There is no better designer than nature itself, how to talk about the most important things without words, touch the art of saying it with flowers. Floristry is more than a bouquet, look at the fashion for Culture Program this weekend on the belarus 244 tv channel. Today in our studio, wellknown people from belarus are waiting for a solid pool of experts from poland, they will join us in the studio via video link from warsaw, as well as people who arrived here to belarus from poland, well, our correspondents visited the belarusianpolish border. Together lets discuss what our country actually needs to expect from our neighbor, what will happen after the elections, taking into account the Historical Context and modern realities of official warsaw. The quintessence of claims against belarus was most clearly manifested in the geopolitical dreams of the peice party. Let me remind you that she won the elections in 2005 and 2015 with the slogan of transition to the fourth polishlithuanian commonwealth. This refers to the revival of poland within the socalled borders. From moges to moges. Well, at different periods of history , polands territorial appetites were constantly turned to towards the belarusian lands, at some point, this is the entire territory of belarus on the map, its noticeable, yes, for example, in some periods, part of it from 20 to 39, for example, centuries poland occupied western belarus, i have a question for Igor Aleksandrovich morzalyuk. Igor aleksandrovich, tell me that these phantom pains from the return of the belarusian lands, they are not just phantom, they are simply different in reality, more subtle, more intelligent, more isolated, to put it very succinctly, then the poles, especially after like the catastrophe that happened to interwar poland after the year thirtynine, they came to a different concept, when we talk about the concept of the fourth polishlithuanian commonwealth, we must clearly understand that this does not mean a formal annexation of, say. Lithuania, belarus, ukraine , no, this is completely different, this is an emphasis on the fact that poland recognizes the sovereignty of all these countries, at the same time, it is creating the socalled mozarism in europe as soon as possible, the meaning is that poland is positioning itself as, say, a superpower in europe, eastern and central, they believe that this is the fourth polishlithuanian commonwealth, if you treat its elites correctly, if its. The center that gathers these states around itself is an interstate formation, either at the level of a confederation, or some kind of minieastern the Central European union, this is the socalled jagiellonian idea read in interterrestrial categories , all this is being done so that poland becomes the first country of the European Union and can clearly move germany forward, hence the second polish trend is clearly expressed, this is the best, most correct and the most devoted ally of the United States, based on these concepts, it becomes absolutely logical to strengthen military power, militarize consciousness, create a powerful army that must adequately resist everyone else and be the most powerful military force on the european continent, first of all, this military force should not have alternative competitors in the European Union, regarding what happened on the territory of western belarus until the year thirtynine, when our territory was actually occupied by western troops, lands were distributed to polish siege soldiers. Dmitry nikolaevich, how were things going with the economy during that period, how did the territory develop or not develop under polish yoke . In a previous speech, my colleague said that it was important to draw an image of the future, a positive image, it is important to draw it today, but lets ask ourselves did poland succeed in this before 1939 . And the answer is completely obvious. Probably not for everyone in this studio, why not . Because firstly there is no recognition of the belarusian nation as such, but is this a separate question for historians . Yes, and the creation in the conditions of western belarus of a situation where it has actually become an economic raw material appendage of this main poland, in this sense, the development of industry is clearly slow compared to more western regions. There are two remarks here firstly, the most important thing is when we are talking about the twenties and thirties. Neither belarus, western, not western ukraine, received anything at the political level, there was not even personal autonomy in these lands, these were the crops sprouted, but at the same time it was guaranteed by the treaty, this was guaranteed by the small treaty of versailles, but then in the thirties, the same beck minister officially announced the complete withdrawal of poland from the treaty of versailles, and this is the first moment, if in the twenties the poles fought with the belarusian and ukrainian Political National movement, otherwise in the thirties they destroyed all cultural forms, and lets not forget, the most eloquent document, which was First Published only to belarusian historians, who worked in the polish archives, this is a professor from brest, alexander vabeshchevich, this is a plan dated 1937, its meaning is about strengthening poland on the sown lands, about internal colonization, if it were to become, and it was approved, the fact is that the poles carried out closed sociological studies and they are very disappointed. To deal with this interwar situation dangerous for the National Security of poland on the lands of western belarus, it was planned to resettle 6 Million People to these lands, all of us to the central and western poland to disperse dispersedly, that is, this is pure incitement, when the continuity of generations is broken, to first achieve an advantage of 65 of the population, forced assimilation, and forced assimilation and deportation of the local population in the tochtonreclaimed lands in central western poland, the poles really didnt consider us a separate nation and absolutely adopted a course of assimilation in all plans, no development of the internal, periphery, raw material appendage of poland and the most efficient use of all our natural resources, these are all realities, a fine for language, if an orthodox or Catholic Priest gave you a certificate in any other language about the birth of a child, in belarusian or russian, but not in polish, then he was prosecuted for falsifying the document, there was criminal liability , these things need to be understood, well, you are actually describing the classical colonial model, yes, that is , there is no development, there is plunder of the territory, peter, tell me, humiliation of the people, thats right, peter, tell me, in fact this is what polonization, we know, we have already encountered this, yes, well, the first before the nazis created the first concentration camp here in the twenties and thirties, that is, for us this is a bloody history, not only a bloody history, this is a certain tradition, including modern ones polish elites, why should we compare interwar poland with modern poland, because initially, there were two concepts of polish statehood, a conventionally ratlike concept, which came from kressy from a conventionally such polish National States without claims to other ethnic territories, this is primarily the concept of dmovsky, the concept of endek, to build. What do we see as a result . Today kochinsky, morovetsky, duda, the former, former president komarovsky, former president kwasniewski, they all come from the kresy , for them pelsudskys concept is a concept when the kresy, estates, where simple belarusian, ukrainian serfs work, for them it is a paradise, a memory of past generations, which was taken away from them by these damned communists, as they say, for us it is national there was liberation, here Igor Aleksandrovich, a rather interesting fact was said in 1937, about the fact that there was a plan, there was a plan for the assimilation of belarusians, but the most important thing is that then a plan was considered not only in relation to belarusian ukrainians, but in relation to jews for deportation to madagascar. That is, interwar poland dreamed of becoming such a white racial colonial system, taking its ideas from Great Britain and germany, that is, to fit into this western colonialist world, but because it had the guts of a tank to fight for some overseas colonies with the british, with the french, they had to be content with these, as they said, white underdeveloped monkeys from the sprouted crops, and unfortunately they have culture today in a more emasculated form, that is , messianic, we carry democracy as a civil platform, says, either we carry a common culture and common roots, as justice says, but what sewed that soap, in principle, historically this pilsu concept in two forms, types of distribution. Of human rights or high polish or the speech of the polishlithuanian commonwealth culture has not changed. In other words, the old concept of the state has become the dominant ideology of our western neighbor today. So, based on the above Historical Data and the programmatic statements of modern polish politicians, we are talking about revenge, this has already happened in our history. The political elites of poland have never particularly hidden how they feel about the belarusians, lets put it in words, for example, from the year thirtynine, this is a memo to the bilostok voivode henryk ostaszewski, head of the ministry of internal affairs of poland june 23, 1939. We want one thing , we insistently demand that this National Minority think in polish, give nothing in return and do nothing in a different direction. Now it is still possible to assimilate belarusians into a single mainstream of polish culture. Or later the belarusian population will be polonized. And heres another quote this is adam corvin sokolovsky, the last of novogrudok. On the one hand, she continues the idea of the previous polish military, to suppress polonize, on the other hand, it contains the thesis that, on the contrary, belarusians are an established nation, and it will have to be conquered. These lands are very different from the rest, they are not very polish and they need to be made polish. Poland must. Be united, united, the kresy are poland, but speaking between us, we need to conquer them internally once again, with peace coming to power, the worst traits, such as nationalism, russophobia and hatred of belarus, began to be fueled in every possible way in poland. Lately, unlike the poles, it hasnt even occurred to us we did not open or sponsor aggressive media in the direction of poland to advise them who to vote for in elections, what flags. To recognize. Until 2020, poland had spent about 140 Million Euros over the past 14 years on promoting soft power in belarus, and this is what is only in open sources. Now there are two most important events in poland elections and referendum. What is the situation in the country . It would be strange to talk about this without representatives of polish society. The day before we contacted the polish. Publicist, writer, political scientist, tomas gryguchy, a fairly wellknown, influential expert, asked him a number of questions, here is his opinion about the current political situation in the country, first of all, who calls the tune, lets start with the fact that when it comes to elections in poland, for many years, more than 50 poles, 50 of voters do not go to elections at all, do not participate in elections, do not vote. Yes, now, as you said, in poland there is a brutal election fight with knives, a cruel truth for us, and not only for the poles, but for everyone in the region, in that it is absolutely clear, then the will of the polish voter is not decisive, who will have power is not decided by the ballots cast in the ballot boxes, nor by the number of votes cast, someone else decides, but who is it . This is the will and decision of washington alone. We have a saying in poland when crossing a river, horses are not changed, so americans can say, well, these are clowns, these lackeys of law and justice. These are all their lackeys, clowns, antipolish clowns, lets call a spade a spade, so its not worth changing them, because these renegades and traitors who are pursuing an antipolish policy that is incompatible with the interests of the polish nation, so the americans may decide that they shouldnt be changed, let them continue to rule here, why, well, first of all, they buy American Equipment , rubbish, we dont need military equipment at all. Money is on these poles, the americans say that we earn a lot of money, this is the polish team, it does everything we want in the east, in relation to ukraine, in relation to russia, it is warsaw that does everything in in accordance with the will of washington and against the will of the polish people, so they will most likely say that we will allow peace to rule for another 4 years, it is quite possible that peace will be able to continue to rule on his own, well, here is a very clear explanation for the hectic and not very friendly actions of Political Forces in poland in relation to its neighbors, including us, belarusians, washingtons external influence, lets discuss possible scenarios for the Subsequent Development of this influence, well, its clear why the United States needs this, in principle, but why is it necessary. In poland, yes, why poland speculates on the antibelarusian agenda, well, and leads the country, one might say, to the abyss , lets start with the fact that it is not poland that is speculating, but specifically the party of law and justice, and not all polish, not all polish lites, why . Lets see, the end of may, peace rating 30 , lack of votes to take the next sejm to make a oneparty government, what are they starting . They are starting to make an image of the enemy out of belarus, that we will attack, occupy the suwalki corridor, that pmc wagner will launch some kind of special operation from our territory operation near warsaw or rzeszew, they begin to do all this, and really play on the phobias of part of the population, on those phobias that they themselves formed over the years of this third speech of the polishlithuanian commonwealth after the eighty ninth year and peaces rating increases to 40 , and then a scandal , his rating is collapsing, now they are in hysterics trying to pull for any of this propaganda thing in order to pump up the ratings, they even pulled out frank fakes from the twentyfirst year, supposedly photos at the border, what are these now . Photographs, and confrontation, the goal is to pump up their own ratings, maintain a oneparty government, remain in power, thats their main task. And here we should not talk about poland, we should talk specifically about the pisov group that is doing this, which is promoting it in its dominant media. So, what issues are being submitted to the plebiscite and how they are formulated were analyzed in detail by our colleagues. Nikita, what catches your eye when you first read the list of mandatory will questions expressed by the polish electorate, and what can be found. To the underside of this questionnaire, so to speak . The questions of the polish referendum are formulated with a certain subtext. It was added after the initial announcement of the points, a surprise to peaces opponents. Would anyone really want to deliberately harm their fellow citizens by losing control over important sectors of the economy . No, and this is what peace actually advocates, someone in their right mind wants to work longer than before, or maybe someone wants to purposefully be led. Lose to obey your National Identity to some kind of European Commission that forces you to accept and support illegal refugees, no, this is peaces election agenda. And finally, the order of the third and fourth questions has been changed, after answering the penultimate one, the awareness of the importance, indignation and desire to protect yourself from the flow of imposed eu migrants remains in your head. Peace immediately offers the answer on the border with belarus. Right justice dreams of taking a third record victory lap, but the centers poll ibris shows opposition parties led by civilians. Platforms are ahead of is in the rankings, and she resorted to decisiveness, creating a commission on russian influence, thanks to which anyone undesirable can be accused of treason. In addition, the inquisition peace will begin its report exactly in 2007, when opponents of the ruling law and justice were in power. In response, if he wins, tusk promises to bring everyone to justice, from duda to the head of the national bank. Another trick of twoface and peace. A visible change of course from personal gain supposedly to the interests of the people is increasing hatred of the ukrainians, whose cheap grain nearly brought polish farmers to their knees. Iis hastened to distance itself from kiev and become almost outspoken opponents of ukraine, declaring a cessation of arms supplies. They are playing on polish identity, todays warsaw demands an apology from kiev for the volyn massacre, and the glorified ukrainian nazi sss from the golichin division in the Canadian Parliament demands to be extradited. Everything is reminiscent of the damage caused by poland to germany during the Second World War demands 300 billion in reparations. At the same time , russia, which liberated them, decided to bill them. Fortunately, the campaign to stir up russophobic sentiments among the ordinary local population is going well. Peace plays the card of the external enemy in the form of russia like a cheater. Belarus neighbors are beginning to gather real troops under the guise of defense. Poland is ready to take joint responsibility for the formation of a new world order. Poland is ready to become one of the key links in postimperial europe. The record is known to be spoken by the states. During the reign of law and justice , poland became a key ally of the s. In europe, brussels is counting on the victory of the polish opposition and is ready to assist in this, a number of Media Outlets claim. Its no secret that the easiest way to win elections is to intimidate the people, and then make it clear who