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And our Correspondent Simonjones in dover. It isa it is a big question, how does this bill work . To it is a big question, how does this bill work . ,. ,. , bill work . To understand how the bill work . To understand how the bill works or bill work . To understand how the bill works or what bill work . To understand how the bill works or what is bill work . To understand how the bill works or what is soon bill work . To understand how the bill works or what is soon to bill work . To understand how the bill works or what is soon to be. Bill work . To understand how the i bill works or what is soon to be law works, we have to understand the underlying Asylum System that we now have, this is a brand new Assignment System as ofjuly 2023. Very simply it says if a person who wants to claim asylum, that means wants to, they are a refugee, if they come to they are a refugee, if they come to the uk via an irregular or also called a legal route, typically a small boat from france, then they cannot gain status in the uk, they cannot gain status in the uk, they cannot become a refugee of the uk, they cannot claim asylum in the uk. Instead, they must be removed to a third country. That is the underlying law we have as ofjuly 23. The problem for the government was that only one country in the world was going to accept Asylum Seekers to allow them into their country, to process them, to ask are they a refugee or not a refugee, and if they are not a refugee, to send them back to the country they came from and if they are to stay in that country and the only country in the world that would allow that right now is rwanda. In November December last year the Uk Supreme Court says taking this route and removing them to rwanda is unlawful, not because sending someone to a third country of unlawful, it is not, but because rwanda is not a safe country. They listen to the evidence of experts, especially the United Nations that has been working with refugees in rwanda for a few decades and said right now it is not a safe country. The law we saw past quite dramatically and in the very late hours last night said rwanda is and must always be considered a safe country. How this will work in practice as if someone arrives by a small boat and gets a Deportation Order they will be removed to rwanda then the decision makers, anyone who might be looking at this persons claim, can only consider rwanda are safe country, it does not matter any evidence to the contrary, and they cannot consider it. They must send that person to rwanda as a matter of law. I that person to rwanda as a matter of law. ,. ~ that person to rwanda as a matter of law. , that person to rwanda as a matter of law. I will come back to you. Lets no to law. I will come back to you. Lets go to rwanda. Law. I will come back to you. Lets go to rwanda, our law. I will come back to you. Lets go to rwanda, our correspondent| law. I will come back to you. Lets i go to rwanda, our correspondent is therefore us and we have had several people asking that question is Rwanda A Safe Country . I people asking that question is Rwanda A Safe Country . People asking that question is Rwanda A Safe Country . I would say that depends Rwanda A Safe Country . I would say that depends on Rwanda A Safe Country . I would say that depends on who Rwanda A Safe Country . I would say that depends on who you Rwanda A Safe Country . I would say that depends on who you are Rwanda A Safe Country . I would say| that depends on who you are asking and what that depends on who you are asking and what exactly you mean. It is safe and what exactly you mean. It is safe in and what exactly you mean. It is safe in terms of crime, the statistics safe in terms of crime, the statistics show it has a very high safe index, statistics show it has a very high safe index, high on the indices of crime safe index, high on the indices of crime safety for crime and that is something crime safety for crime and that is something that the government often talks about, we are the safest country talks about, we are the safest country in talks about, we are the safest country in the world. I think that is not country in the world. I think that is not so country in the world. I think that is not so far country in the world. I think that is not so far from the truth. As you head is not so far from the truth. As you head the is not so far from the truth. As you head the Supreme Court in britain had some head the Supreme Court in britain had some concerns about safety for refugees had some concerns about safety for refugees and the thing is the concern refugees and the thing is the concern is Asylum Seekers could be deported concern is Asylum Seekers could be deported from the country they had fled, especially if applications in rwanda fled, especially if applications in rwanda were rejected. That is something they have worked on through something they have worked on through this treaty signed in december which basically says thats not going december which basically says thats not going to happen. If your Asylum Application not going to happen. If your Asylum Application is rejected you can stay in the application is rejected you can stay in the country, there are resident permits, in the country, there are resident permits, arrangements for you. That is something the rwandans are now working is something the rwandans are now working through in terms of law. They working through in terms of law. They have working through in terms of law. They have to make changes to their migrant they have to make changes to their migrant and refugee law in order to accommodate that. The Supreme Court also mentioned an incident in 2018 when also mentioned an incident in 2018 when refugees who had come from the democratic when refugees who had come from the Democratic Republic Of The Congo in rwanda Democratic Republic Of The Congo in rwanda where, they demonstrated because rwanda where, they demonstrated because the un cutting their rations and the because the un cutting their rations and the rwandan police, they opened fire and and the rwandan police, they opened fire and killed 12 of them. The government here says that was an isolated government here says that was an isolated incident and has not happened again, Human Rights Watch is said happened again, Human Rights Watch is said perhaps what is more germane as they is said perhaps what is more germane as they dont is said perhaps what is more germane as they dont seem to have been any more as they dont seem to have been any more demonstrations and some of the people more demonstrations and some of the people involved were arrested and jailed people involved were arrested and jailed i people involved were arrested and jailed. I did ask a rwandan official weather jailed. I did ask a rwandan official weather if jailed. I did ask a rwandan official weather if the, when refugees came they would weather if the, when refugees came they would be able to demonstrate to they would be able to demonstrate to the government and she said they could the government and she said they could do the government and she said they could do so the government and she said they could do so based on rwandan law and also legislation. There has been a lot of also legislation. There has been a lot of Criticism Allegations that dissent lot of Criticism Allegations that dissent is repressed in rwanda. That comes dissent is repressed in rwanda. That comes from dissent is repressed in rwanda. That comes from political activists and human comes from political activists and Human Rights Organisations and even when Human Rights Organisations and even when we Human Rights Organisations and even when we were asking people about what they when we were asking people about what they thought about the uk deal they did what they thought about the uk deal they did not want to speak their mind they did not want to speak their mind if they did not want to speak their mind. If they were going to criticise mind. If they were going to criticise the deal unless they could be anonymous. That sort of fear factor be anonymous. That sort of fear factor is be anonymous. That sort of fear factor is there again. It is Something Kigali denies but i would say the Something Kigali denies but i would say the uk has at least acknowledged it and say the uk has at least acknowledged it and said say the uk has at least acknowledged it and said there is some restrictions on freedom of expression, freedom of assembly, but it is unlikely expression, freedom of assembly, but it is unlikely that people who relocate it is unlikely that people who relocate here will be badly treated. That is relocate here will be badly treated. That is the relocate here will be badly treated. That is the calculation on which they that is the calculation on which they are that is the calculation on which they are basing their decision. We are also they are basing their decision. Are also asking the question how has rwanda prepared on a more magical level in terms of where people will stay, whether facilities are like, the Living Conditions are like. Then;r the Living Conditions are like. They have a number the Living Conditions are like. They have a number of the Living Conditions are like. They have a number of Reception Centres waiting, have a number of Reception Centres waiting, i have a number of Reception Centres waiting, i am anyone, have a number of Reception Centres waiting, lam anyone, it have a number of Reception Centres waiting, i am anyone, it is completely kitted out. All the bedrooms have made beds, prayer rugs. Bedrooms have made beds, prayer rugs. A bedrooms have made beds, prayer rugs, a dining room with staff even now, rugs, a dining room with staff even now. A rugs, a dining room with staff even now, a football pitch, a tent, this kind of now, a football pitch, a tent, this kind of Reception Centre is set up to welcome them. The idea is in the longer to welcome them. The idea is in the longer term to welcome them. The idea is in the longer term they would move to some sort of longer term they would move to some sort of other longer term they would move to some sort of other accommodation and the government said it is negotiating access government said it is negotiating access to government said it is negotiating access to arrangements with low cost Housing Access to arrangements with low cost Housing Estates which would become a mix of Housing Estates which would become a mix of migrants and local people but it has mix of migrants and local people but it has denied reports that one of those it has denied reports that one of those estates shown to a uk official has sold those estates shown to a uk official has sold already to locals, the government says the number is not nearty government says the number is not nearly as government says the number is not nearly as high as reported. Nevertheless, we will find out as time nevertheless, we will find out as time goes nevertheless, we will find out as time goes on whether it is hundreds or thousands the uk government wants to send or thousands the uk government wants to send on or thousands the uk government wants to send. On top of that, the deal is they will to send. On top of that, the deal is they will give job training to migrants and also give them some help and migrants and also give them some help and access the job market, a lot of help and access the job market, a lot of it help and access the job market, a lot of it is help and access the job market, a lot of it is focused on services and agriculture lot of it is focused on services and agriculture. But there is some concern agriculture. But there is some concern this would increase competition for scarce jobs so that is one competition for scarce jobs so that is one concern we have federal some people is one concern we have federal some people thought some new blood in the System People thought some new blood in the system would actually spur on Economic System would actually spur on economic development. If there is concern economic development. If there is concern because largely on the economic concern because largely on the economic side. The concern because largely on the economic side. Concern because largely on the economic side. ,. , economic side. The question here is wh has economic side. The question here is why has rwanda economic side. The question here is why has rwanda been economic side. The question here is why has rwanda been chosen . Economic side. The question here is why has rwanda been chosen . Shel economic side. The question here is why has rwanda been chosen . She made a Aood Oint Why Has Rwanda been chosen . She made a good point because why has rwanda been chosen . She made a good point because to why has rwanda been chosen . She made a good point because to do why has rwanda been chosen . She made a good point because to do this, a good point because to do this, some a good point because to do this, some other countries have not been willing some other countries have not been willing to some other countries have not been willing to do this. That is one. Because willing to do this. That is one. Because it willing to do this. That is one. Because it has a history of being refugees. Because it has a history of being refugees, many rwandans have been refugees refugees, many rwandans have been refugees in refugees, many rwandans have been refugees in the past, it is familiar with a refugees in the past, it is familiar with a dynamic. It has experienced hosting with a dynamic. It has experienced hosting refugees. Many of them from the Democratic Republic Of The Congo. The Democratic Republic Of The Congo, some came from libya, though those congo, some came from libya, though those refugees are supported by the united those refugees are supported by the United Nations, not the rwandan government. Also because it works. That is government. Also because it works. That is one government. Also because it works. That is one thats motto, rwanda works. That is one thats motto, rwanda works. In that is one thats motto, rwanda works, in terms of living, streets are clean. Works, in terms of living, streets are clean, buildings are safe, it works are clean, buildings are safe, it works as are clean, buildings are safe, it works as a are clean, buildings are safe, it works as a country. That is possibly also motivation for Rwanda Being Part of also motivation for Rwanda Being Part of this. It is sort of the brand part of this. It is sort of the brand we part of this. It is sort of the brand. We have innovative ideas, we can help. Brand. We have innovative ideas, we can help. We brand. We have innovative ideas, we can help, we want to help. The Government Official to whom i was speaking Government Official to whom i was speaking said we always come up to creative speaking said we always come up to creative solutions. I think that is also creative solutions. I think that is also something they want to project, to say also something they want to project, to say this also something they want to project, to say this is something we can do. Some to say this is something we can do. Some independent analysts said they are particularly interested in solidifying alliances with western countries which then gives them diplomatic leveraged which they can then use diplomatic leveraged which they can then use to deflect criticism for example then use to deflect criticism for example human rights. That is an independent analysis of why the rwandans might have been willing but they say rwandans might have been willing but they say we can help, we understand they say we can help, we understand the history. They say we can help, we understand the history, something. Thank you. Stay with us. We are going to be talking to you much more and you can answer our questions if you would not mind. This is bbc news. Welcome back. We heart having a 25 minute special into the rwanda bill, you have been sending your questions, thank you for that. We are getting experts, correspondent and researchers, academic researchers to answer them for you. And our Correspondent Simonjones in dover. Simon, thank you for bearing with us. If i can ask you the next question, that is how many people will be sent to rwanda . The British Government will be sent to rwanda . The Correspondent Simonjones<\/a> in dover. It isa it is a big question, how does this bill work . To it is a big question, how does this bill work . ,. ,. , bill work . To understand how the bill work . To understand how the bill works or bill work . To understand how the bill works or what bill work . To understand how the bill works or what is bill work . To understand how the bill works or what is soon bill work . To understand how the bill works or what is soon to bill work . To understand how the bill works or what is soon to be. Bill work . To understand how the i bill works or what is soon to be law works, we have to understand the underlying Asylum System<\/a> that we now have, this is a brand new Assignment System<\/a> as ofjuly 2023. Very simply it says if a person who wants to claim asylum, that means wants to, they are a refugee, if they come to they are a refugee, if they come to the uk via an irregular or also called a legal route, typically a small boat from france, then they cannot gain status in the uk, they cannot gain status in the uk, they cannot become a refugee of the uk, they cannot claim asylum in the uk. Instead, they must be removed to a third country. That is the underlying law we have as ofjuly 23. The problem for the government was that only one country in the world was going to accept Asylum Seekers<\/a> to allow them into their country, to process them, to ask are they a refugee or not a refugee, and if they are not a refugee, to send them back to the country they came from and if they are to stay in that country and the only country in the world that would allow that right now is rwanda. In November December<\/a> last year the Uk Supreme Court<\/a> says taking this route and removing them to rwanda is unlawful, not because sending someone to a third country of unlawful, it is not, but because rwanda is not a safe country. They listen to the evidence of experts, especially the United Nations<\/a> that has been working with refugees in rwanda for a few decades and said right now it is not a safe country. The law we saw past quite dramatically and in the very late hours last night said rwanda is and must always be considered a safe country. How this will work in practice as if someone arrives by a small boat and gets a Deportation Order<\/a> they will be removed to rwanda then the decision makers, anyone who might be looking at this persons claim, can only consider rwanda are safe country, it does not matter any evidence to the contrary, and they cannot consider it. They must send that person to rwanda as a matter of law. I that person to rwanda as a matter of law. ,. ~ that person to rwanda as a matter of law. , that person to rwanda as a matter of law. I will come back to you. Lets no to law. I will come back to you. Lets go to rwanda. Law. I will come back to you. Lets go to rwanda, our law. I will come back to you. Lets go to rwanda, our correspondent| law. I will come back to you. Lets i go to rwanda, our correspondent is therefore us and we have had several people asking that question is Rwanda A Safe Country<\/a> . I people asking that question is Rwanda A Safe Country<\/a> . People asking that question is Rwanda A Safe Country<\/a> . I would say that depends Rwanda A Safe Country<\/a> . I would say that depends on Rwanda A Safe Country<\/a> . I would say that depends on who Rwanda A Safe Country<\/a> . I would say that depends on who you Rwanda A Safe Country<\/a> . I would say that depends on who you are Rwanda A Safe Country<\/a> . I would say| that depends on who you are asking and what that depends on who you are asking and what exactly you mean. It is safe and what exactly you mean. It is safe in and what exactly you mean. It is safe in terms of crime, the statistics safe in terms of crime, the statistics show it has a very high safe index, statistics show it has a very high safe index, high on the indices of crime safe index, high on the indices of crime safety for crime and that is something crime safety for crime and that is something that the government often talks about, we are the safest country talks about, we are the safest country in talks about, we are the safest country in the world. I think that is not country in the world. I think that is not so country in the world. I think that is not so far country in the world. I think that is not so far from the truth. As you head is not so far from the truth. As you head the is not so far from the truth. As you head the Supreme Court<\/a> in britain had some head the Supreme Court<\/a> in britain had some concerns about safety for refugees had some concerns about safety for refugees and the thing is the concern refugees and the thing is the concern is Asylum Seekers<\/a> could be deported concern is Asylum Seekers<\/a> could be deported from the country they had fled, especially if applications in rwanda fled, especially if applications in rwanda were rejected. That is something they have worked on through something they have worked on through this treaty signed in december which basically says thats not going december which basically says thats not going to happen. If your Asylum Application<\/a> not going to happen. If your Asylum Application<\/a> is rejected you can stay in the application is rejected you can stay in the country, there are resident permits, in the country, there are resident permits, arrangements for you. That is something the rwandans are now working is something the rwandans are now working through in terms of law. They working through in terms of law. They have working through in terms of law. They have to make changes to their migrant they have to make changes to their migrant and refugee law in order to accommodate that. The Supreme Court<\/a> also mentioned an incident in 2018 when also mentioned an incident in 2018 when refugees who had come from the democratic when refugees who had come from the Democratic Republic Of The Congo<\/a> in rwanda Democratic Republic Of The Congo<\/a> in rwanda where, they demonstrated because rwanda where, they demonstrated because the un cutting their rations and the because the un cutting their rations and the rwandan police, they opened fire and and the rwandan police, they opened fire and killed 12 of them. The government here says that was an isolated government here says that was an isolated incident and has not happened again, Human Rights Watch<\/a> is said happened again, Human Rights Watch<\/a> is said perhaps what is more germane as they is said perhaps what is more germane as they dont is said perhaps what is more germane as they dont seem to have been any more as they dont seem to have been any more demonstrations and some of the people more demonstrations and some of the people involved were arrested and jailed people involved were arrested and jailed i people involved were arrested and jailed. I did ask a rwandan official weather jailed. I did ask a rwandan official weather if jailed. I did ask a rwandan official weather if the, when refugees came they would weather if the, when refugees came they would be able to demonstrate to they would be able to demonstrate to the government and she said they could the government and she said they could do the government and she said they could do so the government and she said they could do so based on rwandan law and also legislation. There has been a lot of also legislation. There has been a lot of Criticism Allegations<\/a> that dissent lot of Criticism Allegations<\/a> that dissent is repressed in rwanda. That comes dissent is repressed in rwanda. That comes from dissent is repressed in rwanda. That comes from political activists and human comes from political activists and Human Rights Organisations<\/a> and even when Human Rights Organisations<\/a> and even when we Human Rights Organisations<\/a> and even when we were asking people about what they when we were asking people about what they thought about the uk deal they did what they thought about the uk deal they did not want to speak their mind they did not want to speak their mind if they did not want to speak their mind. If they were going to criticise mind. If they were going to criticise the deal unless they could be anonymous. That sort of fear factor be anonymous. That sort of fear factor is be anonymous. That sort of fear factor is there again. It is Something Kigali<\/a> denies but i would say the Something Kigali<\/a> denies but i would say the uk has at least acknowledged it and say the uk has at least acknowledged it and said say the uk has at least acknowledged it and said there is some restrictions on freedom of expression, freedom of assembly, but it is unlikely expression, freedom of assembly, but it is unlikely that people who relocate it is unlikely that people who relocate here will be badly treated. That is relocate here will be badly treated. That is the relocate here will be badly treated. That is the calculation on which they that is the calculation on which they are that is the calculation on which they are basing their decision. We are also they are basing their decision. Are also asking the question how has rwanda prepared on a more magical level in terms of where people will stay, whether facilities are like, the Living Conditions<\/a> are like. Then;r the Living Conditions<\/a> are like. They have a number the Living Conditions<\/a> are like. They have a number of the Living Conditions<\/a> are like. They have a number of Reception Centre<\/a>s waiting, have a number of Reception Centre<\/a>s waiting, i have a number of Reception Centre<\/a>s waiting, i am anyone, have a number of Reception Centre<\/a>s waiting, lam anyone, it have a number of Reception Centre<\/a>s waiting, i am anyone, it is completely kitted out. All the bedrooms have made beds, prayer rugs. Bedrooms have made beds, prayer rugs. A bedrooms have made beds, prayer rugs, a dining room with staff even now, rugs, a dining room with staff even now. A rugs, a dining room with staff even now, a football pitch, a tent, this kind of now, a football pitch, a tent, this kind of Reception Centre<\/a> is set up to welcome them. The idea is in the longer to welcome them. The idea is in the longer term to welcome them. The idea is in the longer term they would move to some sort of longer term they would move to some sort of other longer term they would move to some sort of other accommodation and the government said it is negotiating access government said it is negotiating access to government said it is negotiating access to arrangements with low cost Housing Access<\/a> to arrangements with low cost Housing Estates<\/a> which would become a mix of Housing Estates<\/a> which would become a mix of migrants and local people but it has mix of migrants and local people but it has denied reports that one of those it has denied reports that one of those estates shown to a uk official has sold those estates shown to a uk official has sold already to locals, the government says the number is not nearty government says the number is not nearly as government says the number is not nearly as high as reported. Nevertheless, we will find out as time nevertheless, we will find out as time goes nevertheless, we will find out as time goes on whether it is hundreds or thousands the uk government wants to send or thousands the uk government wants to send on or thousands the uk government wants to send. On top of that, the deal is they will to send. On top of that, the deal is they will give job training to migrants and also give them some help and migrants and also give them some help and access the job market, a lot of help and access the job market, a lot of it help and access the job market, a lot of it is help and access the job market, a lot of it is focused on services and agriculture lot of it is focused on services and agriculture. But there is some concern agriculture. But there is some concern this would increase competition for scarce jobs so that is one competition for scarce jobs so that is one concern we have federal some people is one concern we have federal some people thought some new blood in the System People<\/a> thought some new blood in the system would actually spur on Economic System<\/a> would actually spur on economic development. If there is concern economic development. If there is concern because largely on the economic concern because largely on the economic side. The concern because largely on the economic side. Concern because largely on the economic side. ,. , economic side. The question here is wh has economic side. The question here is why has rwanda economic side. The question here is why has rwanda been economic side. The question here is why has rwanda been chosen . Economic side. The question here is why has rwanda been chosen . Shel economic side. The question here is why has rwanda been chosen . She made a Aood Oint Why Has Rwanda<\/a> been chosen . She made a good point because why has rwanda been chosen . She made a good point because to why has rwanda been chosen . She made a good point because to do why has rwanda been chosen . She made a good point because to do this, a good point because to do this, some a good point because to do this, some other countries have not been willing some other countries have not been willing to some other countries have not been willing to do this. That is one. Because willing to do this. That is one. Because it willing to do this. That is one. Because it has a history of being refugees. Because it has a history of being refugees, many rwandans have been refugees refugees, many rwandans have been refugees in refugees, many rwandans have been refugees in the past, it is familiar with a refugees in the past, it is familiar with a dynamic. It has experienced hosting with a dynamic. It has experienced hosting refugees. Many of them from the Democratic Republic Of The Congo<\/a>. The Democratic Republic Of The Congo<\/a>, some came from libya, though those congo, some came from libya, though those refugees are supported by the united those refugees are supported by the United Nations<\/a>, not the rwandan government. Also because it works. That is government. Also because it works. That is one government. Also because it works. That is one thats motto, rwanda works. That is one thats motto, rwanda works. In that is one thats motto, rwanda works, in terms of living, streets are clean. Works, in terms of living, streets are clean, buildings are safe, it works are clean, buildings are safe, it works as are clean, buildings are safe, it works as a are clean, buildings are safe, it works as a country. That is possibly also motivation for Rwanda Being Part<\/a> of also motivation for Rwanda Being Part<\/a> of this. It is sort of the brand part of this. It is sort of the brand we part of this. It is sort of the brand. We have innovative ideas, we can help. Brand. We have innovative ideas, we can help. We brand. We have innovative ideas, we can help, we want to help. The Government Official<\/a> to whom i was speaking Government Official<\/a> to whom i was speaking said we always come up to creative speaking said we always come up to creative solutions. I think that is also creative solutions. I think that is also something they want to project, to say also something they want to project, to say this also something they want to project, to say this is something we can do. Some to say this is something we can do. Some independent analysts said they are particularly interested in solidifying alliances with western countries which then gives them diplomatic leveraged which they can then use diplomatic leveraged which they can then use to deflect criticism for example then use to deflect criticism for example human rights. That is an independent analysis of why the rwandans might have been willing but they say rwandans might have been willing but they say we can help, we understand they say we can help, we understand the history. They say we can help, we understand the history, something. Thank you. Stay with us. We are going to be talking to you much more and you can answer our questions if you would not mind. This is bbc news. Welcome back. We heart having a 25 minute special into the rwanda bill, you have been sending your questions, thank you for that. We are getting experts, correspondent and researchers, academic researchers to answer them for you. And our Correspondent Simonjones<\/a> in dover. Simon, thank you for bearing with us. If i can ask you the next question, that is how many people will be sent to rwanda . The British Government<\/a> will be sent to rwanda . The British Government<\/a> says will be sent to rwanda . The British Government<\/a> says the will be sent to rwanda . The British Government<\/a> says the scheme will be sent to rwanda . The British Government<\/a> says the scheme is government says the scheme is uncapped. When borisjohnstone came here to kent to announce plans, he was speaking potentially Tens Of Thousands<\/a> of people going there each year. This morning the government said initially when those flights depart, if they take off in around 1012 depart, if they take off in around 10 12 weeks as the government hopes, the numbers could be small to begin with as people get used to this scheme. We may be talking a few hundred, some people say may be around 300 people initially in the first few weeks. The government says it wants to see flights going regularly, a steady rhythm of sites as it put it, throughout the course of the summer. They certainly seem to be implying numbers could be ratcheted up. There are some real challenges. Firstly, the fact you have got to find airlines, prepare to get involved in this. The government says it has someone in mind, it also says it has an airfield. You have to take into account the capacity rwanda itself has because it cannot take Tens Of Thousands<\/a> of people all in one go. Thats why the government is also exploring similar deals with other countries. We have had countries like armenia and cote divoire also mentioned. I think they will want to see how it works with rwanda initially but also another really big challenge is so far around 50,000 people are being told they could potentially be eligible to go to rwanda because they have arrived in the uk illegally since the law was changed. Those people are being told the will not be able to claim asylum here and the government intention is to remove them. Rwanda being the obvious choice. That backlog, 50,000 people, that will take quite a lot of time to shift and all the time you have more people arriving by small boat. As i speak at the moment, currently the lifeboat has come back into shore bringing back a group of migrants. Three Border Force Boats<\/a> we have seen today bringing people today to dover. As the backlog continues to grow, it is even more of a challenge for the government to get some people out of the uk and thousands of kilometres to east africa. We people out of the uk and thousands of kilometres to east africa. Of kilometres to east africa. We are ust of kilometres to east africa. We are just showing of kilometres to east africa. We are just showing the of kilometres to east africa. We are just showing the pictures of kilometres to east africa. We are just showing the pictures and of kilometres to east africa. We are just showing the pictures and they i just showing the pictures and they were off loading passengers presumably picked up on the channel this morning. What more can you tell is about what happened there . Another really busy day in the channel, conditions are really calm. You can see france very closely in the distance and that means there has been a large number of boats lunching from the beaches of northern france. What happens as once the boat makes it halfway across the channel, the people on board become the responsibility of the uk authority. We see the border force and lifeboat go out and pick up force and lifeboat go out and pick up these people, make sure they are safe and bring them back to dover. We have also heard of a tragedy in the channel, a boat that set off from a place in northern france, along the coast from calais, that had 112 people on board. That would be an unprecedented number, i have never heard so many people on board one single boat, we talk about small boats but they are getting much bigger. 112 people on board, that boat got stranded on a sand bank. As people are attempting to relaunch it there was really a scramble to get on board that boat. People ended up in the water and three men and one woman and ion child lost their lives. Incredibly, you see the desire of people to get to the uk because although the authorities were quickly on the scene and rescued half of those 112 people, half of them did not want to be rescued and decided they got their boat working again, the motor was working on the continued their journey to the uk. It gives you a sense of how dangerous but strongly desire is to get to uk. Lets understand more on the legal side with drjoelle grogan, whos a Senior Researcher<\/a> at the academic Think Tank Uk<\/a> in a changing europe. 0ne one question coming from a viewer is who voted for the rwanda bill . It was driven by the government and Conservative Party<\/a> based on a pledge the prime Conservative Party<\/a> based on a pledge the Prime Minister<\/a> made to stop the lroats the Prime Minister<\/a> made to stop the boats in the Prime Minister<\/a> made to stop the Boats Injanuary<\/a> 2020. 23, gosh, it has Boats Injanuary<\/a> 2020. 23, gosh, it has been Boats Injanuary<\/a> 2020. 23, gosh, it has been a Boats Injanuary<\/a> 2020. 23, gosh, it has been a long time. What is important it has been a long time. What is important to emphasise is the other main parties, labour, the snp, and the greens main parties, labour, the snp, and the greens have been strongly against the greens have been strongly against the rwanda policy. In fact, lahour against the rwanda policy. In fact, labour promised to take it back, should labour promised to take it back, should they be elected in the next general should they be elected in the next general election. And should they be elected in the next general election. General election. And it explains what they called general election. And it explains what they called the general election. And it explains what they called the pingpong l what they called the ping pong between House Of Lords<\/a> and House Of Commons<\/a> last night. It has been very lengthy difficult process to get this on the statute book . Certainly. The government this on the statute book . Certainly. The government have this on the statute book . Certainly. The government have a this on the statute book . Certainly. The government have a majority this on the statute book . Certainly. The government have a majority in | the government have a majority in the house the government have a majority in the House Of Commons<\/a>, democratically elected the House Of Commons<\/a>, democratically elected house of parliament, but they do elected house of parliament, but they do not have a majority in the house they do not have a majority in the house of they do not have a majority in the House Of Lords<\/a>. Labour does not have a majority House Of Lords<\/a>. Labour does not have a majority either, in fact we saw a coalition a majority either, in fact we saw a coalition of a majority either, in fact we saw a coalition of sorts between the large number coalition of sorts between the large number of coalition of sorts between the large number of people that do not have an affiliation number of people that do not have an affiliation with any of the main parties. Affiliation with any of the main parties, crossbench peers. The labour parties, crossbench peers. The labour party coming together in the House Labour Party<\/a> coming together In The House Of Labour Party<\/a> coming together in the House Of Lords<\/a> to keep asking for an amendment to the bill. What was perhaps amendment to the bill. What was perhaps surprising and why we saw so much perhaps surprising and why we saw so much ping pong between the House Of Commons<\/a> much ping pong between the House Of Commons<\/a> and lords was the fact there was no commons and lords was the fact there was no amendments at all made to the bill. , ,. , bill. There were attempts but none actually passed . Bill. There were attempts but none actually passed . Exactly. Bill. There were attempts but none actually passed . Exactly. Who bill. There were attempts but none actually passed . Exactly. Who are | actually passed . Exactly. Who are the migrants. Actually passed . Exactly. Who are the migrants, who actually passed . Exactly. Who are the migrants, who are actually passed . Exactly. Who are the migrants, who are the actually passed . Exactly. Who are the migrants, who are the people| actually passed . Exactly. Who are i the migrants, who are the people on the migrants, who are the people on the boats in terms of nationalities . Where do they originate from . Late the boats in terms of nationalities . Where do they originate from . We get uuarterl where do they originate from . We get quarterly updates where do they originate from . We get quarterly updates from where do they originate from . We get quarterly updates from the where do they originate from . We get quarterly updates from the home quarterly updates from the home office with the people arriving and where they are from and the figures show the majority of people are from afghanistan and the Second Largest Group<\/a> is from iran by turkey. Interestingly we have seen a big rise in the number of the enemies people and the government is particular concern about that because its thought the viennese people are particularly likely to end up being victims of modern slavery, they may be trafficked across the channel to work in cannabis farms, some of them end up being exploited in the secs industry. To launch a social Media Campaign<\/a> where it is putting posts up campaign where it is putting posts up on youtube and facebook over in vietnam, basically telling people not to risk their lives attempting this journey. Not to risk their lives attempting thisjourney. That not to risk their lives attempting this journey. That Campaign Features<\/a> testimony from migrants who have made the crossing talk about being on those Flimsy Dangerous Overloaded<\/a> boats, how they feared for their lives, and thought they might not make it across the channel. Saying to be politically not worth doing. Also the government chipped in and see it is actually pointless because if you do make it across the channel you will not be able to stay here, we will try to send you to a country like rwanda. It is not worthless in your life doing that. In terms of the nationality, it has been the main thing over the past few years, afghanistan has been the major nationality coming across on small boats. \ufffd. ,. , nationality coming across on small boats. ,. ,. ,. , boats. Another question simon, what other safe routes boats. Another question simon, what other safe routes are boats. Another question simon, what other safe routes are available boats. Another question simon, what other safe routes are available for. Other safe routes are available for refugees to take . That other safe routes are available for refugees to take . Refugees to take . That is an interesting refugees to take . That is an interesting one refugees to take . That is an interesting one because refugees to take . That is an interesting one because a i refugees to take . That is an | interesting one because a lot refugees to take . That is an. Interesting one because a lot of people say the people arriving on small boats are coming over from northern france. Why not claim asylum in france . Which is indeed a safe country. People who make the crossing say that actually, for the vast majority of people to be able to lodge an asylum claim in the uk you actually have to be on uk soil. There are very few ways you can apply for asylum from abroad. There are some exceptions, notable ones will include afghanistan where there have been schemes where people have worked with uk authorities in afghanistan in the past, maybe with the military as interpreters have been able to apply to be able to come across to the uk. Also there have been the schemes involving ukrainian people where they have been able to apply for visas, women and children escaping the war in ukraine. The number of schemes are very limited. When the government was introducing the veranda bill said it would look at establishing other so called safe and legal routes for people to apply for asylum but it is a Balancing Act<\/a> for the government because it does not want to encourage lots of people who applied because they could see why dont you enter, open a centre in france . The British Government<\/a> responses that it would be a Magnet Drawing<\/a> people in. The government say the uk is a welcoming place for those genuinely in need and it has a long reputation and history of welcoming people fleeing persecution, that really cannot be infinite because the country simply does not have the capacity to welcome everyone who would like to come across the channel. Doctor, one final question. Come across the channel. Doctor, one final question, if come across the channel. Doctor, one final question, if people end up in rwanda, they have their Asylum Application<\/a>s process and then what happens . First if they are accepted and if they are not. If happens . First if they are accepted and if they are not. And if they are not. If they are accepted and if they are not. If they are accepted as and if they are not. If they are accepted as a and if they are not. If they are accepted as a refugee and if they are not. If they are accepted as a Refugee Under<\/a>. And if they are not. If they are accepted as a Refugee Under<\/a> rwandan law they accepted as a Refugee Under<\/a> rwandan law they will stay in rwanda permanently, there is no possibility for them permanently, there is no possibility for them to permanently, there is no possibility for them to be sent back to the uk. If for them to be sent back to the uk. If they for them to be sent back to the uk. If they dont for them to be sent back to the uk. If they dont get recognition as refugees if they dont get recognition as refugees for example 100 Rejection Rate<\/a> for refugees for example 100 Rejection Rate<\/a> for afghani nationals so far, under rate for afghani nationals so far, under the rate for afghani nationals so far, under the treaty they have to return to the under the treaty they have to return to the uk under the treaty they have to return to the uk. That is legally complicated as our law currently says you complicated as our law currently says you can never come back to the uk but says you can never come back to the uk but that says you can never come back to the uk but that has a challenge the government will have to resolve. We government will have to resolve. Appreciate government will have to resolve. Appreciate your time. And our correspondent, who is in dover. All the latest from there and earlier. Thank you so much, we really appreciate it. Just to give you a sense this is an issue notjust affecting in the uk but around the world, we are getting some news from the news wires that a migrant boat has capsized off djibouti leaving at least 16 dead and 28 missing. Just bringing home that this is very much a global issue. The Breaking News<\/a> that a migrant boat has capsized off djibouti meaning 16 dead and 28 missing. We will bring you more than that when we get it. Hello. Today, again, its going to be milder in the west compared to the east. And as we go through the next few days, youll notice the temperature coming down everywhere as represented by the blues on the chart on wednesday, thursday and friday. But as we head on into the weekend, low pressure looks like its going to move across our shores. That looks like, too, it will introduce some milder conditions, but theres still a lot to play for with that one. Today, weve got the dregs of yesterdays front pushing slowly south eastwards, with its cloud and patchy light rain and drizzle. Eastern areas still exposed to this brisk wind, taking the edge off the temperatures. It will feel quite cold on the east coast. A few showers wales into the south west and the cloud in the east thick enough for that drizzle. Its the west thats going to see the lions share of the sunshine today. And, as a result, this is where well have the highest temperatures. We could reach 16 degrees once again in glasgow. Yesterday, it was 16. 5 celsius here. As we head through the evening and overnight, still the brisk, keen wind coming in off the north sea, blowing in some cloud, one or two showers. Weve got this lump of cloud across Central Parts<\/a> of england, east wales, pushing down towards the south. But under clear skies, where weve got the blues, temperatures will be freezing or even below. So there will be locally a touch of frost, but its going to be a cold night generally. Tomorrow, still this keen wind, still the cloud coming in from the north sea. But out towards the west, were looking at brighter skies, some sunshine. You could catch a shower once again in south wales or indeed south west england. Temperatures, 1a in glasgow, so the temperatures coming down a little bit, 9 in norwich. And then as we head on into thursday, well, weve got low pressure out to the east, low pressure out towards the west, a front very close by, and it does mean we will see one or two showers. Its going to be a colder day as well. Some of those showers on high ground in scotland could well prove to be wintry, but a fair bit of cloud around, and again, nowhere really immune to a shower. This is a Weather Front<\/a> trying to come in from the west. Temperatures, 8 in aberdeen to about 13 in london. As we go beyond that, into the end of the week and into the weekend, well, it looks very much like its going to continue unsettled. There will be some rain at times, but the temperatures slowly starting to creep up. Today at one five people die, including a child, trying to cross the English Channel<\/a> in a small boat. More than 100 people were on the vessel the french coastguard said it was heavily overloaded. Despite it was heavily overloaded. The efforts of the police and despite the efforts of the police and in the face of the governments rwanda bill, small boats have been launched at several places on this because this morning, taking advantage of the good weather. It comes as parliament finally passed the controverisal rwanda bill. Also on the programme a u turn on speed . The Welsh Government<\/a> looks likely to bring back 30 mile an hour roads in some areas. 15 billion miles from earth nasa says its Voyageri Probe<\/a> is now sending back usable information. And searching for Kidney Donors<\/a> a new scheme to find a match more quickly. And coming up on bbc news, arsenal have the chance to move three points clear in the premier League Title Race<\/a> as they prepare to host chelsea at the emirates stadium. Good afternoon and welcome to the bbc news at 0ne. Five people including a child have died while trying to cross the channel from france to britain in a small boat. The french coastguard described the vessel as heavily overloaded, with 110 people on board. The incident happened just a few hours after mps had passed the governments rwanda bill, which rishi sunak says is designed to discourage people from attempting such crossings. 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