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BBCNEWS The July 3, 2024

Rejected the report. And huw edwards has resigned from the bbc. He says he is leaving on the medical advice of his doctors. He had been off air since lastjuly. The bbc has confirmed that he has not received a payoff as part of his departure. So we could be in for a late night in westminster. Let me tell you what has been happening in the last few minutes. There has been another bout, another division in the House Of Lords. I think i can show you live pictures from the lords. They have voted 240 in favour, 2ii have voted 240 in favour, 211 against on resubmitting an amendment to the bill. This was the amendment that would mean rwanda could only be declared a safe country after an independent report. The Second Amendment which was removed from the bill earlier as part of this ping pong process where it goes from the comments to the lords, the Second Amendment on whether or not afghan veterans who had served with uk forces should be allowed to stay in the country. The government has made some movement on that to the satisfaction of the labour peers, so it would appear that amendment has been dropped. Just won an amendment so far. It goes back to the comments to be debated. Lets go to the lobby and speak to peter saul, who has a guest with him in the lobby. On the 90, guest with him in the lobby. On the go, peter. I guest with him in the lobby. On the no, peter. , go, peter. I have ust seen the metaphorical go, peter. I have just seen the metaphorical pingpong go, peter. I have just seen the metaphorical pingpong ball. Go, peter. I have just seen the| metaphorical pingpong ball as go, peter. I have just seen the i metaphorical pingpong ball as it metaphorical Ping Pong Ball as it were passing from the lords to the House Of Commons, a man wearing tales carrying the actual legislation printed out the pieces of paper wrapped in a red ribbon, so thatis of paper wrapped in a red ribbon, so that is the amendment that has just been passed by the House Of Lords. It is not over yet but i think we are into the final straight now, bearing in mind some months ago there were ten different amendments that it be passed by the House Of Lords. That has been gradually whittled down and it is just that one amendment that is left now. The House Of Commons in an hour or so pass time will presumably reject that amendment, said it back to the lords. There is some expectation that that will be eight. The red benches but ultimately back down, which means this legislation goes on the Statute Book Ad rishi sunak� s timetable, he says that in 10 12 weeks, although that is effectively him breaking his promise of it being by the end of the spring, that will eventually happen, he hopes, over the summer. Flights taking off regularly. Lets get an snp perspective. Kirsten, your party is obviously strongly opposed to this plan fundamentally. What will your feelings be when this legislation actually gets onto the Statute Books . ,. ,. , actually gets onto the Statute Books . ,. , ,. Actually gets onto the Statute Books . , ,. , books . This is a grotesque piece of Legislation Books . This is a grotesque piece of legislation it books . This is a grotesque piece of legislation. It is books . This is a grotesque piece of legislation. It is really books . This is a grotesque piece of legislation. It is really deeply legislation. It is really deeply depressing that this is where the uk government has got to. And certainly. Government has got to. And certainly, my colleagues and i will do all certainly, my colleagues and i will do all we certainly, my colleagues and i will do all we can to oppose this and to vote against it. It is such a damaging piece of legislation. It is draconian damaging piece of legislation. It is draconian. It is a shocking way to treat draconian. It is a shocking way to treat human beings who are in their most treat human beings who are in their most vulnerable situation. I think that the most vulnerable situation. I think that the uk government should be deeply that the uk government should be deeply ashamed of its conduct. Unfortunately, it is not. Do you accept that something drastic needs to be done to really reduce the numbers of people who are risking their lives in crossing the English Channel . ,. Channel . They are risking their lives of people channel . They are risking their lives of people are channel . They are risking their lives of people are obviously i channel . They are risking their i lives of people are obviously very desperate and in very desperate situations. The difficulty is the uk government has taken away opportunities for people to make legal opportunities for people to make legal representations and come here via legal legal representations and come here via legal roots, so people are in a desperate via legal roots, so people are in a desperate situation and they are doing desperate situation and they are doing desperate things. And that is very concerning. The loss of life we have very concerning. The loss of life we have all very concerning. The loss of life we have all seen as something that should have all seen as something that should concern us all. But really, what should concern us all. But really, what should be happening is that we should what should be happening is that we should be what should be happening is that we should be looking for a sensible and humane should be looking for a sensible and humane approach to deal with people who are humane approach to deal with people who are trying to come to these islands who are trying to come to these islands. We should not be looking to say that islands. We should not be looking to say that rwanda is a safe place just because say that rwanda is a safe place just because the uk government wants it to he because the uk government wants it to be we because the uk government wants it to be. We should not be looking to deport to be. We should not be looking to deport people there. And realistically, putting all of flat to one realistically, putting all of flat to one side, it is not going to work anyway~ to one side, it is not going to work anyway so to one side, it is not going to work anyway. So there are hundreds, milliohs anyway. So there are hundreds, millions of anyway. So there are hundreds, millions of pounds, hundreds of Milliohs Millions of pounds, hundreds of millions of pounds, hundreds of millions of pounds, hundreds of millions of pounds it had been thrown millions of pounds it had been thrown at millions of pounds it had been thrown at this scheme already to absolutely no end, much more is going absolutely no end, much more is going the absolutely no end, much more is going the same way. And think about peoples going the same way. And think about peoples real needs and priorities, people peoples real needs and priorities, people in peoples real needs and priorities, people in the uk at the moment. This money people in the uk at the moment. This money could people in the uk at the moment. This money could be better spent on mortgage relief, on funds to help people mortgage relief, on funds to help people with the cost of heating their people with the cost of heating their homes, but instead the government is throwing good money after bad government is throwing good money after bad on this scheme which will not work. After bad on this scheme which will not work, which should not work, and which not work, which should not work, and which really not work, which should not work, and which really is a disgraceful way to treat other which really is a disgraceful way to treat other human beings. One criticism levelled treat other human beings. One criticism levelled at treat other human beings. Ole criticism levelled at the Scottish Government is you are opposed to measures to deal with this bug bites issue. You say there should be more legal roots, and yet the allegation is that you are not prepared to take many Asylum Seekers in in scotland, most of them end other parts of the uk. , most of them end other parts of the uk. Y. , most of them end other parts of the uk. ,. , , most of them end other parts of the uk. Sorry to be blunt, but that is absolute nonsense. Uk. Sorry to be blunt, but that is absolute nonsense. The uk. Sorry to be blunt, but that is absolute nonsense. The scottish| absolute nonsense. The Scottish Government is more than its share in terms government is more than its share in terms of government is more than its share in terms of looking after those who flee here~ terms of looking after those who flee here. People in scotland have stepped flee here. People in scotland have stepped up and been happy to do so, to welcome stepped up and been happy to do so, to welcome people to these shores. I think that to welcome people to these shores. I think that is to welcome people to these shores. I think that is something that people in scotland should be commended for. And i in scotland should be commended for. And i have in scotland should be commended for. And i have to say, this rwanda bill, the plants and i have to say, this rwanda bill, the plants this uk government has and the the plants this uk government has and the shocking way they want to treat people, that is not something that can treat people, that is not something that can be treat people, that is not something that can be in scotlands name, that is not that can be in scotlands name, that is not where that can be in scotlands name, that is not where we are and that is not who we is not where we are and that is not who we stand for. fire is not where we are and that is not who we stand for. Is not where we are and that is not who we stand for. Are you prepared to sta u who we stand for. Are you prepared to stay pp all who we stand for. Are you prepared to stay up all night . Who we stand for. Are you prepared to stay up all night . I who we stand for. Are you prepared to stay up all night . I think who we stand for. Are you prepared to stay up all night . I think that to stay up all night . I think that is our ob to stay up all night . I think that is ourjob and to stay up all night . I think that is ourjob and we to stay up all night . I think that is ourjob and we will to stay up all night . I think thatj is ourjob and we will absolutely to stay up all night . I think that i is ourjob and we will absolutely do that if is ourjob and we will absolutely do that if necessary. My colleagues and i will that if necessary. My colleagues and i will take that if necessary. My colleagues and i will take every possible opportunity to oppose this really, really opportunity to oppose this really, really reprehensible piece of legislation. Really reprehensible piece of legislation really reprehensible piece of leaislation. ,. ,. , ~ legislation. Kirsten oswald, thank ou ve legislation. Kirsten oswald, thank you very much legislation. Kirsten oswald, thank you very much there. Legislation. Kirsten oswald, thank you very much there. We legislation. Kirsten oswald, thank you very much there. We have legislation. Kirsten oswald, thank| you very much there. We have had legislation. Kirsten oswald, thank i you very much there. We have had a range of opinions on this highly controversial plan. What matters here is not what is happening in parliament, it is whether or not this policy that has been years in the making, was first dreamt up when borisjohnson was Prime Minister, actually does make a difference in reducing small boat crossings. The Prime Minister is adamant that it will. He has staked an awful lot of money on it, he has put Political Capital on it. He has spent an awful lot of time and effort to try to make this into an effective deterrent. We will wait and see whether over the summer, as he hope it well, this will actually reduce the numbers. It well, this will actually reduce the numbers. , ~ , the numbers. Peter, thank you very much for that. The numbers. Peter, thank you very much for that. Let the numbers. Peter, thank you very much for that. Let me the numbers. Peter, thank you very much for that. Let me bring the numbers. Peter, thank you very much for that. Let me bring in the numbers. Peter, thank you very much for that. Let me bring in our. Much for that. Let me bring in our panel to stop victoria coates, usso jack blanchard, politicos uk editor at large. Good to have you with us. Jack, let me start with you. Do you think it will go through tonight . I think it will go through tonight . I mean, that is the expectation. But as you know, the british Parliamentary System has its quirks and there is nothing more quirky than the House Of Lords. It is a very hard place to predict. It is hard to convince these unelected peers to do what you want when the government, it is hard to whip them and corral them down the voting chamber. But there is this tradition in britain that in the end to the House Of Lords does give way to the will of the house of the comments. It accepts it as an unelected chamber compared to the elected House Of Commons, so, yes, i do think at some point tradition dictates that this will happen. But whether that is ten oclock, ii whether that is ten oclock, 11 oclock, three oclock in the morning, we will have to wait and see. � morning, we will have to wait and see. , morning, we will have to wait and see. �. ,. , morning, we will have to wait and see. ,. , see. And one of those quirks, is it riaht see. And one of those quirks, is it ri. Ht that see. And one of those quirks, is it right that tuesday see. And one of those quirks, is it right that tuesday becomes see. And one of those quirks, is it l right that tuesday becomes monday until the house is adjourned, based on working on a different calendar to the rest of us . It is on working on a different calendar to the rest of us . To the rest of us . It is truly through to the rest of us . It is truly through the to the rest of us . It is truly through the looking to the rest of us . It is truly through the looking glass, | to the rest of us . It is truly i through the looking glass, the to the rest of us . It is truly through the looking glass, the day continues until the days work is done, which means it will continue to be monday until it is finished, evenif to be monday until it is finished, even if it is six oclock on the morning on tuesday. If you are in parliament, it is monday until it is over. ,. ,. , parliament, it is monday until it is over. ,. ,. , over. Victoria, our Political Editor chris mason over. Victoria, our Political Editor chris mason said over. Victoria, our Political Editor chris mason said something chris mason said Something Interesting in the last hour. He said the government is confident that other countries like the uk will look at a similar policy as the uk as it tries to deal with illegal migration. Is this bill and the kind of third Country Option that the uk government wants something that the Us Government will look at . It is a very interesting Us Government will look at . It is a very interesting question, Us Government will look at . It is a very interesting question, and Us Government will look at . It is a very interesting question, and good to be very interesting question, and good to be with very interesting question, and good To Be With You and good to see you, too, jack~ To Be With You and good to see you, too, jack. Obviously we are not strangers too, jack. Obviously we are not strangers either to legislative quirks strangers either to legislative quirks or strangers either to legislative quirks or to the problem of immigration. Ours is a Legal Immigration. Ours is a Legal Immigration across our Southern Border immigration across our Southern Border we immigration across our Southern Border. We have had periods of much higher border. We have had periods of much higher deportations than we have had under higher deportations than we have had under the higher deportations than we have had under the biden administration, which under the biden administration, which has under the biden administration, which has really basically opened our border for unfettered migration into the our border for unfettered migration into the United States, and we are starting into the United States, and we are starting to into the United States, and we are starting to see some real problems with that starting to see some real problems with that i starting to see some real problems with that. I think it is a shared problem with that. I think it is a shared problem i with that. I think it is a shared problem. I do think the nature of our problems are somewhat different. We would our problems are somewhat different. We would probably have a different fix. , ,. ,. , fix. Just in terms of the border, the southern fix. Just in terms of the border, the Southern Border, fix. Just in terms of the border, the Southern Border, there fix. Just in terms of the border, | the Southern Border, there does fix. Just in terms of the border, the Southern Border, there does need to be a fix, and of course when we watch the bills going through the house on saturday, the things that the republicans wanted were not there. So how do they get a fix now that they have rejected the plan that they have rejected the plan that h

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