Government . Tough immigration, tough Migration Policies are divisive as a whole amongst you. But crucial amongst many crucial swing voters which is crucial many of you on the doorsteps and focus groups, problem, big issue, big stakes for the prime minister, i will ask you again, what do we do about the boats . Please get in touch . Now it is time for the news for karishma patel. Thank you. Junior doctors in england have started a four day strike in their long running dispute over pay. Nhs leaders say the action will cause significant disruption to patients. Figures published this morning will show the number of migrants detained in the uk after crossing the channel in small boats has passed 100,000. The number has only been counted officially since january 2018. The uk economy has grown despite expected stagnation. Official figures show it grew by 0. 2 between april and june. The chancellor, jeremy hunt, said the governments plan was starting to take effect, but labour said growth was still on the floor. The governor of hawaii has warned that the number of People Killed in wildfires on the Island Of Maui will go up. Fifty three are currently known to have died. Josh green said the destruction was heartbreaking and catastrophic. A Trigger Warning as they call it, you will hear people that you disagree with and you will hear people whose views you perhaps will find disagreeable, it is myjob to facilitate them, to encourage you to talk and perhaps encourage you to talk and perhaps encourage you to talk to each other . and where there is discord maybe find harmony, we will see basically, the government within have conceded that they are hamstrung at the moment on making further process on tackling the crossings until the outcome of the Supreme Court ruling on whether the Rwanda Policy is lawful. In the Times Newspaper today it is reported conservative mps believe resurrecting the policy of the former home secretary priti patel which planned to use border force jet skis to intercept and redirect dinghies carrying migrants into british waters, redirect them back towards french territorial waters, where is this in your list of priorities . When it comes to the health service, education, interest rates, mortgages, Building Houses . Certainly the conservative see it is very important for the crucial swing voters. It may be all about survival for rishi sunak because the Opinion Polls at the moment are not looking great for the tories. Tommy smiths former head of border welcome back. Robinjenkins, former rnli volunteer for 20 plus years, founder of the International Bird rescue Charity Atlantic pacific. Robin, what do you think about the rhetoric around this and the political weight that is put upon it . Good morning to you. Good morninu. Upon it . Good morning to you. Good morning i upon it . Good morning to you. Good morning i find upon it . Good morning to you. Good morning. I find it upon it . Good morning to you. Good morning. I find it very upon it . Good morning to you. emf. Morning. I find it very disturbing. Ifind it very morning. I find it very disturbing. I find it very disappointing that the language that we used to describe our fellow human beings who are desperately looking for safety and security are treated like others or that they are not worthy of our help or worthy of our support. I think we need to be more empathetic about peoples issues and the reasons and the rationale of why they are putting themselves in such danger to find some form of safety. Can you highlight an example of a lack of empathy . I can you highlight an example of a lack of empathy . Can you highlight an example of a lack of empathy . I think the strap line the conservative lack of empathy . I think the strap line the conservative party lack of empathy . I think the strap line the conservative party is lack of empathy . I think the strap| line the conservative party is using stop the boats as a single line does not address anything to do with the actual plight. Its not address anything to do with the actual plight actual plight. Its breaking the business actual plight. Its breaking the Business Model actual plight. Its breaking the Business Model of actual plight. Its breaking the Business Model of the actual plight. Its breaking the Business Model of the people. Business model of the people smugglers though, isnt it . There are other ways smugglers though, isnt it . There are other ways to smugglers though, isnt it . There are other ways to do smugglers though, isnt it . There are other ways to do it. Smugglers though, isnt it . There are other ways to do it. Of smugglers though, isnt it . There are other ways to do it. Of course j are other ways to do it. Of course the criminal gangs and the traffickers doing this work are despicable people who are exploiting people who are extremely vulnerable. The best way to take the wind from their cells is to create safe passage and a more legitimate way for people to find asylum. Tow; for people to find asylum. Tony smith, what for people to find asylum. Tony smith, what you for people to find asylum. Tony smith, what you say, for people to find asylum. Tony smith, what you say, create i for people to find asylum. Tony smith, what you say, create safe passage as a way of breaking the criminal Business Model and address the rhetoric which robinjenkins sees as incendiary and lacking in empathy . I sees as incendiary and lacking in emath . ,. ,. , empathy . I do agree some of the rhetoric we empathy . I do agree some of the rhetoric we have empathy . I do agree some of the rhetoric we have seen empathy . I do agree some of the rhetoric we have seen this empathy . I do agree some of the rhetoric we have seen this week | empathy . I do agree some of the i rhetoric we have seen this week has been rhetoric we have seen this week has been unfortunate, ive worked in borders been unfortunate, ive worked in borders and immigration All Of My Life and borders and immigration All Of My Life and worked in the home office for 30 life and worked in the home office for 30 years in this area, its politically for 30 years in this area, its politically toxic and always has been politically toxic and always has been we politically toxic and always has been. We need to be careful in our language been. We need to be careful in our language and how we debate the issues language and how we debate the issues because we are seeing increased issues because we are seeing increased polarity from both sides, as youd increased polarity from both sides, as youd expect, having worked in the border as youd expect, having worked in The Border Force for all of that time, The Border Force for all of that time, i The Border Force for all of that time, i think its right we should decide time, i think its right we should decide who gets to come to this country~ decide who gets to come to this country. Who should be invited through country. Who should be invited through legal rights, through visas etc. Through legal rights, through visas etc the through legal rights, through visas etc. The boats is really a very visible, etc. The boats is really a very visible, i etc. The boats is really a very visible, i think, etc. The boats is really a very visible, ithink, a etc. The boats is really a very visible, i think, a very visible issue visible, i think, a very visible issue for visible, i think, a very visible issue for the british people because we have issue for the british people because we have always had illegal into this country. We have always had illegal into this country, thats been going on for a lon country, thats been going on for a long time country, thats been going on for a long time but it has been going on behind the scenes, people three lorries behind the scenes, people three lorries in behind the scenes, people three lorries in border ports, we have been lorries in border ports, we have been apprehending them and dealing with them. But its visible now, people with them. But its visible now, pebble are with them. But its visible now, people are questioning why this is happening and why people are allowed to cross happening and why people are allowed to cross into our waters uninvited . And to to cross into our waters uninvited . And to stay . To cross into our waters uninvited . And to stay . And if thats going to continue. And to stay . And if thats going to continue, how long will this go on for and continue, how long will this go on for and how continue, how long will this go on for and how many more will come and ithink for and how many more will come and i think what for and how many more will come and i think what people really want to see is i think what people really want to see is what this government was elected see is what this government was elected to see is what this government was elected to do which was to take back control elected to do which was to take back control over elected to do which was to take back control over this. You could have a legal control over this. You could have a legal right control over this. You could have a legal right of some sort, theyve talked legal right of some sort, theyve talked about doing that but my worry is exactly talked about doing that but my worry is exactly how and where would that work, is exactly how and where would that work. If is exactly how and where would that work, if were going to open up centres work, if were going to open up centres in work, if were going to open up centres in cali to process people, think centres in cali to process people, think more centres in cali to process people, think more and more migrants. Huge number think more and more migrants. Huge number of think more and more migrants. Huge number of Illegal Migrants already in the number of Illegal Migrants already in the Schengen Zone would block towards in the Schengen Zone would block towards Northern French and i do not think the towards Northern French and i do not think the french would welcome that. Disappointed applicants will probably come out of there and still take to probably come out of there and still take to the probably come out of there and still take to the boats in the smugglers be waiting. Thats not going to work in itself be waiting. Thats not going to work in itself i be waiting. Thats not going to work in itself. I think we need to talk to the in itself. I think we need to talk to the European Union about a european to the European Union about a european Asylum System, what the deal would be in terms of us taking some deal would be in terms of us taking some people through legal roots, in return some people through legal roots, in return for some people through legal roots, in return for a some people through legal roots, in return for a safer Country Agreement with the return for a safer Country Agreement with the french but we would need i think clear with the french but we would need i think clear guarantees that a third country think clear guarantees that a third Country Agreement would hold water and we Country Agreement would hold water and we would not end up with an own oal and we would not end up with an own goal and and we would not end up with an own goal and taking a lot more people than we goal and taking a lot more people than we are already taking. Interesting, professor sirjohn curtice, the legendary psychologist and Polling Expert says this is a visible failure and you to it, tony. Here of brexit which was all about taking back control. And people are seeing it not happening and not working . Seeing it not happening and not workin . � ~. , working . And i think we need to put the numbers working . And i think we need to put the numbers in working . And i think we need to put the numbers in perspective, working . And i think we need to put| the numbers in perspective, 45,000 last year the numbers in perspective, 45,000 last year on the numbers in perspective, 45,000 last year on the boats, everyone is making last year on the boats, everyone is making noise about 100,000 Milestone Today or making noise about 100,000 Milestone Today or yesterday but that is over five years today or yesterday but that is over five years. 45,000 on the boats, 75,000 five years. 45,000 on the boats, 75,000 was five years. 45,000 on the boats, 75,000 was the Asylum Intake last year. 75,000 was the Asylum Intake last year. The 75,000 was the Asylum Intake last year, the sixth highest in europe and they year, the sixth highest in europe and they are taking 2. 3 million on the us and they are taking 2. 3 million on the us border so it is a global issue the us border so it is a global issue. Rememberthe government, the leal issue. Rememberthe government, the iegai figure issue. Rememberthe government, the legal figure for lawful rights has gone legal figure for lawful rights has gone above 600,000 now. Admittedly some of gone above 600,000 now. Admittedly some of that was from ukraine and hong some of that was from ukraine and hong kong some of that was from ukraine and hong kong and good causes to bring people hong kong and good causes to bring people here but its very high for a government that controls legal migration. The illegal component is around migration. The illegal component is around one migration. The illegal component is around one tenth of that so its important around one tenth of that so its important for me talk about this we keep the important for me talk about this we keep the figures in perspective and talk about keep the figures in perspective and talk about illegal migration but also illegal migration and fight the policy also illegal migration and fight the policy and whether the policy is Working Policy and whether the policy is workinu. � , , policy and whether the policy is workinu. H , , working. Lets remember these people are not illegal working. Lets remember these people are not Illegal Migrants, working. Lets remember these people are not Illegal Migrants, it working. Lets remember these people are not Illegal Migrants, it is working. Lets remember these people are not Illegal Migrants, it is the are not Illegal Migrants, it is the migration itself and these people, many of them, human beings, have perfectly legitimate claims to asylum. There is a massive backlog there which may may well address, we just had and the thing being pushed by some conservative mps to leave the European Convention on human rights, interesting quote from President Of The Law Society he says leaving the echr would mean the uk sets is an outlier in europe alongside only russia and belarus. So, highly contentious. Robin, i will let you speak to simon in bournemouth and patricia in bodmin. Hello to both of you this friday morning hello to both of you this friday mornina ,. ,. , hello to both of you this friday mornina ,. ,. , hello to both of you this fridayl morning robin, hello to both of you this friday morning robin, please morning good morning. Robin, please seak to morning good morning. Robin, please speak to patricia morning good morning. Robin, please speak to patricia because morning good morning. Robin, please speak to patricia because patricia, speak to patricia because patricia, i think that you think we should be hard on this . You i think that you think we should be hard on this . I think that you think we should be hard on this . You want my opinion . Richt. Hard on this . You want my opinion . Riht. It is hard on this . You want my opinion . Right it is very hard on this . You want my opinion . Right. It is very tough hard on this . You want my opinion . Right. It is very tough and hard on this . You want my opinion . Right. It is very tough and i hard on this . You want my opinion . Right. It is very tough and i am right. It is very tough and i am sorry right. It is very tough and i am sorry there right. It is very tough and i am sorry there will right. It is very tough and i am sorry there will be right. It is very tough and i am sorry there will be some right. 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