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BBCNEWS BBC July 3, 2024

Of visits in the region, taking in egypt, turkey and qatar over the next few days. Meanhwhile, us President Joe Biden has wrapped up his visit to israel, and offered his support to the country, during a day long visit, and later unveiled a deal to allow the first humanitarian aid trucks to enter the gaza strip. Our correspondent in los angeles, david willis, has more on President Biden� s visit. President biden� s trip to israel was always a gamble, seeking to support israels war effort, on the one hand, whilst at the same time looking to ease the growing humanitarian crisis in gaza, but its a gamble that appears to have paid off. Mr biden has rung agreements from both israel and egypt to allow the passage of humanitarian aid into gaza. 20 lorry loads to start with, with additional shipments to follow, if the first ones dont fall into the hands of hamas. He has also succeeded in underlying the United States� s unwavering support for its key ally in the middle east, israel, whilst reminding israels leaders of the need to abide by the rules of law. Not bad, considering that this was a trip which threatened to unravel before Air Force One had so much left to the tarmac at Andrews Air Force base, after arab leaders cancelled plans for a summit with mr biden following that strike in a hospital in gaza, which those arab leaders have blamed on israel. The us for its part have said its intelligence concerns israels contention that it was not to blame for that strike. Nonetheless, the incident has prompted angry protests throughout the region, and mr biden urged his israeli hosts not to be drawn into exhibiting what he called rage and emotion, and make the sort of mistakes that mr biden said the United States had made, following the september 11 attacks. He is expected to reinforce that message of restraint in his address to the American People tonight, but further diplomacy may well be neededin further diplomacy may well be needed in the days and weeks ahead, with a lot of unanswered questions, among them of course, what israels plans are for gaza, once the war there has ended. Meanwhile, there are reports here that in the coming days mr biden is expected to ask congress to approve a package of military aid, both for israel and ukraine, amounting to some 100 Billion Us Dollars. Amounting to some 100 Billion Us Dollars us dollars. David willis there in washington us dollars. David willis there in washington for us dollars. David willis there in washington for us. With more on this, im joined by my colleague, said shehata, from bbc arabic. Hello again, so youve been monitoring whats happening in gaza overnight. What is the latest . ,. , latest . The latest is more strikes in latest . The latest is more strikes in different latest . The latest is more strikes in different places| latest . The latest is more i strikes in different places in gaza, close to one of the schools. There are other strikes for some houses in a district, and other places, and some people died and some others injured. I5 some people died and some others injured. Others inured. Is this near gaza others injured. Is this near gaza city others injured. Is this near gaza city on others injured. Is this near gaza city on the others injured. Is this near gaza city on the north others injured. Is this near| gaza city on the north were talking about . Mil gaza city on the north were talking about . Talking about . All over the lace. Talking about . All over the place. Everywhere, talking about . All over the place. Everywhere, and talking about . All over the | place. Everywhere, and this talking about . All over the i place. Everywhere, and this is the reason i mentioned in previous interviews, people moved again from the south to the north, because of even the southis the north, because of even the south is not safe, because there are some strikes on some houses, and people are grieving about their loss, for babies, women and some innocent people, and even on social media i saw some videos, somewhere saying where is the International Community . There are civilians, why are we being targeted . So there is suffering and some have called for International Intervention in order to stop the bombardment. Intervention in order to stop the bombardment. Now that is what president the bombardment. Now that is what President Biden the bombardment. Now that is what President Biden is the bombardment. Now that is what President Biden is saying | what President Biden is saying has been achieved, in the sense that egypt has agreed to open the rafah crossing to allow humanitarian aid into gaza. It is hoped that will happen soon. What are the arabic press and social media saying about his visit . � ,. , social media saying about his visit . ~ ,. , social media saying about his visit . ~ , visit . About the visit itself, they were visit . About the visit itself, they were not visit . About the visit itself, they were not receptive, i visit . About the visit itself, l they were not receptive, they were not welcoming the visit, because after mr biden, his Main Objective is to support israel and talk about more military support. And even one of the arabic newspapers, one of the arabic newspapers, one of the arabic newspapers, one of the main titles called biden and innocent stan, saying that the story is on the side of israel about what happened to the strike against the al ahli hospital. So mr biden agreed that it hospital. So mr biden agreed thatitis hospital. So mr biden agreed that it is not israel, serve the arab world is more suspicious about that, and even like a formerforeign suspicious about that, and even like a former Foreign Minister of egypt, he said that because of egypt, he said that because of the west, and america giving a green light for israel, i think their hands are stained with blood. So more accusations especially about the american role in the current crisis. When you and i were speaking yesterday, and we were talking about what has been said about that terrible blast that hit the hospital can me were saying to me yesterday everyone is of one voice that this was israel, they were responsible for this. Since our conversation of course the Israeli Defence forces have a lengthy Press Conference and as you say, it is explaining how it was not them, and as you say, the us president is saying he has agreed it was not israels fault. In response to all of that, as there more difference in opinion, is there a divided opinion within the arab world now as to who was responsible . Its not, its still the same, still not believing. Its not, its still the same, still not believing. Still not believing. They still not believing. They still believe still not believing. They still believe it still not believing. They still believe it is still not believing. They still believe it is israel . L still believe it is israel . 100 . , still believe it is israel . 10096 . ,. , 10096 . Yes, even some in bahrain. 10096 . Yes, even some in bahrain, using 10096 . Yes, even some in bahrain, using some 10096 . Yes, even some in i bahrain, using some slogans used a long time ago, called death to america. So even more criticism for the american role even after the israeli showed through the Ministry Of Defence how it was not israel, but was a failed rocket by islamic jihad, but still this story was not bought by the arab officials of the arab people, and sec insisting on a Press Conference with the german chancellor scholz, that egypt would not be accepting the emptying of gaza to be in sinai, so again there is broad defiance from the arab world that we need to have an end for that, and you shouldnt think about moving the problem and ending according to the egyptian president and other officials in the arab world to move the problem from gaza to egypt, because if this happened, so it might be people from west bank, but going to jordan. By the same token, this is what president sec said. Within the arab world there are still some anger about the american role, some angerfrom the american from the bombardment. President el sisi. Bombardment. President elsisi. , ~ ,. , bombardment. President elsisi. ,. Elsisi. Thank you so much, we appreciate elsisi. Thank you so much, we appreciate your elsisi. Thank you so much, we appreciate your input. Elsisi. Thank you so much, we appreciate your input. Lets appreciate your input. Lets unpack this further. During President Biden� s visit to israel, he restated his administrations commitment to peace between israel and the palestinians. One area where both live and Work Together is eastjerusalem. Under international law, its considered a part of the west bank, and therefore, palestinian territory. Clive myrie was there and reports on what both communites think about the events of the last few days. In occupied eastjerusalem, some palestinians and jews living here prefer to keep a wide berth. But cheek byjowl, they live. To reach the western wall, a sacred site in thejewish faith, you enter the old city ofjerusalem through the Damascus Gate an important cultural icon for palestinians. And in between, along al wadi street, competing narratives of who owns the ancient stones beneath their feet, and beyond. Hyatt ali is 78, watching events in gaza with sorrow. Translation we cant doj anything, just pray and cry. There is nothing, nothing. God help us all. Moshe knobel, who works in a synagogue on al wadi street, says he knew in his heart israel did not attack the hospital in gaza, that anti israeli propaganda is everywhere. So, its clear in your mind what happened in gaza . With the hospital . Last night . 100 . Even biden, that came here today, said, i checked it out and its not the israelis. So, theres a lot of lies, a lot of fake news. Its much quieter here today. The palestinian shops are closed in protest over the gaza hospital blast. But the Israeli Defense force remains on guard. There is a tension here, with the nation at war, broken by the exuberance of youth. We came across nitai atari and his friends, all 19 years old, with their lives ahead of them and the pride in their nation. Like, i dont hate palestinian people. I hate terrorism. Its really hard for us to live here but we are not going to leave. Like, this is our land, our home. Then, as the call to prayer sounds, riyad najib appears with his son. For palestinians, the gaza blast, and Everything Else theyve endured over decades, they blame on israel. Translation yes. Honestly, the feeling was pain and sadness for what the occupation has done to us, crimes towards our people in this holy land. This is not the first crime and not the last. How old is your son . Four. Four years old. Do you think he will grow up to know peace in this land . Translation thank god, all of us love peace, but how many times have we just talked about peace . Live now to ron hassner, chair in Israel Studies at the university of california, berkeley. A warm welcome to the programme. Im sure you are listening to our report there from clive myrie, and of course the conversation i had with sid early as well. I would like to get your take on President Biden� s visit and what he achieved, your view on that, to begin with. Achieved, your view on that, to begin with begin with. First of all, thank ou for begin with. First of all, thank you for having begin with. First of all, thank you for having me. Begin with. First of all, thank you for having me. I begin with. First of all, thank you for having me. I think you for having me. I think President Biden was looking to achieve several goals, the most important of which and i think the greater success, was so far to deter iran and its militia in Southern Lebanon from becoming involved in the conflict. Hezbollah is much more powerful than hamas, not quite as vicious, as we have seenin quite as vicious, as we have seen in the last week and a half, but better armed and better trained, and so far hezbollah has been Sabre Rattling with regards to israel. There has been some attempts at hezbollah incursions but no second front opened and i think that has much to do with american deterrence, the moving of Aircraft Carriers to the Eastern Mediterranean and bidens physical presence in israel. The other goal i think was the same goal that your Prime Minister is seeking to accomplish, the same goal that the german chancellor short sought to accomplish, which was a seat at the table, both to influence israel, to support israel, to indicate israel that the entire civilised world observed the horrors that hamas committed a week and a half ago and is equally outraged and stands behind israel, but at the same time to use that glistening of relationships and that support to advise israel, and to Council Restraint in the ground war that is sure to follow. �. , , follow. And opening up the border between follow. And opening up the border between egypt follow. And opening up the border between egypt and | follow. And opening up the border between egypt and gaza if assuming it does open, which is the hope and expectation now so critical and can get the people of gaza. The humanitarian aid prices isjust terrific, isnt it, in gaza itself . ,. , itself . In gaza itself and israel, the itself . In gaza itself and israel, the entire itself . In gaza itself and israel, the entire communities along the lebanese border inside israel have been evacuated and of course hamas rockets on israel have not stopped in the last week and a half. The humanitarian crisis could have been resolved quite easily had hamas chosen to release the 200 hostages it has. There is no sign of hamas willing to negotiate over the hostages. The only other option was to somehow convince the israelis and egyptians to feed gazans and of course also thereby feared, terrorists, this is calling some understandable outrage in israel where people are asking why are we supplying, terrorists with food and water and they have not released a single one of our children, are elderly, disabled people, foreigners, tourists, all held god knows where, so this is i think a great gesture on behalf of the United States, egypt and israel i do hope there will be reciprocation from the other side. , reciprocation from the other side. ,. , , side. The Military Crisis is re side. The Military Crisis is pretty clear. Side. The Military Crisis is pretty clear, the side. The Military Crisis is pretty clear, the united l pretty clear, the United Nations has been talking about this extensively over the last few days and they are saying that people in the ground will actually ensure that the aid does just get to the people who need it as opposed to going into the hands of hamas. Hopefully. It is very, very difficult, as youve reported often, gaza is very crowded, it is not very large, israel has demanded that large segment of the population moved to south gaza so they can fight hamas in the north of gaza while humming a small number of civilians. Weve had a United Nations report on the last three days first announcing us was obstructing the movement of people away from the fighting, then announcing hamas was intercepting food and water and then even more worrisome in racing those claims from their website presumably inaudible. I will ask you another question. I hope your line will return. Lets see if we can persevere with ron. I want to ask, he has gone entirely, which is a real shame. Ron hassner, chair in Israel Studies at the university of california, berkeley. We have him back. Are you with us again . I him back. Are you with us auain . Him back. Are you with us aiain . ,. , him back. Are you with us aain . Him back. Are you with us aiain . , y. ,. , you again . I can hear you are. You froze for again . I can hear you are. You froze for a again . I can hear you are. You froze for a moment. Again . I can hear you are. You froze for a moment. I again . I can hear you are. You froze for a moment. I wanted | again . I can hear you are. You i froze for a moment. I wanted to ask you before you let you go about what you think might happen next. You talked about the fact that you believe President Biden was successful in deterring this from spreading further to iran getting involved so far. However, arab leaders did not meet with the president following the terrible attack on the hospital, if you call an attack or whichever side was responsible for that, so what you think might happen next . It was a tragedy regardless of who is responsible. It is a shame the media immediately linked to conclusion which we now know are not true. All evidence coming from european and western Intelligence Services point at Islamichhad Including A Recording by islamichhad members documenting the fact this was one of their rockets. It is not surprising given the speed with which the Media Accused israel but arab leaders were only to meet with biden and thats an awful shame because this might have been an opportunity to forge something possible part of this terrible tragedy, namely talk about arrangement after hamas is dismantled. Hamas will survive this, there is no scenario in which hamas walks away. Is no scenario in which hamas walks away walks away. Crosstalk. The plan walks away. Cross

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