She was using her, as it was described today, weaponising her craft, using things like overfeeding a milk and liquids to kill babies she was looking after. This is been depressing for everybody involved but none more so than for those families of the babies who not only lost their children in the most traumatic of circumstances, but have had to relive after the worst days of their lives again here in this courtroom. And one of the first reactions that we heard to this verdict today was the statement that was read out on behalf of those families. Now the identities of the children, the babies involved, has been protected throughout. The in a deep, too, of theirfamilies, their parents and their siblings its what we heard was the family Liaison Officer who is being so closely involved with supporting all of those people. This is janet and she read out on the steps here a statement on behalf of those grieving families. Of all the families in this case. I have been asked to read out a statement on behalf of all the families in this case. I have been asked to read out a statement on behalf of all the families in this case. Words cannot effectively explain how we are feeling at this moment in time. We are quite simply stunned. To lose a baby is a heartbreaking experience that no parent should ever have to go through. But to lose a baby or to have a baby harmed in these particular circumstances is unimaginable. Over the past seven to eight years, we have had to go through a long, tortuous and emotionaljourney. From losing our precious newborns and grieving their loss, seeing our children who survived, some of whom are still suffering today, to being told years later that their death or collapse might be suspicious, nothing can prepare you for that news. Today, justice has been served, and a nurse who should have been caring for our babies has been found guilty of harming them. This justice will not take away from the extreme hurt, anger and distress we have all had to experience. Some families did not receive the verdict that they expected, and therefore it is a bittersweet result. We are heartbroken, devastated, angry and feel numb. We may never truly know why this happened. Words cannot express our gratitude to the jury who have had to sit through 145 days of gruelling evidence which has led to todays verdict. We recognise that this has not been an easy task for them, and we will forever be grateful for their patience and resilience throughout this incredibly difficult process. The Police Investigation began in 2017, and we have been supported from the very beginning by a team of experienced and dedicated family Liaison Officers. We want to thank these officers for everything they have done for us. Medical experts, consultants, doctors and nursing staff have all given evidence at Court Which At Times has been extremely harrowing and distressing for us to listen to. However, we recognise the determination and commitment that each witness has shown in ensuring that the truth was told. We acknowledge that the evidence given by each of them has been key in securing todays verdict. That was janet moore. Lucy letby was arrested three times before she was finally charged after that third arrest. Forthe finally charged after that third arrest. For the families involved, these crimes took place between 2015 and 2016, so it has been many years of distress and heart rate for those families and you heard janet moore there really talking about some of their concerns and some of the emotions that they have been dealing with during this trial. Im joint now. Joining me now is professorjeremy coid, a forensic psychiatrist at Queen Mary University of london. Thank you so much forjoining us. I think one of the key things during this case has been these two portrayals of lucy letby from the prosecution as somebody as who is calculating, who used normality as a cloak to hide the crimes she has been carrying out and from the defence as a young woman was being blamed for things her control. In your experience, and situation like this, where does the truth lie . Yet to no this, where does the truth lie . Yet to go on the this, where does the truth lie . Yet to go on the fact that she is now convicted and it will be the way i would convicted and it will be the way i would be convicted and it will be the way i would be working this case. So on the convention, we have to assume that she the convention, we have to assume that she did the convention, we have to assume that she did what she was accused of. That she did what she was accused of so that she did what she was accused of so in that she did what she was accused of. So in that setting, we have to understand of. So in that setting, we have to understand that in terms of Serial Killers understand that in terms of Serial Killers and understand that in terms of Serial Killers and though every case is different. Killers and though every case is different, there are broadly speaking to main groups, those which are sexually speaking to main groups, those which are sexually sadistic and those who are sexually sadistic and those who are compulsive killers for nonsexual excitement. ,. They get pleasure, a sense excitement. ,. They get pleasure, a sense of excitement. ,. They get pleasure, a sense of achievement and lucy letby is probably sense of achievement and lucy letby is probably in the second group which is probably in the second group which tends to have more women actually which tends to have more women actually in which tends to have more women actually in it. And the motivation behind actually in it. And the motivation behind it actually in it. And the motivation behind it is actually in it. And the motivation behind it is extreme excitement and exhilaration from the actual Act Of Killing exhilaration from the actual Act Of Killing. The Act Of Killing is it intensely killing. The Act Of Killing is it intensely exciting and pleasurable and involves control of the victim a sense and involves control of the victim a sense of and involves control of the victim a sense of achievement and power over the victim sense of achievement and power over the victim. And often individuals have the victim. And often individuals have this the victim. And often individuals have this urge for a sense of release have this urge for a sense of release or have this urge for a sense of release or relieve some sounds from symptoms release or relieve some sounds from symptoms like depression and the behaviour symptoms like depression and the behaviour can become addictive and quite behaviour can become addictive and quite irresistible. So the individual is often driven by homicidal thoughts and urges which are a hit homicidal thoughts and urges which are a bit like this Compulsive Disorden are a bit like this compulsive disorder. They keep coming into the individuals disorder. They keep coming into the individuals mise and they cannot drive individuals mise and they cannot drive them individuals mise and they cannot drive them out and the appearance when drive them out and the appearance when the drive them out and the appearance when the urges come and go sometimes life events when the urges come and go sometimes life events will set them all. But in reality. Life events will set them all. But in reality, its not done by external in reality, its not done by external things. In reality, its not done by externalthings. So in reality, its not done by external things. So its primarily something internal to the mind. It� s something internalto the mind. Its a rare something internal to the mind. A rare thing something internal to the mind. It� s a rare thing we think about Serial Killers within the medical profession. Names of course come to mind lot doctor harold shipman, but it is a rare thing but what is it is some of these personalities that drives someone if you were saying there, somebody who is seeking that thrill from killing, to actually work in the medical profession because i think as a society, we find that particularly chilling, dont we . Find that particularly chilling, dont we . ,. ,. , dont we . Yes, indeed. You do find Serial Killers dont we . Yes, indeed. You do find Serial Killers sometimes dont we . Yes, indeed. You do find Serial Killers sometimes getting Serial Killers sometimes getting obs Serial Killers sometimes getting jobs where they actually have access to victims. Jobs where they actually have access to victims, so thats one possibility. I cannot say that that is the possibility. I cannot say that that is the case possibility. I cannot say that that is the case with lucy letby, but what is the case with lucy letby, but what sometimes happens is having access what sometimes happens is having access is what sometimes happens is having access is incidental and it develops Overtime Access is incidental and it develops overtime. But its access is incidental and it develops over time. But its quite possible that this over time. But its quite possible that this is over time. But its quite possible that this is something, there have been that this is something, there have been thoughts from an early age, often been thoughts from an early age, often you been thoughts from an early age, often you tend to find this starts around often you tend to find this starts around about puberty. And a bit later around about puberty. And a bit later actually in the compulsive killers later actually in the compulsive killers. But if something was develops over time and the individual somehow builds it up, has trvouts individual somehow builds it up, has trvouts of individual somehow builds it up, has tryouts of the behaviour and gradually sort of moves into it and finds gradually sort of moves into it and finds that gradually sort of moves into it and finds that the behaviour itself is extremely an i believably pleasurable and exciting to people. Ithink pleasurable and exciting to people. I think you pleasurable and exciting to people. I think you were asking. Something particularly i think you were asking. Something particularly interesting to me, and im particularly interesting to me, and in not particularly interesting to me, and in not sure particularly interesting to me, and im not sure whether im making more of it that im not sure whether im making more of it that l im not sure whether im making more of it that i should, but i was fascinated by the post it notes. That fascinated by the post it notes. That seemed to be almost like two people that seemed to be almost like two people carrying out the homicides. 0ne people carrying out the homicides. One person who was seen to be saying i one person who was seen to be saying i have one person who was seen to be saying i have these one person who was seen to be saying i have these urges and i did it and it was i have these urges and i did it and it was me i have these urges and i did it and it was me and another person seeming to say it was me and another person seeming to say could it was me and another person seeming to say could it have been me . I could to say could it have been me . I could not to say could it have been me . I could not have done that. All, almost could not have done that. All, almost as could not have done that. All, almost as if two individuals were present almost as if two individuals were present but i think we call that dissociation and denial that there probably dissociation and denial that there probably were phases where she was entirely probably were phases where she was entirely in probably were phases where she was entirely in touch with what she was doing entirely in touch with what she was doing in entirely in touch with what she was doing in others she had pushed it entirely doing in others she had pushed it entirely out of her mind. And so i think entirely out of her mind. And so i think that entirely out of her mind. And so i think that is entirely out of her mind. And so i think that is the most likely explanation of those post it notes, but of explanation of those post it notes, but of course i would not know unless but of course i would not know unless you but of course i would not know unless you chose to tell me or tell somebody unless you chose to tell me or tell Somebody Else exactly what it all meant~ Somebody Else exactly what it all meant. , ,. ,. , Somebody Else exactly what it all meant. ,. , i. Somebody else exactly what it all meant. ,. ,. , meant. Professor, thank you for oinin meant. Professor, thank you for joining us meant. Professor, thank you for joining us. Really meant. Professor, thank you for joining us. Really appreciate meant. Professor, thank you for | joining us. Really appreciate your insight. A forensic psychiatrist at Queen Mary University in london. This is as we have been saying such a complex and long running investigation. 0ur north of england correspondent has been following through out and she sent this report. She thought shed get away with it, but this was the moment the game was up. Lucy, is it . My name is. With the cheshire police. Do you mind if i step in for two seconds . Yes. Thank you. Behind the door of this ordinary suburban house, britains most prolific baby killer was finally arrested three years after her murder spree began. Just take a seat there in for me, lucy. Ill move that seat forward a bit. Ive just had knee surgery. 0h, right, 0k. She worked here, on the Neonatal Unit at the countess of Chester Hospital. Her role to care for the most premature and vulnerable infants, but that couldnt have been further from her mind. The crying, ive never heard anything like it since. It was screaming. It was screaming, and i was like, whats the matter with them . Legally, we cant identify the families in this case, but the stories are distressing. These are the parents of twin boys born prematurely in 2015. Their mum was taking milk to them when she heard one of her sons crying loudly. He had blood round his mouth. And lucy was there, but faffing about and not really doing anything. Lucy said, dont worry, the registrar was coming. And then she told me to go back to the ward. The babys mum left him in this Intensive Care area and went to call her husband. They thought their son was in safe hands with nurse letby, but a short time later, they were told he was dangerously ill and they rushed back to find doctors trying to save him. We were taken in, and we were told to talk to him and hold his hand. And then. We had a conversation with the consultant, and he said, you know what, were going to stop because its not helping. We want him to die in your arms. 0n the unit, there were typically up to three deaths a year, but in 2015, they had that number in the month ofjune alone. And the pattern continued, with babies dying or coming close to death. The common factor lucy letby. This Staffing Sheet shows she was the only employee who was present every time there was a suspicious event. Dr Stephen Brearey led the team of seven consultants on the unit who shared joint concerns about letby. Hes now speaking publicly about their experience for the first time. Its something that nobody really wants to consider, you know, that a member of staff might be harming the babies under your care. Things came to a head when two out of three healthy triplets died within 2a hours of each other injune 2016. Afterwards, a meeting was held for staff. Lucy letby was there. She was sitting next to me. I spoke to her and said how tired and upset she must be after two days of this, and i hoped that she was going to have a restful weekend. And she turned to me and said, no, im back on shift tomorrow. The other staff were very traumatised by all of this. We were crumbling before your eyes, almost, and she was quite happy and confident to come into work. Lucy letby was eventually moved to a clerical role. The doctors kept trying to get managers to investigate the suspicious deaths and her connection to them. But we can now reveal that even though consultants here repeatedly made loud warnings to Senior Management, they say they were ignored and ultimately told that if they didnt stop raising questions about the nurse, thered be consequences. And the doctors say that even after lucy letby came off duty on the Neonatal Unit, executives tried to draw a line under the case, and it was only a year after she stopped working as a nurse that the Police Became involved. After her arrest, officers found all sorts of items in her bedroom babies medical records, her diary and notes covered in letby� s scrawl, with phrases including, i am evil. I did this. She is a killer, and using her words, she is evil. Youve spent time interviewing her and watching her in court, as well, giving evidence. Yes. What do you make of her . I think shes very emotionless. She doesnt respond to a typical Human Response that i wouldve expected. Did you have any concerns that there was a rise in the Mortality Rate . Yes. There was no empathy or sympathy with whats gone on at all. I mean, there are people who look at her and say theres no way she can have done this. Its circumstantial evidence. She looks as though butter wouldnt melt. Its an example to us all of not judging a book by its cover. I weve got to accept, you know, and understand the evidence i in this case has been, i believe, significant, | and it has taken us to understand that lucy letby is a killer. As the trial ended today, letby refused to come into the courtroom. Prosecutors later reflecting on the scale of her deceit. In her hands, innocuous substances like air, milk or medication like insulin would become lethal. She perverted her learning and weaponised her craft to inflict harm, grief and death. The nurse even wrote this Sympathy Card to the parents of one baby and searched for many of the other families on facebook. Not a single thing that ive ever seen or witnessed of lucy would let me for a moment believe that she was cap