Putin is bluffing this war by putting his entire economy onto a war footing in a way that isnt sustainable for russia over the years he would have to continue it for. Its important that the west does not blink. When you see what has happened in kharkiv, the second biggest city in ukraine, it is because, im afraid, the civilised world took their eyes off the ball just for a little while, we saw how long it took to get that package through the us congress because of internal politics there, and this is the actual upshot, this you are blaming the us, then. Im not blaming them but the internal politics meant that the money did not flow in the way that in the uk were giving consistent amounts of money, then we increased it again, added an extra half a billion so we are giving them 3 billion this year, plus different packages. It is important that support is consistent because if you stop these are the problems you see. At the moment it is some villages on the outskirts of kharkiv, and it is very important that the aid flows to ukraine so that they can push that back, and they will, but it does not get into this mess again. You are pointing at hold ups in america. America and elsewhere. We have given on a consistent basis and we have been very forward leaning. When i speak to my opposite number or president zelensky, they would say that ukraine might not be in this war, had it not been for britain being prepared to be so forward leaning in our supported them. Other European Countries could be doing more, and we must not have this stop start. So the uk has been generous. If you go around kyiv, you will see flags which are half ukraine, half unionjack. We have been a couple of times. As piers is suggesting, there is more that the uk could do, and some of our viewers think this. Julie has been in touch to say why isnt the uk giving ukraine what they need to defeat russia, are we scared of upsetting a bully . Is it ok to shoot down a Missiles Heading to israel but not russian ones that are pummelling the life out of ukraine. There was a difference. Israel is a democratic country but it is not in nato, and nor is ukraine, of course. Ukraine are in a war against russia who are trying to undermine nato. We dont want to be in a direct conflict with russia, but we are determined to supply the weapons, the resources, the training, 65,000 ukrainians trained in britain with partnerships from other countries, so we are doing all of that, but we do not intend to go and fight that war. In israel, different circumstances. Iran, whose only interest is keeping themselves in power, theology, attacking a democracy, i think everyone thinks it is right to stop those incoming missiles are reaching a democracy in this situation. There was a question of principle. Asjulie, our viewer laid out that principle, and what president zelensky said in recent days, we have 25 of what we need to defend ukraine, just 25 . Isnt there more that the uk and its allies should be doing now . If everybody was acting in the way that the United Kingdom has, ukraine would clearly have a lot more resource. Each year, we have increased the amount of money going to ukraine to fight the war in addition to other assistance, probably about £12. 5 billion overall, so far. We are providing more gifting, i have outlined below today of weapons that are coming to the end of our usefulness and we are providing them for ukraine, a lot of land weapons, boots and other things, missile defences, and this country has organised internationally the International Fund for ukraine to collect money from others to provide for ukraine. My point is that we are the second biggest spender in nato, by far the biggest Military Spender in europe, asjens stoltenberg, the nato secretary general, said to me last week. We want others to match what we are doing and that will help ukraine. There is a question about how they are fighting and how they are allowed to fight. Would it be acceptable for ukrainians to use british supplied weaponry to attack inside russia . We have been very clear with the world and helpful to ukraine. For example, providing permissions for our weapons to be used throughout the whole of ukraine. In russia . That includes crimea, which was taken by putin in 2014. We do not get into how we would allow targeting of our weapons to be used outside of that, but we provide weapons to ukraine, in orderfor them to defend their country. Before we get onto, should they be used over borders into russia, there is the question of other countries providing those permissions for the weapons to be used in crimea, because that is a very important, the black sea is a very important. There was a clear request from president zelensky, he believes should not be any ban on how they weapons are used once they are granted. Do you, as the British Defence secretary, think it should be up to president zelensky to decide how to use those weapons, or up to the country who has provided them . They are in a war. They need to defend their own territory. I get well youre doing here. I cannot go into the specifics of those private conversations about how they weapons are precisely used, i cannot go into detail, but i can be absolutely clear that those weapons can and should add are, in our case, used in the whole of ukraine including crimea. This is very important because the black sea and crimea was uncontested after putin took it in 2014. Since the uk involvement and bringing in other countries, france as america, to support us, that is very much contested. The Russian Black Sea fleet no longer sails in the black sea. That is the first time for probably 250 years that they have not had the freedom of their own navigation there. It is important to let ukraine prosecute this war. I cannot go into specifics about how the weapons may be used because there are sensitive issues. Your colleague david cameron, the foreign secretary, has talked about this before, american politicians have spoken about it, why wont you . It is not something i can go into on air, about those targeting decisions. In terms of general levels of Defence Spending, rishi sunak recently said the election of keir starmer would make the country less safe because labour wouldnt commit to matching your pledge of Defence Spending of 2. 5 of the size of the economy, but that has only been policy for a couple of weeks. So was rishi sunak a danger, last month . I made a speech at Lancaster House in london injanuary saying that it is a more dangerous world, i used the phrase, having moved from post war, to pre war, and then we work through because these things cannot happen through Wishful Thinking, you have to say how you will pay for it. The answer is that we would reduce the size of the Civil Service back to where it was before covid, and use that money to help pay for the increase in Defence Spending. It was borisjohnson� s policy in 2022 and a couple of weeks ago rishi sunak accused keir starmer of being a danger to the nation for not committing to the same thing thatjust a few weeks ago, you had not committed to. Is Itjust Electioneering . You have to start coming up with plants and if you dont have a route to get that its Wishful Thinking to say we want to get there, people will quite rightly question whether thats likely to be the case. Why . Because keir starmer leads a party where dozens voted against the Nuclear Deterrent which he now says he is in favour of. He twice supported a leader who wanted to get us out of nato. Isnt this the kind of things that drives our view is round the twist . You are accusing labour of Being A Dangerfor being in exactly the same position that you were in a matter of weeks ago. The difference is i think we are now getting towards, and we said there will be an election in the second half of the year, we are getting towards the general election in the second half of the year and its not unreasonable to expect Political Parties to set up their platform. If they are unable to land its Wishful Thinking, we wont swim the size of the Civil Service as weve said to pay for it, then how are you going to pay for it . Those are reasonable questions for us and as the media. The first thing to do is to get us to 2. 5 . We need to do this at a speed where we dontjust sock in imports in defensive equipment from america and elsewhere, we build our own Industrial Base and the path weve set to 2. 5 allows us to build up our industry to be able to produce that defence equipment and there are about 400,000 people who work in that industry and we want to expand that. I want to speak about gaza, but first i want to ask you about a story this morning that the uk right now has only got one plane to send to the d day commemorations for a parachute display. Its massively important to commemorate and remember the past otherwise we will end up making the same mistakes in the future. This was only brought to me very recently and i certainly do want to see that properly covered so ive no doubt we will have additional planes there. It is actually the case that the aircraft are being used in operations at the moment, one of the reasons why i had successfully argued to get 75 billion more in cash terms into our armed forces because i think we do need to be doing more. The first batch of aid has been delivered across a temporary peer off the coast of gaza. We can show our viewers those pictures. We think there are more than a Million People in that tiny strip of land without enough food, without enough water, without enough fuel. The worlds solution appears to be this floating platform that is shorter than southend pier. Do you really think this is going to match up to the scale of the challenge which is potentially famine in for more than a Million People . Of course it isnt, and it would be ridiculous to suggest otherwise. Does that mean we shouldnt be doing it . Of course we should be doing it. The uk, without much fanfare, have been delivering aid by sea, air, road and the pier is another way of getting in aid. We are helping to organise the dispatch of that from cyprus. We have the command and patrol ship in Rfa Cardigan Bay in the mediterranean, and we are getting that aid onto the landing gaza. Of course its not the only thing we should be doing, it would be ridiculous to suggest otherwise. Tomorrow we are going to see the publication of the report into the Infected Blood Scandal which affected so many people over such a long time. Can you commit to spending the 10 billion on compensation we understand is on the way . I think its taken far too long to get to this point. This has been going on for decades. Ive had constituents, a mother and father who sadly lost their son decades ago. The fact its taken all this time to get to the truth is heartbreaking. I havent yet seen the report, the government has already said it will want to respond quickly, so i know that thats what will happen. Can you confirm the compensation . Im not in a position to talk about it but i do know from my own constituents case work its heartbreaking and its the system over decades having let down those families. A 14 year old boy has died and a 13 year old boy is in a Critical Condition after getting into difficulty in the river tyne at 0vingham in northumberland on saturday, the boys went into the water near to 0vingham bridge yesterday afternoon and multiple Emergency Service crews were deployed to the scene. Police have asked the public to stay away from the area. I want to repeat that brighter news, a 14 year old boy has died and a 13 year old is in Critical Condition after they got into difficulties in the river tyne. We will bring you more updates when we have them. We were talking about the Infected Blood Scandal earlier, and we also heard grant shapps speaking to laura kuenssberg, describing the Infected Blood Scandal is heartbreaking. He also said there was a shared responsibility to put it right. An inquiry into the uks Biggest Health scandal will release its final report on monday. The scale of what happened is almost unprecedented in british medical history. More than 30,000 people in britain were infected with hiv and hepatitis c after being given contaminated Blood Products by the National Health service in the 19705, � 80s and � 90s. Many have since died, while some unknowingly passed infections on to partners who then died. Victims and their families have spent decades fighting for compensation. Joining me now is cara mcgoogan, a journalist who has investigated the uk Blood Scandal for her book, the poison line. And Stephen Smith who contracted hepatitis c from a contaminated Blood Transfusion when he was 22. Thank you both for your time. Cara, before i bring you in, stephen, i want to understand your story. We mentioned there that you contracted hepatitis a after a contaminated Blood Transfusion. Now, first, when did you first start noticing the symptoms . I did you first start noticing the symptoms . Did you first start noticing the s mtoms . ,. , ,. , symptoms . I had a Blood Transfusion in december symptoms . I had a Blood Transfusion in december of symptoms . I had a Blood Transfusion in December Of 1985 symptoms . I had a Blood Transfusion in December Of 1985 after symptoms . I had a Blood Transfusion in December Of 1985 after putting symptoms . I had a Blood Transfusion in December Of 1985 after putting myj in December Of 1985 after putting my foot through a glass door, i severed an artery and lost 4. 5 pints of blood. I had four transfusions in total, and i would say probably six months after that, so probably 1986, i started to notice that my mood was changing and i was being very lethargic. I did used to do sport backin lethargic. I did used to do sport back in the day, so i didnt realise and it went on for 36 years until i did find out and it came as a hell of a shock. Did find out and it came as a hell of a shock of a shock. That is an incredible amount of of a shock. That is an incredible amount of time of a shock. That is an incredible amount of time to of a shock. That is an incredible amount of time to wait of a shock. That is an incredible amount of time to wait before l of a shock. That is an incredible i amount of time to wait before you found out what went wrong. Could you describe the moment you were told . I used to live in essex, and i moved four years ago. Whilst i was in essex, i was having conversations with doctors and consultants because of the pain. I moved to cornwall for a better way of life, and luckily i did, because the test i was having in essex were coming up negative, and when i moved to cornwall it was and when i moved to cornwall it was a little gp in cornwall, and it was during a phone call when he asked about my health in general, so i said the usual, stomach pains, back pains, depressed all the time, tired. He said, what is that all about . I said, tired. He said, what is that all about . Isaid, i dont tired. He said, what is that all about . I said, i dont know, so he decided, he was the only one who decided, he was the only one who decided, i will give you a test, and that came back for hepatitis c, and in 2021, around june time, i received a phone call and was told that i have got hepatitis c. What is that . I had heard about it. That . I had heard about it. There have been that . I had heard about it. There have been some that . I had heard about it. There have been some spikes that . I had heard about it. There have been some spikes in that . I had heard about it. There l have been some spikes in hepatitis that . I had heard about it. There have been some spikes in Hepatitis A Blood Tests now that this is being covered widely, im sorry that it took so long for you to find out what happened. Ijust want took so long for you to find out what happened. I just want to ask, took so long for you to find out what happened. Ijust want to ask, i know this is difficult, reliving it is difficult, but your wife died from liver cancer, and you have told our producer before this that you were concerned that perhaps your own diagnosis had had something to do with it. That question hasnt been answered, but i wonder, you already have all the difficulty of what you have all the difficulty of what you have talked about, about reliving this as well, i appreciate that. How have you come to terms, have you come to terms with the Unanswered Questions about your wifes death . Well, you just mentioned the other person that you have got coming on, cara, and when i first found out about having hepatitis a, i knew very little about it, so i was advised to get in touch with the hepatitis trust, who were very helpful, and i was also advised to talk to a lady called karen mcgugan, she explained more about the Infected Blood Scandal than anyone. Cara mcgoogan. I decided to look into it, and the difference between me and the haemophiliacs, who have had a horrendous time, it is all going to come