Which go under the hammer this weekend hello, im geeta guru murthy, welcome to verified live the top us diplomat, Antony Blinken, has told the bbc that he is prepared to take steps against china if beijing continues to send key supplies to russia which are used to aid its invasion of ukraine. The Secretary Of State has been holding talks with the chinese leader, xijinping, in beijing. Our china correspondent laura bicker sat down with mr blinken. He said he made it clear to his chinese counterparts that they had to stop sending key components to russia or they would be consequences. Russia or they would be consequences. Russia or they would be conseuuences. ,. ,. , consequences. You came to ask beiina consequences. You came to ask beijing to consequences. You came to ask beijing to stop consequences. You came to ask beijing to stop supplying consequences. You came to ask beijing to stop supplying components that russia is using in its war with ukraine. You have asking to do this before, what makes you think they will listen to you this time. What 70 of the Machine Tools that russia is getting 70 of the Machine Tools that russia is getting from abroad are coming from is getting from abroad are coming from china. 90 of the microelectronics. This is doing two things microelectronics. This is doing two things it microelectronics. This is doing two things it is microelectronics. This is doing two things. It is helping russia perpetuate its aggression against ukraine, perpetuate its aggression against ukraine, but it is also creating a growing ukraine, but it is also creating a growing threat to europe because of russi6s growing threat to europe because of russias aggression. I am hearing from russias aggression. I am hearing from you russias aggression. I am hearing from you peer Europeans Deep Concern About from you peer Europeans Deep Concern About this from you peer Europeans Deep Concern About this if from you peer Europeans Deep Concern About this. If china wants to have better about this. If china wants to have better relations with us and other countries better relations with us and other countries in europe, it cant do that countries in europe, it cant do that white countries in europe, it cant do that while at the same time helping to fuet that while at the same time helping to fuel the that while at the same time helping to fuel the biggest threat to security since the cold war. We have taken security since the cold war. We have taken Action Security since the cold war. We have taken action against chinese entities taken action against chinese entities that are engaged in this and what entities that are engaged in this and what i make a today is that if china and what i make a today is that if china wont and what i make a today is that if china wont act, we will. You and what i make a today is that if china wont act, we will. China wont act, we will. You say ou will china wont act, we will. You say you will act china wont act, we will. You say you will at i china wont act, we will. You say you will act. I want china wont act, we will. You say you will act. I want to china wont act, we will. You say you will act. I want to be china wont act, we will. You say| you will act. I want to be clear on what you will be prepared to do. Are you going to prepare another package of sanctions, or what will those actions involve . Im of sanctions, or what will those actions involve . Of sanctions, or what will those actions involve . 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We have imposed sanctions, Export Controls of one imposed sanctions, Export Controls of one kind imposed sanctions, Export Controls of one kind or another on more than a hundred of one kind or another on more than a hundred chinese entities because of their a hundred chinese entities because of their involvement in helping rathje of their involvement in helping rathje with its Defence Industrial base rathje with its Defence Industrial base we rathje with its Defence Industrial base. We are fully prepared to take further base. We are fully prepared to take further action. Further action. Earlier this week con. Ress further action. Earlier this Week Congress approved further action. Earlier this Week Congress approved billions further action. Earlier this Week Congress approved billions of l further action. Earlier this week. Congress approved billions of aid for taiwan. Congress approved billions of aid fortaiwan. How Congress Approved billions of aid for taiwan. How will this aid package deter china . The assistance that we polite package deter china . The assistance that we polite to package deter china . The assistance that we polite to them package deter china . The assistance that we polite to them is that we polite to them is commensurate with the threat. That is a way commensurate with the threat. That is a way of commensurate with the threat. That is a way of deterring conflict, aggression, making sure it doesnt happen aggression, making sure it doesnt happen |s aggression, making sure it doesnt ha en. ,. Aggression, making sure it doesnt hauen. ,. ,. , aggression, making sure it doesnt ha r en,. ,. ,. , aggression, making sure it doesnt ha en,. ,. ,. , , aggression, making sure it doesnt hauen. ,. , happen. Is that how china sees it . May differently happen. Is that how china sees it . May differently but happen. Is that how china sees it . May differently but what happen. Is that how china sees it . May differently but what matters | happen. Is that how china sees it . | may differently but what matters is they do may differently but what matters is they do. For us and many other countries, they do. For us and many other countries, preserving this status quo and countries, preserving this status quo and ensuring differences are resolved quo and ensuring differences are resolved peacefully is what matters. Antony resolved peacefully is what matters. Antony blinken speaking to our china correspondent. Im joined now by china correspondent laura bicker whos in beijing. What did mr blinken say in terms of the future use of sanction. How might beijing react to the threat of sanctions . This might beijing react to the threat of sanctions . � ,. , might beijing react to the threat of sanctions . ~ ,. ,. ,. , sanctions . As you heard, he was unwillin sanctions . As you heard, he was unwilling to sanctions . As you heard, he was unwilling to be sanctions . As you heard, he was unwilling to be pushed sanctions . As you heard, he was unwilling to be pushed on sanctions . As you heard, he was unwilling to be pushed on what l sanctions . As you heard, he was unwilling to be pushed on what those sanctions might involve. It is understood from a number of reports that they may involve sanctions on chinese banks. Many analysts have called this a nuclear option. They believe china would not react well to such sanctions. America might believe they are coming to this from a position of strength, that they are issuing this threat from a position of strength because beijing, at this time, does not want more sanctions as it is trying to pfp up more sanctions as it is trying to prop up an ailing economy. It wants more American Business not less. America might feel that it is in a position to put this threat out there at this time, but china will not react well to it. Already they are pushing back. It risks derailing an already fragile relationship, which mr blinken said is the most consequential in the world. It is consequential in the world. It is consequential consequential in the world. It is consequential that consequential in the world. It is consequential that they are meeting and talking at all, there has been a step up in diplomacy in recent months. What would you say has gone well this visit . Well this visit . There have been a few bri t ht well this visit . There have been a few bright spots. Well this visit . There have been a few bright spots. I well this visit . There have been a few bright spots. I asked well this visit . There have been a few bright spots. I asked mr well this visit . There have been a i few bright spots. I asked mr blinken about fentanyl, it is something the us has been trying to deal with for some time, they say is the biggest Public Health crisis that they face. The biggest producer of fentanyl comes from china. They are trying to prevent the Precursor Chemicals coming from china mexico up into the United States. We talked about the United States. We talked about the middle east. They said that china has a plant to play to end the crisis there. They can put their influence with iran. Mr blinken said that has already happened in the last ten days, where china used its influence with iran to prevent the conflict from escalating. Can influence with iran to prevent the conflict from escalating. Conflict from escalating. Can you ive us conflict from escalating. Can you tive us a conflict from escalating. Can you give us a sense conflict from escalating. Can you give us a sense of conflict from escalating. Can you give us a sense of the conflict from escalating. Can you give us a sense of the media conflict from escalating. Can you l give us a sense of the media there and the wider public reaction if you can sense it, to this visit in the last few days . I can sense it, to this visit in the last few days . Last few days . I think all week, Chinese State last few days . I think all week, Chinese State media, last few days . I think all week, Chinese State media, if last few days . I think all week, Chinese State media, if you last few days . I think all week, | Chinese State media, if you look last few days . I think all week, Chinese State media, if you look at how Chinese People are really receiving the news, they have been painting the us as hypocrites. They have been emphasising the us role in the middle east for and emphasising the middle east for and emphasising the chaos there and saying china is the chaos there and saying china is the peacemaker. In terms of how the us media, they see it completely opposite. They see china as the threat. When you see these two worlds, you see these two tracks and you see the gulf between these two sides. Yet when it comes to people contact it is very friendly. I was at an American Football match in china and they are eager for there to be more contact between the United States and china. There is a golf but when it comes to meeting one another, when they begin to talk those barriers begin to break down. Thank you very much indeed. I want to bring you some Breaking News because there was an attack in a school in wales yesterday and we have just had statements from two people who were injured in that stabbing. They have issued statements saying how difficult it is to comprehend what happened and they have thanked Emergency Services and medics. We wanted to update you on that. This incident happened the day before yesterday, not yesterday. That is an initial set of statements that we are getting after that incident. We will update you further on that. I want to go back to our top story and Antony BlinkensVisit Top Story and Antony Blinkens visit to beijing. For more analysis, lets speak to director of the Asia Pacific Programme at chatham house, ben bland. When we look at the week as a whole, what do you make of it . Its when we look at the week as a whole, what do you make of it . What do you make of it . Its been a tositive what do you make of it . Its been a positive sign what do you make of it . Its been a positive sign on what do you make of it . Its been a positive sign on the what do you make of it . Its been a positive sign on the stabilisation i positive sign on the stabilisation of the relationship in the short term between the us and china, it is good that they are talking and talking about substantive problems and many differences as laura was saying. The problem is, they didnt make much substantive progress. There wasnt an expectation of that, but you are looking at two great powers who are at loggerheads on so many important issues and they are not going to resolve them in one meeting or one set of meeting. Tactically it is probably good for both sides to dial down the temperature in the short term, especially with us elections coming up especially with us elections coming up later this year. Up later this year. What do you think each up later this year. What do you think each side up later this year. What do you think each side will up later this year. What do you think each Side Will Kit up later this year. What do you think each Side Will Kit see up later this year. What do you think each Side Will Kit see as l think each Side Will Kit see as potential flashpoint think each Side Will Kit see as potentialflashpoint or think each Side Will Kit see as potential flashpoint or areas to make progress . The potential flashpoint or areas to make progress . Potential flashpoint or areas to make progress . Potential flashpoint or areas to make trtoress . ,. , ,. , make progress . The problem is that the thin t s make progress . The problem is that the things that make progress . The problem is that the things that are make progress . The problem is that the things that are important make progress . The problem is that the things that are important to the things that are important to each side are different in many cases and wear the same issues are important, like thai one, they have views that are diametrically opposed to each other. For the us, they clearly wanted to try to pressure china to stop the flow of industrial machinery to russia that is supporting russias military Industrial Complex. They wanted to warn china about its assertive behaviour towards taiwan. If you think about beijings perspective it sees itself is not a party to the war in ukraine and russia Isjust Another of its economic partners. It would consider that it is the us thatis would consider that it is the us that is inflaming the situation in taiwan. The issues that matter most to them are at slightly different and they dont see i do i but the exact opposite on so many of these issues. But at least they are able to talk and are trying to expand the dialogue, one is more positive was the news that they are going to hold talks between china and the us on Artificial Intelligence and managing the risk that it poses to societies. They are the two Gigantic Tech Powers in the world, that is a small positive but whether they can agree to cooperate is another question. The tiktok ban, does it matter, does it tell us where those two countries are . I it tell us where those two countries are . , it tell us where those two countries are . , it tell us where those two countries are . ,. , are . I was in washington recently talkint to are . I was in washington recently talking to people are . I was in washington recently talking to people on are . I was in washington recently talking to people on china are . I was in washington recently talking to people on china policy. Talking to people on china policy and its amazing that every week there is a new area of us Economic Cooperation with china that is being cut off and obviously tiktok is potentially the latest one. I think Antony Blinken said that tiktok didnt come up in the discussions this time. But it i think it is going to be a sore point for the chinese because they have this sense that the us is trying to hem them in and make the life difficult for their companies. The us sees things their companies. The us sees things the other ways around that china has blocked access to leading Tech Companies and it is a threat to the economy that biden wants to grow. When we look at the china russia links, they werent always straight forward allies, where do you think that relationship is now, what do we know about supplies of Weapons Indirectly . Know about supplies of Weapons Indirectl . , indirectly . Even the Us Administration indirectly . Even the Us Administration has indirectly . Even the Us Administration has said j indirectly . Even the Us Administration has said they i