have, on these attempts to try and form a government . Which really speaks to the point of the rifle who has been trying to form a government, has not been able to so far. Does this change the dynamic . It could. Were going to have to see what happens. If mr netanyahu has been indicted, and he has been indicted on all the counts. There been some thoughts that he might get some reduced charges but is the full thing. Whether his political allies, this parties with which he is allied, but also members of his own party, whether they will be assessed, whether they will see what he has as far as expiration date, i guess there may have been some questionable whether mr netanyahu himself would decide would step down or look for a plea bargain but he is very much. He has spoken, come out and say this is a coup detat against the Prime Minister with false allegations and a contaminated investigation system, so he is thrown out a challenge, where the attorney general has said he was just trying to do this to protect the institutions, protect the rule of law. Others have called for him to step down, he is making clear he is fighting on. Barbara, where is the israeli public on this . The is really public is polarised, as you can see from the result of the election. Those who support mr netanyahu election. Those who support mr neta nyahu are very election. Those who support mr netanyahu are very strongly behind him on this. He believed what he says about this being false news, about being a witch hunt and so on. He does have fairly broad support as Prime Minister in the sense of his record. They feel he has given him a decade of good economy, a security, and in that sense, they want to see him continue. But these legal problems that have hanging over him for the past few years have basically caused them to focus more and more on staying in power rather than in governing and he has lost support over that process. Another the indictments have come, we will see whether people rally behind him but i think many people just want a functioning country at this point. Barbara plett usher on that breaking news out ofjerusalem. Thank you very much indeed, just to recap, the Prime Minister of israel Benjamin Netanyahu Prime Minister of israel Benjamin Neta nyahu is facing Prime Minister of israel Benjamin Netanyahu is facing more legal difficulties, but at this stage does not have to step down. Lets move on to some of the other days news in brief. The parents of henry dunn have said they are discussing with dominic rabb with his defence of the governments position to get legal costs from them. The 19 year old died, which led to the suspect leaving the uk underage genetic community. His parents have begun legal challenges against the legal office the foreign office. Mr robin said the government needs to protect taxpayers money and that he would take normal act

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