Now on bbc news. Newscast hello. Hello, laura. And hello, henry. Hi, henry. Hi. So last night, i was at my friend toms birthday party, and hes a very good amateur poet, and he did a lovely poem saying thank you to everyone whod come to the party. Happy birthday, tom. But hes also a big newscast fan and an even biggerfan of sunday with Laura Kuenssberg. Even happier birthday. So i thought, why not combine all those things together and do a poem about this weeks sunday with Laura Kuenssberg . Oh, my god. Here we go. Are you ready . Howards Double Barrelled Chef on sunday with laura kay. Politicians exaggerations going to get slayed. But first, this breaking news, a picture of recovering kate. But with all the twitter gossip, did it come too late . Rachel reeves bets all on economic growth. Vicky atkins asked why nhs productivity sloweth, but waits this weekend episode has no pad, fear not newscasters you can always call up add. I think thats extremely good, tom. And we all say one and all newscasters, happy birthday, tom. I was going to try and think of something that rhymed, but i cant. So happy birthday. I think what we need is tom for our next episode to rate your poem. 0k. Im just wondering, henry, youll know this. When do they pick the next Poet Laureate . Does the person have to die . I think the are does the person have to die . I think they are on does the person have to die . I think they are on ten does the person have to die . I think they are on ten year does the person have to die . I think they are on ten year terms. And its been Simon Armitage for a few years. 0r until they fall out with someone or say the wrong thing. So we have term limits potentially for our Poet Laureate, but not our prime minister. I mean, i dont actually i think we dont know. Well try and find out by the end of todays sunday newscast. Newscast from the bbc. Hello. Its laura in the studio. And its adam in the studio. And its henry at home. And henry, what have you just found out . I have just googled what i confidently asserted earlier. The last two confidently asserted earlier. The last two Poet Laureates did ten years last two Poet Laureates did ten years in last two Poet Laureates did ten years in the job which suggests adam will be years in the job which suggests adam will be free years in the job which suggests adam will be free to become Poet Laureate in 2029 will be free to become Poet Laureate in 2029 all will be free to become Poet Laureate in 2029. � ,. , will be free to become Poet Laureate in 2029 what in 2029. A ten year tenure. What were ou looking for in your interview with Rachel Reeves which was different this year because it came after the budget rather than before . We wanted to t budget rather than before . We wanted Tot To Net Budget rather than before . We wanted to try to get her budget rather than before . We wanted to try to get her to budget rather than before . We wanted to try to get her to explain budget rather than before . We wanted to try to get her to explain as budget rather than before . We wanted to try to get her to explain as much to try to get her to explain as much as she is willing to, you may be a little bit more, to the audience about what she would do if she was lucky enough to win the election with the labour party a move into number 11, with the labour party a move into number, or with the labour party a move into numberii, orthat with the labour party a move into number 11, or that she was coy about whether she would move into number 11. Labour is in this tricky position, for Rachel Reevess own economic and political beliefs, largely following the tories spending rules is the right thing to do. She absolutely believes that for economic and political reasons because butchers dont look at labour and think they do not spend enough, they think they are probably going to spend more. However, she has a problem politically. On the left a lot of people on the labour party say we should stem because Public Services are on their knees, there is a different problem politically because some voters say i look at both of you and you are the same. We were trying to get her to open up a bit more about some of the things she wants to do, how close she is to the conservatives and in the context of the budget this week, where the Missing Tomb Impounds was going to come from . The impounds was going to come from . Tue government Made Impounds was going to come from . Tt2 government made its announcement on wednesday, it is now sunday. I was doing the work properly and notjust blocking numbers out of the air but i was methodically going through all the government documents to identify the government documents to identify the funding streams or my sums add up. If there is one thing you and your viewers know about me, everything in our manifesto will be fully costed and funded, including this pledge and i will do the work properly, as i always do, to make sure our sums add up. Properly, as i always do, to make sure our sums add up. Lets make sure our sums add up. Lets make sure our sums add up. Lets make sure our sums sure our sums add up. Lets make sure our sums are sure our sums add up. Lets make sure our sums are adding sure our sums add up. Lets make sure our sums are adding up. Sure our sums add up. Lets make i sure our sums are adding up. Jeremy sure our sums are adding up. Jeremy hunt still sure our sums are adding up. Jeremy hunt still the policy of changing the taxation of non doms, people who live the taxation of non doms, people who live in the taxation of non doms, people who Live In The Uk but dont pay tax on the who Live In The Uk but dont pay tax on the overseas earnings, plus spending on the overseas earnings, plus spending government money to cut National Spending government money to cut National Insurance because that is how tax National Insurance because that is how tax cuts work. That makes the black how tax cuts work. That makes the black hole how tax cuts work. That makes the black hole for labour slightly higgeh black hole for labour slightly bigger. What is your back of the envelope bigger. What is your back of the Envelope Calculation of how far down they are . Envelope calculation of how far down they are . It Envelope Calculation of how far down the are . ,. ,. , Envelope Calculation of how far down the are . ,. ,. , they are . It is a couple of billion ounds they are . It is a couple of billion pounds because they are . It is a couple of billion pounds because the they are . It is a couple of billion pounds because the nondom i they are . It is a couple of billionl pounds because the nondom tax pounds because the non dom tax abolition, which labour said they would do, Butjeremy Hunt has got ahead of them and done, was specifically hypothesised for particular policies. Labour said that would fund a host of policies to deal with the nhs and Breakfast Clubs in primary schools. That costs roughly a couple of billion pounds on a labour� s estimates and act as a couple of billion pounds they are going to have to raise elsewhere because they said very quickly after the budget, they are still committed to the spending plans. I think Rachel Reeves would have been politically negligent if she hadnt given at least a little bit of thought to what alternative ways they might raise the money if the government ended up going back on its previous policies and abolishing non dom tax. What i felt really interesting in her interview was she was almost trying to make a virtue of the fact she will not tell us. She is saying you know me, i am methodical, im going to go through this slowly, she is trying to say the fact labour hasnt quickly said how they are going to fund it instead as a sign of her fiscal prudence and responsibility. That is an interesting Comms Manoeuvre that she is trying to pull off. I suspect were actually lies beneath it as they worry if they come out now and say this is how were going to fund it instead, and every general election doesnt take place until after the next fiscal event, after the october statement, the there might be the conservatives will make that Revenue Raiser as well. We might be the conservatives will make that Revenue Raiser as well. That Revenue Raiser as well. We are in this weird that Revenue Raiser as well. We are in this weird limbo that Revenue Raiser as well. We are in this weird limbo for that Revenue Raiser as well. We are in this weird limbo for both in this weird limbo for both parties, whereas they dont want to put too much out into the public domain, labour because they are worried about the Tories Nicking it and they dont want there to be mental levels of scrutiny that there would be in an election campaign. They dont want that right now. For the tories, it is like dangling this, we are getting rid of National Insurance in the course of the parliament, and they are doubling down an interview with the sunday times today. But in political terms, we are still miles of from getting into the manifestos, the parties do not want to give us the whole story. We are in this weird limbo period which is one of the reasons why will we try to press Rachel Reeves today, i think quite rightly, would she admit if they win the election there will not be lots of extra money for Public Services, but some bits of government would see real terms cuts. I tried very hard to get her to confirm that today. She did tacitly say yes in code, lets have a listen. fist tacitly say yes in code, lets have a listen. �. , a listen. At the moment the government a listen. At the moment the government had a listen. At the moment the government had not a listen. At the moment the government had not set a listen. At the moment the government had not set out a listen. At the moment the government had not set out their plans by individual departments so we havent got a Spending Review. I will do a Spending Review quickly if we win the election but that is not something that is possible to do from opposition, but i do know that Public Services need more money, thatis Public Services need more money, that is why we will make that initial injection. Remember the Office For Budget Responsibility forecasts are based on the government because my plans and they do not include our competitive plan to grow the economy. Do not include our competitive plan to grow the economy. There is a lot auoin on to grow the economy. There is a lot going on there to grow the economy. There is a lot going on there i to grow the economy. There is a lot going on there. I heard to grow the economy. There is a lot going on there. I heard that to grow the economy. There is a lot going on there. I heard that three l going on there. I heard that three times going on there. I heard that three times and going on there. I heard that three times and i going on there. I heard that three times and i couldnt do the coding. If times and i couldnt do the coding. If you times and i couldnt do the coding. If you out times and i couldnt do the coding. If you put that together it was something she said later on, she said we will not be able to do things as quickly as we want to and it might be slower with then i would like. I am it might be slower with then i would like. Iam paraphrasing. She sort it might be slower with then i would like. I am paraphrasing. She sort of tacitly said yes, in some bits of government it might be Eye Watering Weak tight. What she also is saying is true, she doesnt know and we dont know what the numbers will look like by the time of the general election. Lets hope the economy is looking perkier than it is now. But i suppose what we were trying to drive at is what her instinct is, as and when growth turns up. What is her instinct, to give everyone a bit more back to keep more of their own cash, or is it to put money as soon as they can enter Public Services. There is a little bit they have earmarked, and it is a huge amount of money, 1. 7 billion, but in the context of the government budget, it is a rounding error, the treasury would see, we were trying to get your instincts and she did tacitly say today yes, the first year if we win might be absolutely horrific. But to sweeten the pill there will be a but to sweeten the pill there will he a cash but to sweeten the pill there will be a cash injection. To but to sweeten the pill there will be a cash injection. But to sweeten the pill there will be a cash injection. Be a cash inection. To sweeten the ill there be a cash injection. To sweeten the pill there will be a cash injection. To sweeten the pill there will be be a cash injection. To sweeten the pill there will be a be a cash injection. To sweeten the pill there will be a top be a cash injection. To sweeten the pill there will be a top up pill there will be a top up somewhere and my instinct is as soon as i possibly can to put more money into Public Services but henry you might disagree, when you watch at home, different people take different things. Home, different people take different thins. ~ different things. One thing i think is certainly. Different things. One thing i think is certainly. A different things. One thing i think is certainly, a little different things. One thing i think is certainly, a little bit different things. One thing i think is certainly, a little bit over is certainly, a little bit over optimistic in what she said there was the all br do not factor in this stage labours plans to grow the economy is that things might be more generous than they look at the moment. Even on labour because my own terms, the plants to grow the economy, which until reform of various Public Services and reform of the planning system, that is not going to bear fruit, of the planning system, that is not going to bearfruit, even if you are extremely optimistic about it, for several years. Extremely optimistic about it, for severalyears. I extremely optimistic about it, for several years. I do not think that affects the years, for the public spending and the look labour had available. Forthat spending and the look labour had available. For that reason, spending and the look labour had available. Forthat reason, one thing that increasingly crops up when i speak to labour people about the plausible scenario by which they are in government by the end of the year, there are going to be really unpopular, that is what labour people there, very early on because a lot of people have voted for them thinking things will very quickly feel different and actually because of a combination of the circumstances which they will inherit, but labour because my own choices about how to respond to these circumstances, they think for a while, perhaps years, after getting into government, things will feel pretty similar to how they feel at the moment, especially or including in this crucial Public Services. That is so interesting because my ears picked up when she talked about tony blair and education. I rememberwhen talked about tony blair and education. I remember when his name was banned from being mentioned by politicians. 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