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Were wounded by gunshots. Our Diplomatic Correspondent paul adams has the latest. How were so many people injured . Were they shot or crushed in a desperate stampede . At gazas shifa hospital, theres evidence of both. This hospital is treating more than 200 people that were injured. We have seen people with gunshot wounds. We have seen amputees and we have seen children as young as 12. These events cannot be allowed to go on. Jihad is haunted by what he saw when the convoy arrived on thursday morning. Were the soldiers firing deliberately . Hes asked. Yes. With tanks, soldiers, aircraft. Why the shooting started is not yet properly understood. The crowds were huge. Tanks were present. Theres no evidence of aircraft being involved. The un finally reached gaza city yesterday, taking badly needed fuel and medicine to shifa hospital, demanding israel do more to open up the north. But air drops are no substitute for a proper relief effort. No matter where we go into north gaza from or indeed all of the gaza strip. It could be from air, land, sea. It doesnt matter, as long as there is enough aid to help the more than two Million People here. Israels closest allies are now sounding increasingly openly frustrated. Aid flowing to gaza is nowhere nearly enough. Now, its nowhere near enough. The president with a cease fire, but dreadful scenes today. The president with a ceasefire, but dreadful scenes today. The president with a ceasefire, but dreadful scenes today. Gazas Health Ministry says dreadful scenes today. Gazas Health Ministry says this dreadful scenes today. Gazas Health Ministry says this was dreadful scenes today. Gazas Health Ministry says this was an dreadful scenes today. Gazas Health Ministry says this was an air Ministry Says this was an air strike, the Israeli Military yet to comment. Families and friends of israeli hostages mark onjerusalem, there is talk of a fresh round of negotiations in cairo tomorrow. Paul adams, bbc news, jerusalem. Kamala harris is due to meet with an israeli leader, the meeting will take place at the white house and that comes as washington seeks a Dealfor A Temporary and that comes as washington seeks a deal for a temporary and increase the flow of into gaza. And we can speak to our Diplomatic Correspondent Paul Adams Whojoins us from jerusalem. What do you make of this meeting that we just heard about between the Vice President Kamala Harris and benny gantz on monday . Will its not quite the same as meeting president biden, obviously, buti quite the same as meeting president biden, obviously, but i think it is being suggested here that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is not terribly happy, he thinks there is only one Prime Minister and i think he probably is a little concerned that benny gantz who could well be a clinical rival in the not too distant future is going to the white house for talks with the american administration. Mr american administration. Ij� i netanyahu, american administration. M netanyahu, by the way, we are told has a case of the flu and wont be chairing tomorrow evenings meeting of the security cabinet. But whether these internal political shenanigans result in some kind of challenge to mr netanyahu, i think thats probably a story for another day. Yeah, were also hearing from the us officials in the past hour or so that a framework for a deal that would establish a six week cease fire in gaza is in place, they said with israels agreement, and it now depends on how mass agreeing to conditions. What do you understand could be perhaps coming into play right now . Could be perhaps coming into play riaht now . ~ ,. , could be perhaps coming into play riaht now . ~ y. ,. , ~ right now . Well, you would think that the omens right now . Well, you would think that the omens are right now . Well, you would think that the omens are not right now . Well, you would think that the omens are not exactly i right now . Well, you would think. That the omens are not exactly great for the conclusion of a Cease Fire Deal with all of the horrors that we have seen in gaza this week, and yet, may be, it is helping the process to move along. Clearly the United States is extremely frustrated at the fact that worsening humanitarian situation in gaza directly led to what we saw on the edge of gaza city in the early hours of thursday morning. And it really, really wants to avoid that happening again. And theres a realisation, a strong growing realisation, a strong growing realisation that the only way to avoid it happening again is to flood the gaza strip with the aid, and the only way that is possible is if there is a cease fire. No other change in the circumstances on the ground could possibly result in an effective Aid Operation that would relieve the suffering of 2. 2 million palestinians. There has to be a cease fire and so i think we are seeing pressure coming from washington on the Israeli Government to conclude that deal soon, before the beginning of ramadan in a weeks time. And of Course Pressure on hamas, too, to abide by the terms of the deal. There are an awful lot of moving parts to this negotiation in terms of how many hostages will be released, for how many palestinian prisoners. Will the people of gaza, the northern part of the gaza strip be able to return to their homes . All of these things are in play, all of these things have to be addressed before a deal is in place. But it does seem tonight as if perhaps, just perhaps, we are moving in that direction. , just perhaps, we are moving in that direction. , ,. ,. , direction. Paul, as you reported on, the us military direction. Paul, as you reported on, the us military carried direction. Paul, as you reported on, the us military carried out direction. Paul, as you reported on, the us military carried out their the us military carried out their first airdrop of aid into gaza on saturday, today. Other countries have done that, including jordan and france. What are you making of the fact the us has done this now, will there be more, will it Make A Difference . There be more, will it Make A Difference . ~. ,. , �. , ~ difference . Well, no, it wont Make A Difference difference . Well, no, it wont Make A Difference. 36,000 difference . Well, no, it wont Make A Difference. 36,000 meals difference . Well, no, it wont Make A Difference. 36,000 meals to difference . Well, no, it wont Make A Difference. 36,000 meals to go i a difference. 36,000 meals to go round 2. 2 Million People, you know, its just not round 2. 2 Million People, you know, itsjust not going round 2. 2 Million People, you know, its just not going to get you very far. I think it is, as i said in my report, a desperate measure, a sign that, frankly, countries are grasping at any mechanisms they can find to make even the smallest bit of difference. And it perhaps sends a political message, too, that here is israels closest ally, reduced to dropping aid from the air when it cant be brought in by land. That is a powerful message, and not a positive one at all. But i think it is symptomatic of the growing frustration that exists now about the inability to get aid to the people who need it so badly. Pauli people who need it so badly. Paul adams, people who need it so badly. Paul adams. And people who need it so badly. Paul adams, and jerusalem. Thank you. Some news about the attacks that have been taking place on shipping vessels off the coast of yemen. The uk Maritime Trade Agency says theres been an attack 15 nautical miles west of the yemeni port of mokha. The crew of the vessel has been evacuated. Separately, the cargo ship rubymar, which was abandoned In The Red Sea after being targeted by Houthi Rebels has now sunk thats according to the yemeni government. Here, the government is expected to lay out measures in the coming weeks to tackle what it sees as rising extremism in the uk. It follows as uk Prime Minister rishi sunak warned that britains democracy is under threat from islamist extremists and the far right. In an address outside Downing Street he said the government and country must face down the extremists. Mr sunak� s unexpected intervention follows the by election victory of the controversial far left politician george galloway. Jonathan hall kc,the independent reviewer of state threat legislation gave his assessment on Prime Ministers speech. I think that he was trying to say to the police theres a big problem here. So i think he was trying to articulate the urgency of the situation as i think the government sees it and i think the opposition as well. And when i say emergency, what i mean is the threats to mps in particular and the threats to public life. So it wasnt a speech where he was laying out, at least to my ear, some very precise policy solutions, but he was drawing attention to the problem. The difficulty about extremism is that its difficult to show with much extremism, actually, that the ultimate destination is violence. And you could have someone who campaigns to bring about the end of democracy, but does so in a very peaceful way and says they didnt use violence. And the government and this is not just this government, and the government and this is not just this government, but its true of, i think all governments its gone back almost ten years now, has always struggled to put a definition on on extremism, because they say its not so much about the destination violence, which we understand its about about the destination of violence, which we understand its about the destination of something else. And i mean, the ways in which ive seen it, the attempts to define it. I think you can sort of do it in two ways. You can either say, what are the values that we hold dear in britain . And anyone who doesnt agree with those values is therefore an extremist. Now, that is difficult because you might take, i dont know, as a Touchstone Tolerance towards people being gay. Now, i mean, the majority of people in the uk have no difficulty at all with being tolerant. But of course there are people, i mean, lets say people motivated by religious views could be, you know, orthodoxjews or christians or muslims who would say no. And that cant be a test of whether we are extremists. Otherwise, you would literally be saying someone who believes that homosexuality is a sin, as some people unfortunately do, that you are an extremist. And its always been quite hard to work out what those what those values are. So the other way of doing it is to say, lets look at the institutions, lets try and protect the institutions of the country against being undermined. Thats also difficult because obviously our institutions include the monarchy, they include the house of lords. And you dont really i think you cant really say that someone who campaigns for the abolition of the monarchy is therefore an extremist. And that would encroach far too much, wouldnt it, into just free speech and free thought. Germans chancellor says his government is intensively germanys chancellor says his government is intensively investigating an apparent intercept of military officers discussing details about the conflict in ukraine. Olaf scholz, whos been meeting with the pope at the vatican, called it a very serious matter. It follows the publication in russia of whats purported to be a confidential conversation between german officers. In the recording, the participants discuss suppling to ukraine german made taurus Cruise Missiles that were meant to be used for a Potential Strike by kyiv on a bridge in crimea. Russias Foreign Ministry has demanded an explanation from berlin about the contents of the recording. Lets speak now to dr Thomas Withington who is an analyst and writer specialising in electronic warfare, radar and military communications. Welcome, good to have you on the programme. What is your analysis of this claim by moscow . Its programme. What is your analysis of this claim by moscow . This claim by moscow . Its very interesting. This claim by moscow . Its very interesting, isnt this claim by moscow . Its very interesting, isnt it . This claim by moscow . Its very interesting, isnt it . I this claim by moscow . Its very interesting, isnt it . I read this claim by moscow . Its very interesting, isnt it . I read the| interesting, isnt it . I read the transcript this afternoon and i must say that going through it, i didnt find anything in there that was sort of staggeringly revelatory, i think it would be fair to say. It was a discussion, i think, it would be fair to say. It was a discussion, ithink, assuming it is true and it is indeed an intercept that russia has performed, a very sober discussion regarding the challenges of supplying these weapons. Many of which have been already discussed in the public domain. So i think there was nothing terribly, as i said, revelatory about it. I think the interesting thing is, if russia has the capability to regularly intercept German Military communications, and Strategic Communications like this, thats something a question i have, and its very difficult to answer that. Its russian, from a russian source, we cant discount the fact that it could be nonsense, we cant discount the fact that some of it is correct, it rests has been embellished, its very hard to say. The fact that germans have launched an investigation, as you mentioned just now, that would seem to indicate there is some concern about this, and that may be a tacit admission that this is indeed the transcript of a conversation that did indeed take place. If transcript of a conversation that did indeed take place. Iii It Transcript of a conversation that did indeed take place. Did indeed take place. If it is an intercept. Did indeed take place. If it is an intercept, how did indeed take place. If it is an intercept, how easy did indeed take place. If it is an intercept, how easy or did indeed take place. If it is an intercept, how easy or difficult | intercept, how easy or difficult would it be for the russians to have gone about achieving that . Logically, it should be quite difficult because any conversations, Communications Like this should be encrypted and secure. This then begs another question and, which is, was this conversation, assuming it is true, was it deliberately left unencrypted . Sometimes in the Cloak And Dagger world of intelligent something you do is you deliberately put something out there, is this assuming thats the case, an attempt to say, look, Due Diligence is going on, there is a proper discussion regarding supplying these weapons to ukraine and the German Government is taking this extremely seriously and going to the right protocols. So this is another, if you like a Donald Rumsfeld style thing, but it does raise questions as to whether this was supposed to be a confidential conversation clearly that raises questions regarding the security of these communications and whether the right protocols and encryption and Everything Else is being used as it should be. I suppose when a country is at work, perhaps even when it isnt, would you assume always that your enemies are trying to spy on these kind of Confidential Conversations . Yes. Confidential conversations . Yes, there is, thats Confidential Conversations . Yes, there is, thats a Confidential Conversations . Yes, there is, thats a very Confidential Conversations . Yes, there is, thats a very good Confidential Conversations . Ieis there is, thats a very good point. There is a sort of zero trust idea, isnt there, that you should assume that any communications youre making a Heirloom Being listened to, the enemy is getting, potentially getting intelligence from that, but at some point you are going to have to discuss things confidentially and possibly within another level of classification at that. If it is unavoidable using the electronic means of medication we all use every day to have very important and potentially very secret discussions, but it does focus the spotlight on levels of security. This is the first time weve seen other cases were communications that should have been secured, should have been encrypted, warrant and that caused some embarrassment. Its encrypted, warrant and that caused some embarrassment. Encrypted, warrant and that caused some embarrassment. Its been really interestin some embarrassment. Its been really interesting to some embarrassment. Its been really interesting to get some embarrassment. Its been really interesting to get your some embarrassment. Its been really interesting to get your thoughts some embarrassment.

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