China. Some actually call it a dragon bear partnership. The goal of these meetings, the partnership, is simply to change the global war router or did that was established by western democracies after the Second World War global world order. Working together to replace the Current System with the new system, air system. This is not only on the military front but the economic front. Think about the technology, energy. So, ithink it is really important to watch what will be set there. Because it is consequential. The aim is again to fight democracies in the system that was established in to replace it with their own system and we have seen the expressions of the use geopolitical aims not only in ukraine, but we have seen also and talk or see like iran in the middle east, we are watching also north korea, what that country is doing and we see those autocracies are working together, to a certain extent. But at the epicentre of that it really is the russian and chinese cooperation. Is very important to see what will come out of these meetings and, if there is a Peace Proposal for meetings and, if there is a Peace Proposalfor ukraine, i am not convinced that these conditions will be favourable for ukraine. Obviously ve much be favourable for ukraine. Obviously very much in be favourable for ukraine. Obviously very much in the be favourable for ukraine. Obviously very much in the embryonic be favourable for ukraine. Obviously very much in the embryonic stages l be favourable for ukraine. Obviously | very much in the embryonic stages at these moments. Thank you very much for your contributions these evening bruno. With me is journalist and former news anchor at cnn, nina dos santos. Bruno making some important points there. This is an important moment and if there was to be a peace plan you would in to speak, given what is going on in kharkiv, it would not be on the terms of the ukrainians, it would not be crimea coming back to ukraine. You wonder whether the ukrainians will be prepared to accept such a deal. Ukrainians will be prepared to accept such a deal. They flatly set in the past, repeatedly that they will not and have past, repeatedly that they will not and have been backed up with Western Summers and have been backed up with western supporters in that position having said that, supporters in that position having said that, obviously, what we have to talk said that, obviously, what we have to talk about is that there is exhaustion in ukraine as well. They are having exhaustion in ukraine as well. They are having to mobilise more young people. Are having to mobilise more young people, that is notjust a question of weaponry that they have to get access of weaponry that they have to get access to of weaponry that they have to get access to and to the front line. They access to and to the front line. They also, access to and to the front line. They also, essentially, need more slow they also, essentially, need more siowjurors they also, essentially, need more slowjurors soldiers and zelensky is happy slowjurors soldiers and zelensky is happy to slowjurors soldiers and zelensky is happy to drafted more people to man the is happy to drafted more people to man the front lines. I think this is probably man the front lines. I think this is probably part of the russian playbook. That there will be a war of a tradition that russia can afford of a tradition that russia can afford and the songs they can get access afford and the songs they can get access to afford and the songs they can get access to that sort of dual use military, access to that sort of dual use military, possibly miss Military Hardware military, possibly miss Military Hardware that train is able to simply. Hardware that train is able to supply, even if china is not giving them supply, even if china is not giving them weapons, per se. They are still giving them weapons, per se. They are still giving them them weapons, per se. They are still giving them dual use material that they can giving them dual use material that they can use. That can keep russia keep they can use. That can keep russia keep fighting the war until they can sort of. Keep fighting the war until they can sort of, where kharkiv down. Remember there sort of, where kharkiv down. Rememberthere is sort of, where kharkiv down. Remember there is also a democratic . Over the remember there is also a democratic . Over the future of the future of Zelensky Over The Future of the future of zelensky because at the moment He Cannot Zelensky because at the moment he cannot Catt Zelensky because at the moment he cannot call a election because russia cannot call a election because russia may try to interview with some russia may try to interview with some sort russia may try to interview with some sort of hybrid warfare. These leaders dont some sort of hybrid warfare. These leaders dont travel some sort of hybrid warfare. These leaders dont travel much. Some sort of hybrid warfare. These leaders dont travel much. Xi leaders dont travel much. Xi jinping doesnt neither does putin partly because he is facing a warrant. Forwhat partly because he is facing a warrant. For what he has done in ukraine. But also for his own security as well. What will be interesting is also how the chinese follow up on this dual purpose machinery they send to russia which is critical to the Russian Defence industry. Xijinping gave an assurance to president macron in paris that he would stop the supply, whether or not that promise holds any water we may see in the next few days. Any water we may see in the next few da s. ,. ,. , days. The . Is whether or not international days. The . Is whether or not International Bodies days. The . Is whether or not International Bodies will days. The . 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What you are seeing is, by the way this visit just comes a couple the way this visit just comes a couple of the way this visit just comes a couple of weeks after the United States couple of weeks after the United States announced more sanctions and there is states announced more sanctions and there is a states announced more sanctions and there is a big question marks over there is a big question marks over the logic there is a big question marks over the logic of there is a big question marks over the logic of announcing more and more the logic of announcing more and more sanctions on russia if the implementation of the sentients dont implementation of the sentients dont necessarily seem to work because dont necessarily seem to work because there are countries around the world because there are countries around the world and the so called global south the world and the so called global south that developing world that will trade with russia and give it access will trade with russia and give it access to will trade with russia and give it access to some form of foreign currencies access to some form of foreign currencies. So it is notjust the dual currencies. So it is notjust the dual use, currencies. So it is notjust the dual use, it currencies. So it is notjust the dual use, it is also money as well that is dual use, it is also money as well that is on dual use, it is also money as well that is on the table that we have discussed that is on the table that we have discussed here as well. A that is on the table that we have discussed here as well. Discussed here as well. A very good oint. I discussed here as well. A very good point i have discussed here as well. A very good point. I have overlooked discussed here as well. A very good point. I have overlooked the discussed here as well. A very good point. I have overlooked the fact i point. I have overlooked the fact that this is his first visit since being elected to a new term. He has been elected. Joe biden, of course still has to win his election. President joe biden and former President Donald Trump have both accepted an invitation from cnn to debate onjune 27th. That is several months earlier than the traditional schedule for president ial debates and certainly it will set the tone for the final months of the campaign. President biden said, only recently, that he was happy to debate trump, but he was non committal on the format of those debates. Today he issued a video accepting the challenge. Trump lost two debates to me in 2020. Since then he hasnt shown up for debate. Now he acts like he wants to debate me again. Well, make my day, pal. Ill even do it twice. So lets pick the date, donald. I hear youre free on wednesdays. You may have just seen a flash on the screen, there was a response. And in a post to truth social on wednesday, donald trump accepted the revised schedule i am ready and willing to debate crooked joe at the two proposed times injune and september, adding he would strongly recommend more than the two debates proposed. I was quite surprised to see this because we normally dont see these debates until the final few weeks of the campaign. What you think is behind it . Mr; the campaign. What you think is behind it . Y. ,. ,, the campaign. What you think is behind it . Y. ,. , behind it . My former boss who used to run cnn, behind it . My former boss who used to run cnn. No behind it . My former boss who used to run cnn, no longer behind it . My former boss who used to run cnn, no longer running behind it . 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Forgotten he had gone but you think you think you set the i but you think you think you set the train and some months ago for this . Obsolete there will be discussions and you and i know how this works in the broadcast sector for a couple of decades and there will have been many stage manage discussions that have been going on between us broadcasters in the white house. This broadcasters in the white house. As my former boss would know. Broadcasters in the white house. As. My former boss would know. Exactly, we are equal my former boss would know. Exactly, we are equal. But my former boss would know. Exactly, we are equal. But i my former boss would know. Exactly, we are equal. But i think my former boss would know. Exactly, we are equal. But i think there my former boss would know. Exactly, we are equal. But i think there will. We are equal. But i think there will be lots of Prep Discussions particularly if you look at how controlled the message is from us president joe biden. Even in that message where he is trying to look like the tough guy, it is quite funny, but also very controlled and quite stage managed. So i wonder, given the fact there is only a four or five year gap given the fact there is only a four orfive year gap in given the fact there is only a four or five year gap in age between the two potential next us president s, there is a figure gap, it seems that the. ~. ,. , there is a figure gap, it seems that the. ~. , ~ , there is a figure gap, it seems that the. ~. , the. With do you think they look at the polls the. With do you think they look at the polls which the. With do you think they look at the polls which are the. With do you think they look at the polls which are neck at the polls which are neck and neck, slightly leaning at the moment you think they see this as may be a way to shift the balance . I think joe biden way to shift the balance . I think joe biden has way to shift the balance . I think joe biden has been way to shift the balance . I think joe biden has been criticised joe biden has been criticised quite a lot for being too stage managed, too controlled, not dynamic. Not spontaneous enough and as a result, he has thrown down the gavel on this particular issue. But you are talking about this and the reality is the longer the conflict between israel and gaza and hamas in gaza continues, that continues to erode support in some of those key swing states there are large much populations in. That is not an issue for the republicans and not an issue for the republicans and not an issue for trump but it is an issue for the democratic party. Democratic party. Yes, they certainly democratic party. Yes, they certainly need democratic party. Yes, they certainly need to democratic party. Yes, they certainly need to shift democratic party. Yes, they certainly need to shift the l democratic party. Yes, they certainly need to shift the momentum because when you look at the economy, the me put some polls up for you. The latest abc news holes. It shows the Economy Inflation certainly among the top issues for americans in this upcoming election. More americans the Antitrust Trump On issues than by into that will deftly come up in the debate. It is a similar problem for the government here. The Counsellorjeremy Hunt has written an open letter to the times in which he claims that despite the bombs, twists and turns he put it, and the economic recovery, a visibly important is doing better than voters currently proceed. The uk Growth Figures for the start of the year, were better than had been expected. Technically, the uk has now emerged from a recession. The economy grew 0. 6 between january and march, the fastest rate for two years. Thats better than the eurozone, better than france and germany. But are people feeling it . One of the best ways to measure how voters are feeling is the monthly Gfk Consumer Confidence indicator. And yes, it has improved sharply from the negative low, 30, a year ago to the current negative 19. When you ask people what they think of their personal financial situation, and the general economic outlook, people believe things are improving. But then ask them if they feel confident enough to make a big ticket purchases, a house, a car, a big holiday. There is still a lot of caution there. And while inflation is now nearing the bank of englands 2 target, dont forget we have had cumulative price growth of around 20 23 since the First Quarter of 2022. So prices across the average basket are up more than a fifth. And that, by the way, is a similar picture in the United States. You will see many of these figures in the us are heading in the same direction broadly improving. But whether people feel it when prices are higher and Interest Rates are over 5 , the evidence in these polls suggests no they do not. Thats what they will tussle over when it comes this debate. I think in the united when it comes this debate. I think in the United States, when it comes this debate. I think in the United States, nobody when it comes this debate. I think. In the United States, nobody seems to answer this question as to why the electorate is not giving Joe Bidens Administration a bit more credit for the economy actually doing a lot better than anywhere else in the world. The Labour Market being particularly robust, i would argue it is quite a different picture over here. I think it is a bit of an overstretch for the chancellor to claim that the economy has turned a corner and obviously thatis has turned a corner and obviously that is a important political message if youre going to call an election in a few monthss time