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Crossing, which connects egypt to gaza. President biden says egypt will allow 20 humanitarian aide trucks to roll through. So far, no timeframe was given for the aide� s arrival. Israel earlier said it wont get in the way of food, water, and medicine getting to civilians, as long as the assistance does not reach hamas. Mr biden says they are a few more things that need to happen before the aid can come in. This has been a very blunt negotiation i have had, so we want to get as many of the tracks out as possible. There are a 150 or so there. Not all will go. The first tranche, if there is a second tranche, see how it goes. We want to bring you some live pictures out of gaza, where its just after 4 00am. This is the main entrance of Nasser Hospital in khan yunis. Protests across the middle east erupted over the explosion at the Al Ahli Hospital in gaza tuesday that left at least a71 people dead. Arab states, and the main palestinian militant group, hamas, have continued to blame israel for the explosion even as mr biden backed israels claim that it had nothing to do with it. A car park outside the Al Ahli Hospital became a killing ground. The arguments about whos responsible come too late for the people whose lives ended here. Even with their bodies taken away, the clean up this morning also meant collecting small pieces of flesh. God have mercy, he said, they were civilians. And muhammad, a neighbour, cant unsee children with legs blown off, and the bodies he helped carry. They all, he said, thought theyd be safe near a hospital. Early this morning at the Defence Ministry in tel aviv, the military presented data it said proved israel did not attack the hospital. Instead, they said, it was a Malfunctioning Rocket fired by palestinian islamichhad. The Trajectory Analysis from the barrage of rockets confirms that the rockets were fired close proximity to the hospital. According to our intelligence, hamas checked the reports, understood it was an Islamic Jihad rocket that had misfired, and decided to launch a Global Media Campaign to hide what really happened. They went as far as inflating the numbers of casualties. Coming to tel aviv was a gamble for President Biden. He wanted to ease gazas humanitarian catastrophe, while supporting israels war effort perhaps an impossible circle to square with israels leader, benjamin netanyahu. But a deal emerged from their meeting food, water and medicine but no fuel from egypt to gaza. For israel, more military aid, and agreement that they didnt hit the hospital. And based on what ive seen, it appears as though it was done by the other team, not you. I wanted to personally come and make that clear. Thank you for having me, and im looking forward to having a thorough discussion about where everybody goes from here. The president wont change the minds of those who insist Israel Attacked the hospital. Joe biden� s presence here will only deepen the conviction among palestinians, and millions of other arabs, that america isntjust on israels side, but that its also complicit in Everything Israel is doing in gaza, including killing civilians. Until the hamas attacks on israel, President Biden dreamt of transforming the middle east. The americans were negotiating with saudi arabia and israel, to try to get the two countries to recognise each other. That is not on the agenda any more. Grief is crushing the families of gazas dead. Israel was warned byjoe biden not to be consumed by rage, while in gazas shifa hospital, a father was saying goodbye to his dead children, in a corridor thats been turned into a mortuary. A waiting room for the grave. Jeremy bowen, bbc news, in israel. President biden will address the us on thursday. Jeremy bowen has also been looking at what President Biden achieved on his visit to israel. Yes, i think it has for biden, to a degree, because he has arranged them as you have been hearing, this humanitarian access from egypt into gaza. It is incomplete, insofar as it doesnt include fuel, it includes water, food and medical items. Hospitals, though, need fuel, and that is something which at the moment doesnt seem to be in the agreement. There are also other questions, how much will be allowed in and will the israelis insist on searching it. There could be a problem for egypt. A Bipartisan Group of senators has just returned from a trip to israel, where they met with Prime Minister netanyahu and his war cabinet. I spoke to on of the senators on that trip, republican bill cassidy of louisiana, about the uss role. You have just returned with a bipartisan delegation from a visit to israel. Can you tell us what you witnessed, what you learned there . Learned there . Well, we met with both learned there . Well, we met with both prime learned there . Well, we met with both Prime Minister with both Prime Minister netanyahu and his war cabinet. We met with in a separate meeting with general galante, a separate meeting with president hertzog and then a separate meeting with benny gantz, and then lastly, with Family Members, american israelis with Family Members who have been taken hostage. From all of them, a sense of grief, a sense of shock, of disappointment that people were not kept safe. Now for the political and the military leaders, there was a relevant business a resoluteness that they were going to address this, secure the border with gaza strip, they were going to protect against any incursions by hezbollah. Forthe against any incursions by hezbollah. For the Family Members, they are buffeted by events and there is an incredible sense of tragedy, but they still were hopeful. 0ne but they still were hopeful. One woman said it is hard to imagine the good news is that you hear although your son has lost an arm, and is being held hostage by hamas in gaza, the good news is that hes alive, and i think that kind of summarises the paphos of the situation. ,. ,. , situation. Senator, we ust heard the i situation. Senator, we Ust Heard The President h situation. Senator, wejUst Heard The President have l situation. Senator, wejUst Heard The President have a situation. Senator, wejUst Heard The President have a rare wartime visit to israel where he reaffirmed the us reaffirmed the us � s for israel. What you think the message he delivered on the trip, and he will also be speaking to the nation about the war thursday evening . The messa. E the war thursday evening . The message is the war thursday evening . The message is that the war thursday evening . Tue message is that the the war thursday evening . Tte message is that the United States stands with israel and we stand against terrorism, and there is no one better to confirm that message than the president. We did it as five senators and he did it again as president. Eitherway, going back to the families who have Family Members taken hostage, one of them expressed an incredible disappointment that their government had not kept them safe, but said that they were looking to the states to kind of be that big brother who is going to support them, even if they felt as if their own government had not done its job. Now im just almost directly quoting what they said, so when the president goes there and expresses his support, i can imagine the emotional impact it has upon many who have been so terribly and emotionally assaulted. There has been criticism of the uss role in not pushing enough on behalf of the citizens in gaza at the moment, and President Biden did work with egyptian president al sisi to allow 28 tracks into gaza. Egypt now say there will be an sustainable aid corridor. 0ur Correspondence that will be of little help because the hospitals need fuel right now. Should the us be doing more to support civilians in gaza . We have to support civilians in gaza . Have to recognise that there is a limit to what the United States or anyone can do. It requires the cooperation of the egyptians, the israelis and hamas, so we can propose but others have to permit, and if we think that we, the United States can go in there and just dictate in a cow artic situation, people have the wrong perception. In a wrong perception. In a chaotic wrong perception. In a chaotic situation. Live now to michael allen, former special Assistant To The President at the National Security council. Great to have you on bbc news. I want to start with President Biden� s visit to israel, the first ever wartime visit to israel by a president. The blast to the hospital, the numbers killed made this Trip Questionable In The First place was to was at the right decision, do you think he achieved what he set out to do . I do, i think it was a good move by President Biden to go to israel to express our solidarity with them but also to work on israel to ensure that they are going to send the right amount of humanitarian aid into gaza. I think the president will also continue to urge upon them the rules of war and restraint, where appropriate. But i think israel is going to go in very heavy in a number of days, and i think this was part of the process for the president to build capital with israel, knowing he will have to use it later, as he seeks to restrain them. But what about he seeks to restrain them. But what about building capital with other partners in the region . There were supposed to be a Summit Injordan with the president s of egypt, president abbas of the Palestinian Authority, king abdullah. It was cancelled over the last hospital. How much does that hamper the white houses ability to affect change and perhaps push for some sort of diplomatic solution for the humanitarian crisis . Yeah, i think the humanitarian crisis . Yeah, i think the misreporting humanitarian crisis . Yeah, i think the Misreporting Of. Humanitarian crisis . Yeah, i l think the Misreporting Of this being something that israel had done, to bomb the hospital, was very inconvenient and unfortunate for the diplomatic efforts to bring everybody along in the region. Nonetheless, i think the president was able to work the phones, make sure the egyptian president was able to open the rafah crossing, and otherwise to be in touch with the king of jordan just to try to tamp things down, to ensure that people dont overreact, as far as things are going, because things are very emotional. This is a trying time for shaw, and i think there are many holidays that will come in the future. We have seen the white house reiterating its position that it Still Believes in a Two State Solution, some eventual path to peace. Does that really fit with what were actually seeing on the ground at the moment . Actually seeing on the ground at the moment . Well, it does, and i at the moment . Well, it does, and i think at the moment . Well, it does, and i think we at the moment . Well, it does, and i think we are at the moment . Well, it does, and i think we are farther and i think we are farther away from a Two State Solution then we have been even in the last ten years, when it seemed to be eclipsed by other regional issues. But i do think it is still important for the president to express support for a Two State Solution. I think it shows the arab monarchies in the region, and the other muslim world that is watching this very intently, that the president of the United States and the United States still think that is a solution we ought to be aiming for over a reasonable period of time. I think it may helps tamp down of the emotions and some of the outrage that people feel in the region, so i thought it was appropriate for him to do, evenif was appropriate for him to do, even if it seems like a Policy Solution that is years away. One question that will cloud the prospect of any eventual Two State Solution is what will happen in gaza. Do you think or do you believe that israel does have a plan for what would happen, even if it is able to, as it has said its aim is to do, eradicate haouas . Well, i think you do, eradicate haouas . Well, i think you have do, eradicate haouas . Well, i think you have put do, eradicate haouas . Well, i think you have put your do, eradicate haouas . Well, i think you have put your fingerj think you have put your finger on it. While they are preparing militarily, no doubt, they are also trying to think through who would take charge of gaza after sweeping through and hopefully taking out hamas . Im sure they are looking at the Palestinian Authority that is overin Palestinian Authority that is over in the west bank, thats probably the leading actor. I dont know thatjordan or egypt want anything to do with governing the gaza strip. I know israel doesnt. Theyjust want to ensure a Terrorist State is not at their front door. But i think over time, we all need to go back to trying to maybe rehabilitate the Palestinian Authority, and hope that one day they are able to take over the sort of stated duties. That take over the sort of stated duties. � duties. At the same time, we have seen duties. At the same time, we have seen many duties. At the same time, we have seen many very duties. At the same time, we have seen many very critical. Have seen many very critical palestinian voices who have said the us has been far too fulsome in its support of israel are not critical enough on israel for its bombing of gaza here. Do you think the us still has the ability to find a solution with the trust of Palestinian Civilians . Well, i think, first Palestinian Civilians . Well, i think, first and Palestinian Civilians . Well, i think, first and foremost, i Palestinian Civilians . Well, i think, first and foremost, it| think, first and foremost, it was most important for the president to express support for israel. After all, they were the aggrieved party here that suffered such horrendous terrorist attacks, and we ought to call it for what it is. But, over time, to call it for what it is. But, overtime, i to call it for what it is. But, over time, i think the United States has always played the vital role in middle east diplomacy, especially as it pertains to palestinians in israel, and i think that we will continue to do this, but it is some time away. We also need to deal with the pernicious influence of iran in the middle east. They obviously are supporting hezbollah, in addition to hamas, so this is a very dangerous neighbourhood. We have a regional hegemony in iran trying to destabilise the region. We are not going to make it unless we deal with them first and i think that will be one of the Policy Descriptions we need to fine descriptions we need to one must question, descriptions we need to one must question, there descriptions we need to one must question, there is a strike group in the Eastern Mediterranean and another heading that way and marine ships moving to the region. What is it meant to achieve . Will the us get involved militarily . T will the us get involved militarily . Militarily . I think its primarily militarily . Ithink its primarily a militarily . I think its| primarily a deterrent, militarily . I think its i primarily a deterrent, a message to iran that they better not activate hezbollah to invade israel in the north of israel. That would give israel a to state war. Its not what they need as they try to move into gaza in the coming days and it would certainly lead to, i think, original conflagration as israel hits back at lebanon and who knows what else. I think its important for us to be in the region to try to tamp down some of the emotions, that ultimately, i think, of the emotions, that ultimately, ithink, israel can get its Business Done in gaza and then we can hopefully look forward to a day when there wont be terrorists attacking israel and we can begin to deal with iran and then settle the region down so it can grow economically. Region down so it can grow economically. Region down so it can grow economicall. ,. ,. , economically. Very good to have ou on economically. Very good to have you on the economically. Very good to have you on the show, economically. Very good to have you on the show, thank economically. Very good to have you on the show, thank you. You on the show, thank you. Thanks so much. Around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news. Lets get more on the news that british Prime Minister rishi sunak is travelling to israel. Downing street say that rishi sunak will express his condolences for the terrible loss of life in israel and gaza as a result of hamass brutal t

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