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I think that this is also a unique experience when we have the opportunity to see different programs, many opinions, different faces, leading journalists on the same button. This, in my opinion, is cool. Hello to belarus 1 to belarus come on four programs of the editors club, as always we are discussing in this studio 600 on bakarenko street, 9, the most important topic of the departing. Uh, seven days. Well, according to the already established tradition. Let me introduce the guests who came to us today on the program Dmitry Alexandrovich zhuk the head of the holding sb belarus today marat markov under the soviet government zoo the Second National tv channel alexander pokovsky director of the information and Educational Institution actual concept political scientist. And Vladimir Kornilov political scientist historian publicist journalists. Good evening. Thank you very much for coming to our studio. How much is written in ukraine vladimirovich so that ukraine or russia there are no editors, i will choose russia of course, russia uh, russia well, uh, we, what, are not here discussed over the past few years. So anyway ukraine yes, thats all, get used to it, because it is important for us to worry about words. And today, probably, too, most of the time. Our program will be dedicated to this topic. Although we will touch on them, the president of belarus gave an interview to a ukrainian journalist yesterday. I dont know Diana Panchenko at this hour. How many 12 oclock in the afternoon there are already more than a million views on different platforms, well, a huge number of views, well, surprisingly , the topic, firstly, worries everyone, not only belarus Russia Ukraine to europe and not im afraid of the word to the rest of the continent in hotels, the president of belarus was still carried away now involved in these events. And, of course, we are interested in finding out some details, for the benefit of the state. In detail, as far as i understand, he can reveal some things about the current situation. Uh, gave his opinion on why . It all happened. What mistakes were made that led to the fact that this did not end with, uh, peace negotiations, who is to blame . We can already draw our own conclusions. Yes, based on these stories and other information that e came to us, how things are now at the front. What is the prospect of ukraine if there is such a prospect . Now it is difficult to talk about it, but the forecasts are more and more tragic about the fate of this country. I dont know, so i dont believe it, and the president spoke about it again, and we talked a lot about it, that ukraine had some plans to seize ukraine, then belarus, you know, then the Baltic States believe. I think you all do too. We remember maidan 2014. We are up to the program remembered and then i watched in real time for hours. Its just that sometimes they started, even at the olympics in sochi, at some point, absolutely some kind of nazi character, the development of events on e, maidan took on an antirussian character, and an antimaidan appeared. I remember that yes, a bus from the crimea goes, beaten people were killed, then you yourself were confused, you heavenly hundred. Well , such frank antirussia was built, at least, but about the nazi regimes, maybe it was peering, of course, the question of crimea yes, a decision was made on the entry of crimea into Russian Federation well, first of all, historical lands. Secondly, uh, russian people live there, but thirdly, this territory, it seems to me, has pushed back all the red lines, if the russian leadership had them, then it is absolutely right. They in that situation had both in my opinion. Eh, i cant understand one thing to accept the decision that was made, here is Vladimir Vladimirovich to you. I want to turn to ukraine for a long time , you lived and you come from donbass, we all the time speak western. Im still here, uh. Lets, like a man who lived in ukraine well at least one reason was for a simple ukrainian to behave in this way in relation to the Russian Federation to the russian people to the russian language, so that this would lead to such tragic. Eh, economic political historical mental events. How could one succumb thats all and thus bring the situation to the present. Well, you know, ordinary ukrainians. They did not participate in all this by and large. If you look at the sociology, even that period at the height of the maidan, most ukrainians did not support this maidan, that is, the same in the height of the maidan still in the first place according to opinion polls was yanukovych according to the rating, that is, many ordinary ukrainians decided that this was not their war, not their conflict, that somewhere in kiev someone was fighting for power and nothing more , then these stories about the freedomloving ukrainian people to the city, it turns out a myth, if the majority was against what they were silent, such a majority still knew that this was not their war, that, in principle, all this was developing next. Maidan, you know, he was not alone, then it will all fade away. But when it finally came, the war came to them, when in the end they began to kill on their streets. Yes, how they came to odessa louder, set fire to people, right . And so on. Here it began to dawn on many that this was it. This concerns them directly, but this antirussian russophobic technology was launched in ukraine a very long time ago, and long before the maidan , russia and the ukrainian leadership were indeed warned about this at various periods. Many played along. Many did not believe that something could get out of control. E in russia to be honest, for a very long time there was such an attitude towards the fact that yes. Well, well, well , the economy will take everything out, that is, there will be economic ties accordingly. And ideology is all secondary, tertiary. Eh, and it was voiced after all, uh, at a high level, so to speak, e and it was not in vain that Alexander Grigoryevich said in this interview that everyone is to blame, and russia and ukraine and belarus, that is, respectively, just like that, relative to everything, we allowed everything it, that is, at all. Big fault, but hmm the technology was launched correctly untwisted for a long time scrupulously. And thats what you cant refuse ukrainian nationalists. Well, and, accordingly, those who fed them. Its in the system. They have been moving towards this for a long time since the 1980s, when they let all this diaspora, who were holed up in munich, into ukraine , they let it into its power, and so on. It all started all from the project, antirussia. Uh, got absolute support. That is, everyone pursued their own goals, it turns out they are drawn to the stylistic forces that were in the underground, they got power. It was profitable received access to Financial Resources and so on, and the United States is there, i dont know, lets put it this way, rudely. Here is the president , all the guys, lately, he only talks about them, that they receive the main benefits or received antirussia in order to further collapse. I dont know, but in russia china and so on. So, in quality. Yes, at first against the soviet union, later, in general, lets say against some of our common common civilizational interests, because ukraine, belarus and russia make up a space between them east slavic civilization. Here, in my opinion, the ukrainian ideology of ukrainian nationalism is a battering ram against this single civilizational code, and if we turn to the events of 2014, they were in kiev at that time and i can say that not only the rest of ukraine , but in general and the vast majority of the inhabitants ukrainian capital. They introduced an absolutely lawabiding, habitual way of life. As far as in ukraine it was then possible to argue the category of law, and the coup was carried out by the hands of social active politicized reduction, the driving forces of which were detachments of ukrainian nationalists, but not nationalities came to power. Representatives of the oligarchic contrador, and the ruling sloyka of ukraine, came who simply adopted these ideas for themselves. Uh, because in this way they demonstrated their loyalty to the states. Well, objectively speaking, we understand that neither yatsenyuk, nor poroshenko, nor the current leader of ukraine zelensky, in the classical sense of the word , are adherents of ukrainian nationalism. Ideological people. That is exactly the same foam at the mouth. They could also implement another ideology. If they had some financial motives for this, i dont know the motives there, for example, recruitment. I apologize for this word. Yes. There may be a mental other of some kind of zelensky by representatives of the western politicians, but in all likelihood it is screwed up. Hes pretty tight. Thats because he sang a completely opposite theses. Than those that he expressed during his Election Campaign in 2019. Remember there he was russianspeaking and he guaranteed about you, respectively, he promised to kneel before the president of russia only for the sake of concluding peace, but then he turned around 180 . Why , by the way, was preceded by a series of meetings with the leaders of british intelligence, this, without going into conspiracy theories, these are absolutely known facts available from open sources. Uhhuh yes everyone had their own interests, it turns out in this situation. There are parallels to be drawn here. In the end. Uh, its always the active minority one way or another with the passive everywhere. Yeah uh the majority of the population it implements its plans. And very much here. Well, in my opinion two things need to be remembered, history shows how it was. This was in 1917, the same 240. 000 great centuries. Yes, at that time it turned over 200 million russia, no matter how it was, that in belarus there was a different attempt to do the same thing, they were going here with the help of these 100,000 million, as they call them, and half of which have now left, and the other half is here now, uh, repenting on camera and in fact, we are talking about exactly those the notorious three percent that they drew for us and now, it turns out now eh. The fact that we are lucky, because in addition to the fact that the minority must be active, yes, that is , its presence is necessary to turn the country around, but there must also be a leader , so we had a leader thanks to which this did not happen in belarus, and now today we talked with Vladimir Vladimirovich yes. Uh, well, in ukraine it happened, because there were no leaders who would be able to think about the consequences precisely about the consequences about what will happen in the country, and this moment is actually very important, because , uh, you must always calculate the situation in advance, and we have said many times in this studio that a rocket flies into the house when it arrives. She doesnt understand. Who are you, yes . Or a thirdparty authority, it arrives and destroys everything and the most important thing is, in principle, what the president was talking about yesterday, uh, in an interview ukraine did not understand this and yanukovych in his time. C did not understand what this weakness of power, which he allowed, would lead to. Unfortunately, he allowed this as a result, hundreds of thousands of dead ukrainians correctly said about the conditions, but in ukraine there were conditions initially, because the most effective mechanism for destabilizing any society is an internal split. There have always been conditions for an internal split in ukraine, and this division into eastern and western ukrainians. It took place and why it was from there that antirussia began. Yes, everything is very. I can just say my personal experience will be everything schoolboy back in the days of the soviet union in the early eighties. We often went on Railway Excursions , including in western ukraine lviv mukachevo uzhgorod so at that time, if you spoke russian, everyone could refuse the kid, yes, in the service in the store, as soon as you started speaking belarusian, the situation changed , that is, precisely antirussia. They are some kind of their ukrainian superiority on something, and it was already then and it was competently used later, when with emigration they really returned those ukrainians who fled from soviet power and who fell into power. Yes. Lets talk earlier much in the fiftysixth year, when our policemen of the ukrainian bandera were amnestied, these people were returned to society. And these people raised their children. Uhhuh well, somehow it was. But look what happened next, if in our belarusian mentality, certain actions are unacceptable, because it cannot be. I mean the memory of the war, yes, and the erasure of memory. Yes, we probably have. More 30 of the population was simply slaughtered. Yes, they were cut during the war. There are not only germans, including the same bandera. Yes and here is the return, and the ideology of the policemen belarusian society. It was impossible because of this, then in ukraine unfortunately, locally in the west, these things became an opportunity and began. All when in the fourth year i do not get tired. To repeat this in the third illegal round , yushchenko was elected president , in fact, having made a coup and with his help made shukhevych and bandera a hero of ukraine. This turned society upside down and gave beacons to the young generation of ukrainians. In fact, they were told, you can zigger, you know, i ll bet a little here, of course, it has begun. Its much earlier. I to you i have kept at home. Sometimes he brought online directly showed on tv screens a textbook that, uh, launched, uh, in the early nineties. Uh, they were published thanks to the money of, uh, the canadian ukrainian deaspora. Yes, in ukraine as a guide for Primary School children, where there were already muscovites ruins and in. That, there, these Yuri Dolgoruki with these, long arms, which are up to until now , everything from russia is drawn to our ukraine. This, of course, was launched much earlier. That is, yushchenko has already come to e, determined on the prepared ground. Yes, but uh and uh with the children of the policemen, its also not so easy to understand that there were bandera people. Yes indeed returned, but eh uh, their descendants are a small part of ukrainian society. They werent popular. Uh, in the early nineties, and there in ukraine, in western ukraine, especially in rivne, lets say, where they hated bandera, remembering how they cut them out. Ah, ukrainian villages. Yes, there w you understand most of all. Most of all, the banderaites killed the melnikovites and banderaites of the ukrainians, but uh, or look yes, zelensky then as a Red Army Soldier uh yushchenko there, then, then to uh, a prisoner and so on. Well, not the cops. Yes, they all came from the superimposed e, friendship with russia of the people of the world. We have two prowestern president s. After all, they just won. Yes, in fact, uh, and they won thanks to the maidan coups. I mean, yunchenko and poroshenko the rest came. On the slogans, the russian language , along with the ukrainian language, is friendship with russia , including zelensky, of course, first of all zelensky well, first of all. I would point out that it is still here. Uh, lets just say, of course, collective guilt is present for everyone, because we allowed these disassemblies inside our house, that is , inside this community, which i immediately called the being a slavic civilization, but first of all, of course, those leaders of ukraine who either had a certain subjectivity, as kumu either should have had every opportunity to show subjectivity, like yanukovych, but here the situation differs radically from the belarusian one in that other motives were put at the forefront. 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