One bucket at a time. Many people forced to flee at a moments notice had to leave everything behind to the mercy of the flames. On saturday hawaiis Attorney General announced an investigation into why the islands Warning Siren didnt sound at the height of the emergency. Questions are also being asked about if power to the island should have been cut. One of the islands Airport Runways has now been closed to Civilian Aircraft to help supplies reach the island faster. Hawaiis governor, josh green, spoke to reporters a short time ago. He was asked to give an update on the number of casualties. Here is what he said. Ido i i do i had to imagine the fear that came over people when the fire, which was really a hurricane and a fire, came through at once. We will rebuild. Families will come together, but theres a lot of loss here, and i think were going to see significantly higher numbers in the coming days as our professionals from fema and maui fire continue to do theirjob. We are proud of them for doing thejob. Do theirjob. We are proud of them for doing the job. It is very hard for them as well, as they love these neighbours. What is your estimate of the Cost Overruns . It what is your estimate of the Cost Overruns . Cost overruns . It is hard to know. Were Cost Overruns . It is hard to know. Were going Cost Overruns . It is hard to know. Were going into Cost Overruns . It is hard to know. Were going into the houses for the first time. There are already 80 fatalities. It is going to rise. It will certainly be the worst Natural Disaster ever faced. It may be the worst fire that america ever faced. Away governorjosh green saying this could be one of the worst disasters in the history of the United States hawaii. Lets go live now to our reporter on the ground in maui, helena humphrey. We were just hearing from an earlier moment of Hawaii Governorjosh green speaking to the press and we are awaiting more updates from officials. What are we expecting . Thats riaht, what are we expecting . Thats right. Carl. What are we expecting . Thats right, carl. Members what are we expecting . Thats right, carl. Members of what are we expecting . Thats right, carl. Members of the. Right, carl. Members of the media gathering here at this Government Building where we are expecting an update from the governor, josh green. You just played some clips of that impromptu visit that he made to an emergency shelter. We were there as well, listening to some of those comments, it is worth repeating them, because they were striking. As you play that sound bite, when he was asked about an estimate of a loss of life, he warned that it could significantly go upwards, and said that not only was this the worst disaster in this states history, this could potentially be the worst fire in americas history. He went on to say that the priority right now is housing and healthcare for local people, for those affected, before they can even begin to think about rebuilding. But he also said that all of the help that would be available on the us mainland from federal authorities would be made available for hawaii, and today we have seen more fema officials coming in. We have seen them out and about in the shelters where we have been visiting, and they number 150 today on the island, but it comes at a time when questions are growing about that emergency warning system, and i think its fair to say that at that Press Conference, very likely that question will be asked here as well. Helena, we are actually asked here as well. Helena, we are actually looking asked here as well. Helena, we are actually looking at asked here as well. Helena, we are actually looking at some. Are actually looking at some images now of the governor touring the streets of lahaina, which just looks absolutely devastated. He is also, as we can see, he has been speaking with some residence there. Now, i know that you have been a temporary shelter also, speaking with some people who have been displaced by these fires. What have they been telling you . Fires. What have they been tellin ou . ,. , telling you . These people have lost everything. Telling you . These people have lost everything. Some telling you . These people have lost everything. Some of telling you . These people have lost everything. Some of them | lost everything. Some of them say that they are just lucky to be alive, coming out with just literally the shirts on their backs, but at the same time there is this sense of frustration and anger. Everyone we have spoken to, we have asked, did you receive any kind of warning, and everyone said that they didnt hear sirens, they didnt receive Text Messages either, because telecommunications were also down. They said the only reason that they managed to get out was relying on their community, neighbours, people banging on their doors, telling them to get out. And by the time that they did get out, they saw essentially a red sky and a wall of flames approaching them. And you canjust see wall of flames approaching them. And you can just see that at the shelters. People are bearing the scars of this, quite literally, people coming in with bandaged limbs because clearly they were running away from a wall of fire. And so im sure the governor has had some Difficult Conversations with these residents as well, questions being asked about that warning system, because now they are facing potentially, very likely, the darkest day in this states history. Darkest day in this states histo. ,. , darkest day in this states histo. ,. , history. Those who have survived history. Those who have survived and history. Those who have survived and those history. Those who have survived and those who | history. Those who have survived and those who were able to get out, we have seen some chaotic scenes, lines of cars trying to get back into the town of lahaina. So there is a moment where folks are allowed to return to their homes, or at allowed to return to their homes, orat least allowed to return to their homes, or at least whats left. Based on some of the footage we have been seeing, there may not be a whole lot left for many of these people. What are these people finding . What have you heard about those returns back into the town . Into the town . Well, its interesting, into the town . Well, its interesting, speaking i into the town . Well, its interesting, speaking to | into the town . Well, its interesting, speaking to people at the shelter, lahaina residents, some of them say we dont even want to go. We dont want to go back because we know that when we left we were trying to hose down our walls to stop the flames licking our buildings, but it was already too late. They say we already know that we have lost everything. 0ther know that we have lost everything. Other people going back, and as they went back, starting from yesterday, they were being told to brace themselves for the kinds of devastation that they will have never seen in their lifetimes. The governor describing it as if a bomb has gone off, and certainly thats the picture we are seeing. And at the same time the government are also saying today that death toll will likely rise, because in that rubble, and in those properties, are more people who just didnt make it out in time. ,. , just didnt make it out in time. , ,. ,. , time. Helena, briefly, a way of course is time. Helena, briefly, a way of course is known time. Helena, briefly, a way of course is known for time. Helena, briefly, a way of course is known for this time. Helena, briefly, a way of course is known for this aloha l course is known for this aloha spirit and people coming together and helping each other. Is that the sense that you are getting, with this being such a big disaster at a big tragedy there . If i being such a big disaster at a big tragedy there . Being such a big disaster at a big tragedy there . If i can sum it u for big tragedy there . If i can sum it up for you. Big tragedy there . If i can sum it up for you, carl, big tragedy there . If i can sum it up for you, carl, i big tragedy there . If i can sum it up for you, carl, i think it up for you, carl, i think the aloha spirit is one of the most bittersweet members of what were saying. Its the most heartbreaking thing, because despite what people are going through, approach everything with kindness, resilience. They have even been asking members of the media, can you believe it, on a day like this . If they need anything, if they are ok, people have been coming to shelters with whatever they have, baby products, food, water, comfort. Tonight at the shelter we have also had that local musicians are going down to play some music and just try and restore some of the beautiful spirit that we have seen from these incredibly resilient people. Resilient people. Helena humphrey resilient people. Helena humphrey there, resilient people. Helena humphrey there, live i resilient people. Helena| humphrey there, live for resilient people. Helena humphrey there, live for us in maui, where we are expecting soon a Press Conference with local officials as well as the hawaii governor, governor greene, he will be speaking at the bottom of the hour, and we will be sure to come back to you, helena, and to bring you that Press Conferences live as we get it. As weve been hearing, shelters have been busy helping those who have been left homeless by this disaster. Todd james is the National Spokesman for the american red cross, which is on the front line of this. He spoke to the bbc earlier. The main focus of our work continues to be sheltering, working with our partners, the local and State Government and our nonprofit partners in the area. Because weve got to make sure that all of these families who have been displaced have a safe place to stay, have access to food, to medical care, as you heard there, to Crisis Counseling and of course, knowing that theyve got a safe place to go until they figure out what their next steps are. Weve had thousands of people coming through the shelters. Weve had over 2,900 overnight stays so far, and a lot of folks who are coming into the shelter during the day. They can charge their phones, they can get a meal, they can talk to some of the other partners we have in the shelters with us to get information. And if they need to stay, then they know theyre more than welcome to stay with us. So that is our big focus right now. Once its safe and we get the word from officials that we can begin going out, well assist with the Damage Assessment of the area and then well start distributing some of the emergency supplies that families will need when they start the cleaning process. I wouldnt be surprised if there are some difficulties getting hold of some folks. You know, theres a lot of confusion. The infrastructure is down. The communications, electricity, water all of that is not functioning or barely working in some areas affected by the fire, so that makes it very tough. So im sure the officials are doing all they can. Its still a search and Rescue Operation, so thats why theyre restricting access, i believe. But whoever needs shelter, if there are still folks out there and they make their way to our shelter, theyre going to find a welcome arm from a red cross volunteer who will get them settled, get them a meal and make sure they have access to everything they need right now. Republican president ial frontrunner donald trump made an appearance at the Iowa State Fair this saturday. Hundreds of supporters and fair attendees greeted the former president as he moved around grills and visited baby goats at the fair, held in the first state to kick off voting in the us president ial primary. The former president s visit happened the same time his lead rival, Florida Governor ron desantis, joined Iowa Governor kim reynolds for a Fireside Chat at the fairgrounds. Desantis, who has recently shaken up his team as he sinks in the polls, had long planned to attend the Iowa State Fair, scrambling to reset his campaign. Staying with us politics, and a Georgia Grand Jury is expected to hear evidence next week in an atlanta area case against donald trump and his allies for alledgedly interfering in the 2020 election. On saturday the states former Lieutenant Governor geoff duncan and an independent journalist confirmed that they both have been asked to testify before the grand jury on tuesday. Fulton County District attorney fani willis is thought to be seeking more than a dozen charges against the former president , including conspiracy and racketeering. Those charges could happen in the coming days. Trump denies all wrongdoing. Earlier, i wasjoined by margaret talev, senior contributor at news website axios and director of Syracuse Universitys institute for democracy, journalism and citizenship, to discuss all of these developments. Thank you for being here. We just heard, first of all, about these latest updates about the investigation into the 2020 election in the us state in georgia. What is your sense of how this is case is unfolding and whether and when donald trump could be charged in the case . Well, karl, this has the potential, even though it sounds kind of humdrum like, oh, fourth indictment to be really impactful for a few reasons. Just based on the timing of the former Lieutenant Governors invitation or subpoena, i should say to testify, this looks like it could come as soon as next week. Its important for a number of reasons. One is because it has been said that if former President Trump were to win another term and to be convicted at the federal level, hed have the ability to pardon himself. But in the us, that is not true in terms of a power over convictions at the state level. So a conviction in georgia is a different matter hypothetically speaking for a future president. It also really matters in the here and now because the third indictment that weve been talking so much about, jack smiths at the federal level, was purposely drawn very narrowly just around donald trump, really. Its believed this case in georgia has the potential to draw in nearly two dozen other people. And so you have potential for leverage and plea negotiations, and just to see a much broader array of kind of connections around efforts to overturn the election. And then, finally, it is potentially now a fourth indictment. So in terms of size, scope and what it would mean if trump were to run, be nominated and be re elected, its important on all of those levels. Also this week, we heard that a Special Prosecutor has been named in the investigation into the current president s son, hunter biden. What does that mean in terms of what actually comes next in that particular case . Because there had been a plea deal, and that seems to have fallen apart completely. Thats right, so the plea deal fell apart. And this certainly suggests now that the case that will run by now special counsel david weiss has the potential to go on for months longer. Normally, you would not appoint a special counsel if there was, like, nothing more to happen, right . There are potentially some new powers that this gives. Its not clear because the us had maintained for a while that he had all the power that he needed, but this might give him potentially some leverage to bring cases in additional states. He may always have had, essentially, that power. It is obviously designed to show and make clear that he has independence that hes not, you know, working for President Biden. But its interesting because were seeing immediately the republicans who were saying, there needs to be a special counsel, or weiss should be be special counsel, have immediately turned around and said, weiss shouldnt be the special counsel. There should be a different special counsel. There is a sub effect to this it greatly reduces the chances that weiss would ever testify now before some of the republican led committees in the House Of Representatives that are actually investigating hunter biden and President Biden, but it has some real downsides forjoe biden politically. It is a really interesting time because at the moment there are three special counsels investigating separate matters. We have one investigating joe biden, you have one investigating his son, as you just mentioned, and of course there is jack smith investigating donald trump. It is. I mean, it is unprecedented, and there are no historians or democracy express or political analysts that i talk to who think this is a good thing for American Democracy. It is certainly a test both for American Democracy and for voters to really try and understand the differences among these cases, what kind of person they want to nominate from either party to serve as president , and what they consider acceptable baselines notjust for candidates but for Congressional Committees who are prioritising some of these things over actual issues. But, look, what it certainly means to have notjust a smaller documents case involving biden but now the special counsel case against biden� s son is that republicans see this as a gift. It gives them the potential to continue drawing a false equivalency around the charges against the actual former President Donald Trump and the son of the sitting president , who is not a candidate, who doesnt work for the white house. So far there had been no evidence emerged to suggest that President Biden himself has breached any ethical standards or broken any laws