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BBCNEWS BBC July 3, 2024

Of calais on tuesday morning. Authorities have also been carrying out several search and rescue operations at sea, linked to other attempts to cross the english channel. Within just a few hours of the bill going through, the bbc witnessed migrants on multiples beaches trying to get onto boats to cross the english channel. These are some of the pictures from one attemptjust after dawn. The Uk Border Force has brought around 70 migrants to shore and a dover lifeboat has been launched after reports of another migrant boat in the channel. Our correspondent Andrew Harding was on the beach where a boat ran aground and left five people including a child dead. Lets ta ke lets take a look at what he witnessed as that elevated crossing began. Ill fated crossing began. That does give you a sense of what it must have been like in the early hours of this morning when those migrants were going towards that boat. A short while ago i spoke to andrew about what he witnessed on the beach. This andrew about what he witnessed on the beach. ,. , ,. ,. , the beach. This was before dawn, we had been waiting the beach. This was before dawn, we had been waiting on the beach. This was before dawn, we had been waiting on the the beach. This was before dawn, we had been waiting on the beach the beach. This was before dawn, we had been waiting on the beach for i had been waiting on the beach for many hours overnight anticipating there might be migrants trying to get to see in that area on that beach, and suddenly we heard a noise. It was the Police Shouting that they had spotted the migrants and we ran with the police and so about hundreds, perhaps more than 100 migrants running across the beach. The tide had just gone out, they had several hundred metres to run it the sea, they were dragging an inflatable and as the police got closer, a fight began as the smugglers of the migrants started bringing out sticks and rods and essentially forming a protective coating around the migrants to allow them to continue advancing towards them to continue advancing towards the sea to take their boat into the water. They were Throwing Firecrackers as well. There were explosions and smoke, the police seemed unable to do anything. They said they didnt want to interfere, that was children there, it was too dangerous and the migrants were already in the water. What happened then was they got into a boat and we saw it drift slowly, just a few yards off the shore, some people failed to get onto the boat, failed to clamber into it and came back to shore and walked away. But we could very quickly tell there was trouble going on in the boat itself, there were just far too many people trying to squeeze inside this inflatable only and you could see people standing in the middle, and what we since learnt is we were seeing people are certainly being trampled to death. We have heard reports some people may have drowned, that is not clear. We saw some life jackets in the water. We heard some cries. At that time it was not clear to us what was happening, it felt likejust time it was not clear to us what was happening, it felt like just a melee of people trying to fight for a spot on the inflatable. And the boat drifted a bit further out to sea, at which point the police and the migrants who had not made on the board the boat started to walk back up board the boat started to walk back up the beach towards the car park and their vehicles. We could see some small rescue boats from a much bigger french rescue ship starting to approach the boat, but at that point we still had no sense anyone was injured. We assumed they were simply trying to offer help, about to push the boat back to shore because the boat was not under power. It was installed and drifting. Power. It was installed and driftinu. ~. ,. ,. , drifting. We got this reaction to the deaths drifting. We got this reaction to the deaths in drifting. We got this reaction to the deaths in the drifting. We got this reaction to the deaths in the channel drifting. We got this reaction to the deaths in the channel from | the deaths in the channel from robert buckland. fix, the deaths in the channel from robert buckland. The deaths in the channel from robert buckland. �. , robert buckland. A dreadful tragedy and the result robert buckland. A dreadful tragedy and the result of robert buckland. A dreadful tragedy and the result of the robert buckland. A dreadful tragedy and the result of the cynical and the result of the cynical exploitation of peoples lives and aspirations by those who seek to profit aspirations by those who seek to profit from this misery. There is a humanitarian and moral case to stop the boats. Humanitarian and moral case to stop the boats. It humanitarian and moral case to stop the boats, it is notjust about sounding the boats, it is notjust about sounding tough on immigration, it is about sounding tough on immigration, it is about stopping a vicious trade and saving about stopping a vicious trade and saving lives. 50 about stopping a vicious trade and saving lives about stopping a vicious trade and saving lives saving lives. So you support the bill but not saving lives. So you support the bill but not all saving lives. So you support the bill but not all of saving lives. So you support the bill but not all of the saving lives. So you support the bill but not all of the bill, saving lives. So you support the bill but not all of the bill, you i bill but not all of the bill, you are backing some of the amendments. What are the issues you think there are with the situation as it stands . I think the bill is a radical approach to try and deal with what happened approach to try and deal with what happened in the Supreme Court last year, happened in the Supreme Court last year. We happened in the Supreme Court last year, we are in essence the court said there year, we are in essence the court said there was a problem, that peopie said there was a problem, that people could be sent back to their country people could be sent back to their country of people could be sent back to their country of origin from reminder. I think country of origin from reminder. I think a country of origin from reminder. I think a lot country of origin from reminder. I think a lot has happened since then, there think a lot has happened since then, there is think a lot has happened since then, there is no think a lot has happened since then, there is no treaty that the British Government have agreed with rwanda, which i government have agreed with rwanda, which i think commits a reminder to a lot of which i think commits a reminder to a lot of changes that should stop that risk, a lot of changes that should stop that risk, and i think answers the points that risk, and i think answers the points that that risk, and i think answers the points that are being raised today about points that are being raised today about alleged breaches of international law. I think it was the Duty International law. I think it was the duty of parliamentarians like me to give the duty of parliamentarians like me to give this the duty of parliamentarians like me to give this bill a good look and to make to give this bill a good look and to make sure to give this bill a good look and to make sure it was in a sound place possible make sure it was in a sound place possible legally in order for it to work possible legally in order for it to work i possible legally in order for it to work. I was concerned about making sure the work. I was concerned about making sure the reality on the ground in rwanda, sure the reality on the ground in rwanda, the changes they were making as a result rwanda, the changes they were making as a result of the agreement, were in place as a result of the agreement, were in place before it redeemed or presumed rwanda was a safe country. Ithink presumed rwanda was a safe country. I think we presumed rwanda was a safe country. I think we arent quite there in terms i think we arent quite there in terms of i think we arent quite there in terms of what i think the bill should terms of what i think the bill should achieve, but the government made should achieve, but the government made a should achieve, but the government made a iot should achieve, but the government made a lot of assurances that go a lon made a lot of assurances that go a long way made a lot of assurances that go a long way to made a lot of assurances that go a long way to deal with this, and now the proof long way to deal with this, and now the proof of long way to deal with this, and now the proof of the pudding is in the eating the proof of the pudding is in the eating. You will be aware that many peopie eating. You will be aware that many peopie are eating. You will be aware that many people are still concerned that rwanda people are still concerned that rwanda is not a safe country for Peopie Rwanda is not a safe country for peopie to rwanda is not a safe country for people to be sent to. I am, the reality people to be sent to. I am, the reality is people to be sent to. I am, the reality is rwanda has been the Recipient Reality Is Rwanda has been the recipient of a lot of refugees under united recipient of a lot of refugees under United Nations schemes. I dont United Nations schemes. Idont think United Nations schemes. I dont think we United Nations schemes. I dont think we can ignore that, the court last year think we can ignore that, the court last year it think we can ignore that, the court last year it went through the evidence last year it went through the evidence very carefully, it notably said it evidence very carefully, it notably said it was evidence very carefully, it notably said it was not unlawful to use a third said it was not unlawful to use a third country in this way, many other third country in this way, many other European Countries are looking at a similar other European Countries are looking at a similar model and therefore what at a similar model and therefore what we at a similar model and therefore what we have got to make sure it works what we have got to make sure it works and what we have got to make sure it works and people are safe. I think the agreement that was reached doesnt the agreement that was reached doesnt satisfy me that there will be proper doesnt satisfy me that there will be proper processes in place to protect be proper processes in place to protect the rights of people in rwanda protect the rights of people in rwanda and the risk of sending them back to rwanda and the risk of sending them back to their countries of origin is removed back to their countries of origin is removed. � ,. , back to their countries of origin is removed. ,. ,. ,. , back to their countries of origin is removed. ,. ,. , removed. And you are clear and confident that removed. And you are clear and confident that this removed. And you are clear and confident that this rwanda removed. And you are clear and l confident that this rwanda safety bill will be a deterrent to people who have maybe fled torture and trauma, and want to get to the uk . You think this will be the deterrent . I dont think we are dealing with people who are coming illegally, people who are not coming for those reasons, who are coming for those reasons, who are coming for purely economic reasons. I for those reasons, who are coming for purely economic reasons. I think it is important for purely economic reasons. I think it is important that for purely economic reasons. I think it is important that we for purely economic reasons. I think it is important that we send for purely economic reasons. I think it is important that we send a it is important that we send a signal it is important that we send a signal to it is important that we send a signal to people coming to the uk that we signal to people coming to the uk that we are prepared to work with other that we are prepared to work with other countries like rwanda to deal with this other countries like rwanda to deal with this issue and will send people there with this issue and will send people there it with this issue and will send people there it is with this issue and will send people there. It is only part of a suite of poiicies there. It is only part of a suite of poiicies the there. It is only part of a suite of policies the government has to deal with this policies the government has to deal with this issue. We have achieved great with this issue. We have achieved Great Success with albania in reducing Great Success with albania in reducing the number is coming from there reducing the number is coming from there i reducing the number is coming from there. I think cooperation with the french there. I think cooperation with the french anv there. I think cooperation with the french any form of investment and close french any form of investment and close working is clearly an important part of this, and todays horror important part of this, and todays horror again brings into relief the vital importance of working with partners vital importance of working with partners in europe. This is a problem partners in europe. This is a problem that affects the whole of western problem that affects the whole of western europe, The Mass Migration of peopie western europe, The Mass Migration of people away from areas of war or economic of people away from areas of war or economic poverty. And it is up to all of economic poverty. And it is up to all of us economic poverty. And it is up to all of us to economic poverty. And it is up to all of us to Work Together to try and deal all of us to Work Together to try and deal with it. Rwanda is on the part of and deal with it. Rwanda is on the part of a and deal with it. Rwanda is on the part of a wider policy. That and deal with it. Rwanda is on the part of a wider policy. Part of a wider policy. That is the former conservative part of a wider policy. That is the former conservative justice former conservative justice secretary. 0ur chief Political Correspondent had this update from westminster. That is why this is such a huge debate in westminster and of course in the country at large is because nobody believes that situation with people making that perilous and in some cases fatal journey people making that perilous and in some cases fataljourney is an adequate state of affairs, but where people differ really quite profoundly as how to address it. It has been the Policy Notjust of rishi sunak but successive conservative Prime Ministers for more than two years that the way to solve this problem is to have a firm deterrent that makes people not set out on that journey. Deterrent that makes people not set out on thatjourney. In the view of rishi sunak that deterrent is this policy. In the view of labour, all this policy will do is soak up money without actually acting as an adequate deterrent. That is where the debate is. Yesterday Parliament Via the conservative majority in the House Of Commons said they believe they want to press ahead with rwanda policy. Rishi sunak believes he can get a flight off, at least one flight, but he would help many more to rwanda with an 8 10 weeks, and so are the focus now is on whether he is right and whether that plane will take off, and if that plane does and you get what he called a regular rhythm of planes taking off, does the policy work and do what rishi sunak wants it to do . Is it a deterrent to situations like today . We were given the figures that have risen sharply, more than 50,000 people are waiting to have their Asylum Applications looked at. In this policy, 10 12 weeks for the first like to take off, even when they do take off, what numbers are we expecting . It is they do take off, what numbers are we meeting . They do take off, what numbers are we expecting . It is a good question to which the we expecting . It is a good question to which the government we expecting . It is a good question to which the government has we expecting . It is a good question to which the government has not i to which the government has not given us a clear answer. There has been some reporting that the rwandan capacity to take these Asylum Seekers is really limited. It is not just limited in the sense of where they would house these Asylum Seekers, though that is one element. There is a hostel that is ready for them in kigali, which we have seen lots of footage from. I have been there. And it is quite small, it is quite small compared to the volume of people Making Thatjourney across the channel, and then there are some suggestions the Rwandan Government doesnt want too many flights to come too quickly as they get the scheme up and running. Time will tell on that, but the view of the government of course is that by dent of sending at least some Asylum Seekers to reminder, you will stop others making the journey in small boats across the channel. By the logic of the government, the goal would be merely sending someone to rwanda should stop the problem more generally, and that is going to be one of the tests of this policy if and when those flights start to take off. , and when those flights start to take off. , and when those flights start to take off. ,. ,. , off. That was the latest on the olitical off. That was the latest on the Political Developments off. That was the latest on the Political Developments in off. That was the latest on the Political Developments in a off. That was the latest on the i Political Developments in a story, there have been lots of developments on the bill issued today and this incident in the channel where five people have been killed, including a child. I should draw your attention to the website where there is a life page running and it has all the latest lines on

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