Marathon will end this saturday, on fathers day. My colleagues will have more information at 15 00 on our air, all the best. Hello, the program is on air. Sas has the authority to declare, its presenter nadezhda sas, i am glad to welcome you, i remind you that this is a program for those who want to better understand what is happening and understand how these processes, events, people will affect the life of the country and each of us. In todays program we will talk in detail about the terrifying new phase of the arabisraeli conflict, but immediately after a digest of key events in World Politics this week. On october 13 , a meeting of the council of heads of state of the cis Member States was held in beshki. The meeting was attended by the president s of belarus Alexander Lukashenko , russia vladimir putin, kyrgyzstan, sadyr japarov, azerbaijan ilham aliyev, kazakhstan kasym zhamar takaev , tajikistan emmali rahmon, turkmenistan Serdar Berdimuhamedov and uzbekistan shavkat mirziyoyev. The summit of the cis countries, the opportunity to change the clock at the highest level on major global and regional issues. Security, counteraction to sanctions. Trade, respect for common memory and history. The middle east conflict was also not ignored. Belarusian leader Alexander Lukashenko expressed his point of view regarding the key challenges facing the organization, including the current escalation in the middle east. The west, which to this day continues to try to shake us in different directions, weaken us and subordinate us to its interests. First left our associations georgia. De facto ukraine is not with us, there are Big Questions regarding moldova , unfortunately armenia does not always behave like a partner, more and more new challenges are appearing, take the middle east, they are not only shaking us up, they are already shaking up the whole world, god forbid they stop in order not to approach the third world war, elections to the regional parliaments of the states of bavaria and hesson brought a painful defeat to all parties included in the Ruling Coalition in germany. The social democrats generally got the worst result in their history. Obviously, that the majority of germans do not trust the government of olaf scholz. At the same time , the next elections to the bundestag, the federal parliament, are scheduled only for 2025. The centerright cdu and csu won in both bavaria and hesse, but merkels successors also received a record low level of support in their history. The real triumph was the opposition alternative for germany, which took second place in hesson and third in bavaria. In general, the frg party, which advocates, among other things, the normalization of relations with russia and belarus, has the consistently second rating is increasingly coming on the heels of the cdu, which is why rumors are actively circulating that the alternative may be banned as an allegedly extremist force. The baltic connector undersea gas pipeline between finland and estonia was shut down due to a leak, which was later stopped. As the president of finland stated, there is a possibility that the gas pipeline was damaged from the outside. At the same time , seismologists in norway said they had detected a probable explosion in the area of the baltic connector gas pipeline, the magnitude was estimated at one unit. The point of damage is located in the central part of the gulf of finland, leaking Natural Gas Prices in europe increased by 8. 8 at the moment they exceeded the mark of 40 euros per megawatthour. The pipeline between finland and estonia will be returned to. Operation no earlier than april 2024, the Gas Transmission system operator said. A meeting of nato defense ministers and a meeting of the Nato Ukraine Council in the ramstein format took place in brussels. Ukrainian president Vladimir Zelensky arrived at the meeting on an unannounced visit. The situation with arms supplies for ukraine has worsened so much and is now in doubt because of the arabisraeli conflict that the ukrainian leader had to go personally in order to convince his partners that the ukrainian crisis should not be written off. As a result of the meeting, pentagon chief lloyd osin announced a new package of us military assistance to ukraine in the amount of 200 million. It will include ammunition for fvo systems, artillery, missile and aviation ammunition, antitank weapons, and equipment to counter russian drones. Today we will talk about a new the outbreak of perhaps the most protracted conflict. On the planet, blood is again being shed on the holy land, although due to the abundance of this blood shed for thousands of years, this land, or rather to be called bloody, the arabisraeli conflict seems to many to be unsolvable in principle, is this so, well talk in todays program, to understand this complex topic, i will be helped today by farhad ibragimov, political scientist, specialist in the middle east, expert at the Valdai International discussion club, hello, hello, glad to welcome sergey rochkov to our studio chairman of the council of the republic of the National Assembly of the republic of belarus on International Affairs of national security. Hello. Hello. I am glad to welcome you to our studio, i see that Dmitry Vasilets is already present. Dmitry, head of the banned Ukrainian Political Party power. Dmitry, greetings. Greetings, greetings. Today we are talking about truly terrifying events. The whole world is riveted on what is happening today. Territory of israel, a quick question according to tradition, of course, i ask each of those present at to answer him, this is a war for a long time, farhad alshamoch, what do you think . Well, it all depends on what measures the israeli leadership will take now, in principle , the israeli minister of defense last saturday said that the war will last for a long time, they themselves admitted this, in principle, apparently, they rely on certain data that come from massad, from the idf and other structures. Who are directly involved in this aspect, in principle, hamas is very seriously armed, this was a blow for many and shock, and for some not at all, but nevertheless it is believed that, in principle, yes, this war could last another week or two, in any case, this is what Many Political scientists and analysts specializing in this region say. Sergey anatolyevich, well, i think that despite all the loud statements of threats that are especially active. From the israeli side, we all remember the statement of the israeli minister of defense, who said that gas and land will be swept away from the face of the earth, i think what is usual, such hot phases of exacerbation the palestinianisraeli conflict did not go on for a very long time, so this time it may be due to the surprise of the blow, its such serious. Results and results, perhaps the conflict , this phase, will drag on longer than usual, not so long ago we spoke about the situation that is connected with kosovo, about nagornokarabakh, we have been talking about ukraine for a year and a half, these are still local conflicts, what is happening today in the holy land is a global conflict, this is really a religious war, do you agree with me dmitry, certainly yes, such centers of power, like china, the Russian Federation, the United States, and the collective arab world, but if you look closer to the soup, i would not draw conclusions that this will end quickly, because palestinian groups, including hamas, have been supplying weapons for decades , and in fact, in principle, the palestinian groups understood perfectly well that israel would launch very brutal bombing strikes and would most likely carry out. An operation after such a serious raid on israeli territory, so it still seems to me that its just that the israeli army is being lured into the gaza strip, realizing that the israeli army is not ready, which is why in the first stages we heard a statement that a ground military operation would begin within 24, 48 hours, but almost a week has already passed and sakhaal is actually even i didnt think. This suggests that there is still a risk that sahal may encounter such fierce resistance in the gas sector that the military simply will not be ready for it. And itll just turn into a bloodbath, israel will suffer very serious losses. Lets Pay Attention to the map of military operations farhat ilshamovich, who are the key allies from palestine, who can come to the rescue, who will again support israel, because in any case, this conflict has many players interested in what is happening . Well, i must say that this time everything is very ambiguous, if we are talking about the allies of palestine, then clearly the country that will support the gas sector as a whole is iran, the iranians have openly declared that they are ready to come to the aid, this is, of course, the lebanese hezbollah, which is sponsored by iran, this is, of course, a number of muslim powers that, in principle , are ready to provide assistance to the palestinians, however , there is a certain fragmentation there, polarization has arisen in a number of monarchies gulf, in particular the United Arab Emirates stated that they do not support. Hamass attack on israel, they believe that if hamas starts a war against israel, let it fight against soldiers, and not against civilians, but there is the position of saudi arabia arabia, which declared in principle that it is ready to come to the rescue, but again this will all look very aorphic, reinforced concrete support for palestine will be provided today only by iran, partially by turkey, and qatar, which continues to feed, finance and therefore hamas, in general , no matter how they dont give up on this idea, why, because everyone. Understands perfectly well that the ideology that they have formed over many decades around the israelipalestinian conflict, it must be tenacious, they have given it away completely a fair question, how long will the war last, the war will last a long time, here are active hostilities, i would like to clarify my own, which means the commentary will last 23 weeks, yes, the war is for a long time, for a very long time , because no one is going to give up, and this war, this war , is a matter of principles for everyone, hamas is a structure that was very. Poorly organized , they thought that it was aorphic for a long time, in israel, unfortunately, or fortunately , to each in their own way, they underestimated the possibilities, this grouping, because a number of countries in the middle east region are making very serious bets on it, and if we talk specifically about who will stand behind israel, continuing to answer your question, i can say the following, then this is, of course, a number of western countries, although in europe there are different views on this matter, for example, it is believed that in france and in germany there is no need to be so active in defending the positions of israel, i think that rushing too seriously into the embrasure is not entirely correct, there are americans there too very serious disagreements on this matter, if the republicans, especially donald trump, were in power now , then there would be unconditional support for israel, since the democrats are in power and biden, who, it is no secret, has such a personal dislike for netanyahu, after all, behaves with restraint in relation to this issue, by the way, you noticed how the United States of america immediately said who can interfere, who cannot, who can be supported, who cannot, Sergei Anatolyevich, our belarusian viewer, he perceives what is happening, indeed, as something happening far away, this is not ukraine , which is located next to the borders, there are no strong sympathies, who to support, who is not, for you personally, who is the victim, who is the attacker, because the situation, if we look the historical origins are extremely complex, you know, despite the fact that this is really much further than ukraine, but probably our audience today is more sensitive to this situation, because in general the situation in the world is very difficult, the aggravation of this conflict speaks , really about turbulence, World Politics, about the reformatting of the whole world, and when there is a reformatting, then. And there is much less stability, you know, its difficult for me to determine my personal position, because for almost 6 years i was the permanent representative of the republic of belarus to the league arab states, so of course i am deeply immersed in this issue and know all aspects literally, but of course, we must return, apparently to november. 1947, when the World Community, the United Nations, decided that there should be two states on this land is very difficult to implement, but nevertheless, in 1948 they implemented part of this idea and this political decision, why didnt they implement the second part, but you know, Sergei Anatolyevich, a number of experts on the middle east, they claim that the palestinian problem. The main conclusion is that the league of arab states is again in favor of resuming the peaceful process of resolving this conflict. Of course, today there are a lot of players, many interests are tied up in this region, not all interests they, of course, coincide, there are frankly , a group of countries, as for the suitcase without a handle, well, you know, we must return again to your message, because there are ordinary people, there are almost 2 million ordinary people in the gas sector, and there is hamas , which launched such an attack that israel was not ready for, and there are very serious casualties among. Population, but first of all this is because the internal political confusion in israel has led, among other things, to the fact that it probably exists in the security forces, in the ministry of defense in tzakhali, which is not managed to predict and foresee and prevent such a development of events. I am addressing this question to you, indeed, some of Benjamin Netanyahus statements drew certain analogies with president poroshenko, you remember when they turned off the water to crimea, we remember what the food blockade of donbass was like, today we hear intelligible comments from International Organizations addressed to Benjamin Netanyahu , which , unfortunately, was not heard before in the situation with ukraine, crimea and other territories. That is today i think that a number of countries in the World Community understand that in this situation the behavior of the conflicting parties is naturally incorrect and inhumane, here, of course, there are official comments from israeli officials, absolutely cannibalistic and i think its not worth commenting on them, in principle and it is clear that it is nazism that seriously emanates from them. And here we still need to look more into the future, because now, if we analyze the situation in the region, there is only one country that is de facto can now play a very creative role and specifically contribute directly to the implementation of the United Nations resolution on the creation of a palestinian state, this is turkey, turkey has enough military technical capabilities so that the israeli army stops attacks on the gas sector, this also applies to air defense, this also applies to the fleet, this concerns primarily the status of turkey as a nato country, because according to the fifth article of the nato charter, the United States, the European Union and so on, all countries who participate in the nato bloc, they are forced to defend nato member countries if they are suddenly attacked, that is, in fact, if turkey lands its troops in the gas sector, peacekeepers, again, and if, after all. Turkey succeeds somehow go to the bank to create a nofly zone over the gas sector, then it turns out that erdogan will really be the savior of the muslims of palestine, and in this regard, this person can play a very creative role, if of course he is not afraid, thank you very much, you remembered mr. Erdogan, on the internet we see a photograph of erdogan holding a map in his hands, a map of how palestine disappeared, colleagues, please display it on the screen, we will discuss it in more detail. Palestine israel, palestine coral, israel purple by year. 1946, 47, 67, 2010. And mr. Erdogan said that disproportionate and unfounded attacks on the gas sector could put israel in an unexpected and undesirable position in the eyes of world public opinion. Israel should remember that if it acts as an organization and not as state, they will eventually begin to. Relate to the organization , and farhad aishamovich, i want you to comment on this map, and there could be another historical decision, and this is what Sergei Anatolyevich said about what should have in theory, two states were created, jewish and arab, but in israel they considered that this solution to the issue was unacceptable for them, but the fact is that erdogans position on palestine is quite appropriate for a number of muslim powers, it is quite logical for erdogans position as such, because you and i know very well that erdogan came to power in turkey on a wave of, that is, religious, that is, convictions, in principle, he did not deviate from these convictions, he was somewhat european, lets say, centric, but later he became such a eurosceptic , it means that what is happening now, the fact is that hamas is a structure that is controlled by the group of muslim brothers, and it is no secret that erdogan sympathizes with this group, moreover, qatar, the country that actually finances hamas, is also, as it were, is the main donor. Financial for muslim brothers. And the ideology here is also quite logical. They proceed from the premise that palestine must be preserved at least on this platform. Moreover, erdogan calls for the need to turn to the option of 1947. And