Tell thank you for being with us. Can you tell them a verse about where we are at with the Transitional Council and how quickly it will be in place . From my perspective, im not in haiti, i dont know, from my perspective it will be a tobacco because when you look at it, there are other ways to convince the haitian Sitting Surgery to get back into Good Governance, which is, they havent done Good Governance for the past 200 plus years my since the independence of haiti, we killed the leader who but the independence, so haitians have to learn to lead in a country where you have it democratic republic. Country where you have it democratic re ublic. , country where you have it democratic reublic. , ,. , republic. This is the problem, theres been republic. This is the problem, theres been no republic. This is the problem, theres been no direction republic. This is the problem, | theres been no direction since 2016, so is difficult to know who the leadership is and who people want. ,. ,. , want. The International Community was there since want. The International Community was there since 2016, want. The International Community was there since 2016, they want. The International Community was there since 2016, they chose l want. The International Community l was there since 2016, they chose not to perhaps convince the haitian government at the time to have elections. They did the same thing ten years ago, so the question for the International Community is not when there is a problem that becomes out of hand, totally out of hand, then you go and say they will do this and that to fix the problem, they should comedy the haitian people accompanied the haitian people accompanied the haitian people through the posse so haitian people through the posse so haitian people can learn to government themselves properly. Themselves properly. There is a situation out where themselves properly. There is a situation out where this themselves properly. There is a situation out where this guy situation out where this guy barbeque, who i think was a former riot police officer, is now calling the shots and saying he wants a deal that takes the convicts in prison, you cant have a situation like that can you . {131 you cant have a situation like that can ou . ,. , you cant have a situation like that can ou . ,. , can you . Of course not, but if you look at it, can you . Of course not, but if you look at it. On can you . Of course not, but if you look at it, on one can you . Of course not, but if you look at it, on one hand, can you . Of course not, but if you look at it, on one hand, Barbequei Look at it, on one hand, barbeque and his gang and other gangs have weapons of war, on the other hand, the Haitian Police does not have weapons of war and the haitian military does not have weapons of war, because the United States has imposed an embargo since 1995 on the Haitian Police and on the haitian military. In fact, they convinced a president to dismantle the haitian military. 50 president to dismantle the haitian milita. ,. , military. So there in a position where their military. So there in a position where their beginning military. So there in a position where their Beginning Canyon | military. So there in a position where their beginning Canyon Police officers and its an extraordinary amount of money that the americans are spending on in bringing these officers over, can they restore stability, 1000 Police Officers who were essentially going into a war zone . ,. ,. , ~ , were essentially going into a war zone . ,. ,. ,~ ,. , zone . You are right, it makes no sense at all zone . You are right, it makes no sense at all. Jacques zone . You are right, it makes no sense at all. Jacques jonassaint, | sense at all. Jacques jonassaint, Thank Ou Sense at all. Jacques jonassaint, thank you for sense at all. Jacques jonassaint, thank you for that, sense at all. Jacques jonassaint, thank you for that, good sense at all. Jacques jonassaint, thank you for that, good context sense at all. Jacques jonassaint,. Thank you for that, good context for what we want to talk about next. The Biden Administration has proposed using Guantanamo Bay to process haitian migrants, if there is a mass exodus to the us. Migrants have in the past attempted to reach florida by sea, which is a dangerous crossing. The idea would be to intercept those boats and transfer the people to guantanamo which does have a Migrant Centre separate to the terrorist unit. They have used it before to process migrants before returning them to haiti or a third country. Whenever i think of going bay, i think of people in orange jumpsuits and the fact that a Biden Administration is happy for that sort of image to be given to American Voters tell you how concerned they are about migration. You are right, christine, the Biden Administration is hugely concerned about images of haitians both in up to landings, coming to the shore in florida and the governor of florida has already activated state National Guard folks there in preparation of that. The Biden Administration does not want that, but it was fascinating listening to our guest. We talked about ukraine and what is going on in gaza, trying to wrap your hands around your arms around haiti and how amount from its very existence, from its very independence, it is not done what it needs to do, and the International Community has not made it any better. Its such an impossible task. 3 better. Its such an impossible task. 5 . ,. ,. , better. Its such an impossible task. 5 . ,. ,. ,. , task. 3 Million People who only have one, i think task. 3 Million People who only have one, i think i task. 3 Million People who only have one, i thinki read task. 3 Million People who only have one, i think i read today, task. 3 Million People who only have one, i think i read today, theres one, i think i read today, theres only One Working Hospital now up to 15, is a desperate position, and the points he made about the army not having it means to fight the gang leaders, that is an unsustainable position, and i know that sec. Antony blinken is trying to find solutions in the most Innovative Solutions in the most Innovative Solution is to find to send the canyons, but you just heard, its not going to work. It canyons, but youjust heard, its not going to work. Canyons, but youjust heard, its not going to work. It would not work and it is a bandaid, not going to work. It would not work and it is a bandaid, and not going to work. It would not work and it is a bandaid, and it not going to work. It would not work and it is a bandaid, and it would i and it is a band aid, and it would not even work as well as a band aid. Things are out of hand right now. What can we do . And for biden to even suggest Guantanamo Bay, which logistically might make a little sense, thatsjust logistically might make a little sense, thats just not going to make it a difference at all. The sense, thatsjust not going to make it a difference at all. It a difference at all. The point is, nathalie, it a difference at all. The point is, nathalie, and it a difference at all. The point is, nathalie, and we it a difference at all. The point is, nathalie, and we considerl is, nathalie, and we consider related issue. We never really found a solution to looking after those trying to escape persecution and dealing with a separate issue of mass work migration, which is where we are at the president has to suggest Something LikeGuantanamo Bay to reassure people there would not be more people coming. This oints to not be more people coming. This points to the not be more people coming. This points to the fact, not be more people coming. This points to the fact, it points to why it is so points to the fact, it points to why it is so difficult to disentangle these it is so difficult to disentangle these issues, so in a case like this, these issues, so in a case like this, clearly you have people fleeing this, clearly you have people fleeing because, indeed, a situation of deep fleeing because, indeed, a situation of deep insecurity, yet there will be of deep insecurity, yet there will he others of deep insecurity, yet there will be others that will be fleeing alongside them. To me, the story also points, alongside them. To me, the story also points, we keep talking over the International Community, by which the International Community, by which we the International Community, by which we largely are thinking about the western, the us and its allies, but this the western, the us and its allies, but this Guantanamo Bay pointe and the migration also tell us to other bits of the migration also tell us to other bits of the the migration also tell us to other bits of the story. On the one hand, with migration been a hot topic at the beginning of an election campaign, biden has to be preoccupied with this dimension, second preoccupied with this dimension, second point is in the sense, it also second point is in the sense, it also points second point is in the sense, it also points to the fact that we are worried also points to the fact that we are worried about migration and the consequences of something, but where is a Total Consequences of something, but where is a total loss as to what we actually is a total loss as to what we actually need to do. Its not the first time actually need to do. Its not the first time haiti, has been said, been first time haiti, has been said, been in first time haiti, has been said, been in this situation, but once upon been in this situation, but once upon a been in this situation, but Once Upon A Time there was an International Community. The first the International Community. The first the problem of the world we live in, the problem of the world we live in. We the problem of the world we live in. We keep the problem of the world we live in, we keep talking about an International Community, but there are no International Community, but there are no real International Community, but there are no real powers willing to take responsibility for that. Look are no real powers willing to take responsibility for that. Are no real powers willing to take responsibility for that. Look how we diserse responsibility for that. Look how we disperse migrants responsibility for that. Look how we disperse migrants across responsibility for that. Look how we disperse migrants across europe. Disperse migrants across europe which brings me to the next point i want to raise. In a related issue at least 60 migrants have died after a Rubber Dinghy ran into trouble in the Mediterranean Sea. They told their rescuers that they had set off for italy from the libyan coast several days before they were rescued. Sofia bettiza has the details. Last friday, a group of migrants set off from libya on a dinghy hoping to reach italy, but their engine broke down, and because of that, they were stranded at sea for four days. They were waiting, hoping to be rescued, but they started to die one by one because they didnt have any food or water. Now, this is just the latest tragedy in the Mediterranean Sea. And the International Organisation for migration says that 2023 was the deadliest year for migrants on record. The Un Agency Says that in 2023, at least 8,565 people died on migration routes. And that death toll, that number is a 20 increase compared to 2022. Now, what this latest Tragedy Shows is that despite all these risks, thousands of people are still willing to risk everything to cross the Mediterranean Sea in the hope for a better life in europe. Thanks to sophia for that, a good basis for this discussion, and you talk about International Coordination, nathalie, the italian pre minister, giorgia meloni, came to power, and send to reduce the level of migration, it is going the other way, she cannot get help from the french and german so she turned to albania, and lots of these people are now being redirected to albanian cams, ijust had a piece of copy here from a Surveillance Team that looks over the military and sea, they spotted the dinghy on friday but had to go and refueled and alerted the europeans no one picked it up so 60 people died. That is the International Coordination that everyone effectively wants to push the boat out and it not be there problem. The boat out and it not be there roblem. ,. , problem. Here we are at the time in which the numbers, problem. Here we are at the time in which the numbers, as problem. Here we are at the time in which the numbers, as was problem. Here we are at the time in which the numbers, as was said, problem. Here we are at the time in which the numbers, as was said, for 2023, which the numbers, as was said, for 2023, not which the numbers, as was said, for 2023, not only did numbers of people who died 2023, not only did numbers of people who died but the number of people who died but the number of people who arrived, we are back at the levels who arrived, we are back at the levels of who arrived, we are back at the levels of 2016. This was pretty much also at levels of 2016. This was pretty much also at the levels of 2016. This was pretty much also at the height of the so called migration also at the height of the so called migration crisis, so you have a right migration crisis, so you have a right wing migration crisis, so you have a right wing governor, giorgia meloni, saying right wing governor, giorgia meloni, saying she right wing governor, giorgia meloni, saying she needs a block migration, she is saying she needs a block migration, she is no saying she needs a block migration, she is no been in power for a year and a she is no been in power for a year and a half she is no been in power for a year and a half and it she is no been in power for a year and a halfand it numbers she is no been in power for a year and a half and it numbers are and a halfand it numbers are back up and a halfand it numbers are back upto and a halfand it numbers are back uptowhere and a half and it numbers are back up to where they were a decade ago, so it is up to where they were a decade ago, so it is basically the context. What is the so it is basically the context. What is the difficulty was marked i dont think is the difficulty was marked i dont think this is the difficulty was marked i dont think this adding up the idea that the french and germans will want to do their the french and germans will want to do their hit. The french and germans will want to do their bit, the real problem it is giorgia do their bit, the real problem it is Giorgia Melonis friend, viktor orhan. Giorgia melonis friend, viktor orban, basically. Giorgia melonis friend, viktor orban, basically. They would say the are orban, basically. They would say they are taking orban, basically. They would say they are taking plenty orban, basically. They would say they are taking plenty of they are taking plenty of ukrainians, i spoke to resident due to last week and he made that point. This is where the problem is, for poland. This is where the problem is, for poland. Not this is where the problem is, for poland, not for hungry, you have people poland, not for hungry, you have people like poland, not for hungry, you have people like george or madonna saying they have people like george or madonna saying they have to solve the problem, so how do they have to solve the problem, so how do we they have to solve the problem, so how do we solve it, externally. Whether how do we solve it, externally. Whether it how do we solve it, externally. Whether it is albania or tunisia, we pay a whether it is albania or tunisia, we pay a hit whether it is albania or tunisia, we pay a hit of whether it is albania or tunisia, we pay a bit of cash for countries to keep pay a bit of cash for countries to keep these pay a bit of cash for countries to keep these migrants. The truth is theres keep these migrants. The truth is theres one keep these migrants. The truth is theres one example in which this approach theres one example in which this approach has worked, is turkey. Gn approach has worked, is turkey. On the approach has worked, is turkey. The final approach has worked, is turkey. On the final point, joe, the United States doesnt have allies on this issue for people coming across the mexico border, not really 2. 5 million in a year, the only solution either president