President is wellknown known as someone who is supportive of a border wall and more aggressive taxes on immigration. And we continue looking at the situation in north korea with david sanger, david burns, andicholas lionel barber. There are a lot of things that the u. S. Government could go do. Some of them over to and some of them covert. They all suffer from the same while the war is plan and all of the times they gamedore game war this, you have the u. S. Winning. But you have huge casualties along the way. It is something that president obama attempted including a Cyber Program against the missile launches. , some of thee the bigams missile launches theyve had this year for the longrange, they appear to have gone along pretty well. It is hard to get inside. And even if you are inside, it is good to know that its working. Charlie and something we have just begun, called an archive moment. Henry kissinger on north korea. Kissinger the best way would be to send some private. Missaries it is our notion of the evolution of the region. Military clash, it is inevitable. Experts weigh in on north korea and a moment with Henry Kissinger when we continue. We begin with this. The Trump Administration has thatit will end daca grants temporary status to undocumented immigrants brought to the uss children. Jeff sessions announced the decision this afternoon. Attorney general sessions the program known as daca that was effectuated under the Obama Administration is being rescinded. The program was implemented in 2012 and essentially provided legal status for recipients for a renewable twoyear term worker authorization and other benefits including participant tatian mostly adult to illegal aliens. Implemented unilaterally to great controversy and legal concern. Extend benefits on numerous occasions to this game group. It deliberately thought to achieve what the legislative branch was physically refused to authorize on multiple occasions. Openended circumvention of immigration laws was an unconstitutional or size of authority by the executive branch. Day backks the first for members of congress after their august recess. Harvey,lem of hurricane they were faced with a heavy september workload. Joining me from washington is the moderator for Washington Week on pbs and a political analyst for nbc news and msnbc. Welcome to the start of fall, bob. Great to be with you, charlie. Charlie what were the pressures on the president . What were his instincts and why did he make the decision he did . A. Costa it was such revealing decision by the president to choose to delay making a decision. Candidate, politician, and now a president who revels in being the decider. He decided to punt the decision to congress, to let republicans decide the fate of 800,000 mostly younger immigrants that came here and were protected under the obama era executive action. We see a president a grappling ,ith his base that wants purity wants results, and his instincts showdvisers, they want to the Republican Party as more compassionate as appealing to hispanic voters even though they know the president is well known as someone who is supportive of a border wall. We see a president trying to navigate all these different forces and interest. And clearly in the context of what you said, his reference to children. Aidessta the president s tell me that he has wrestled with this for months. On immigration, hes seen as wholesale on the right wing of the Republican Party, except for this issue of dreamers. And because of the president s reluctance to move forward in an expected way, it has created a vacuum where Congressional Republicans and democrats think they can start to craft a policy. Daca if they can keep thousands of these children and young adults and adults here in the United States, it goes back many years to President Trump. He said long before he was a candidate that he is sympathetic to the view that the dreamers and came here as children teenagers are not responsible for the mistakes of their parents. But we have seen this juxtaposition, charlie. , as you would expect press conference saying that no one can just come to the United States, that dreamers are here unlawfully. You have the president remarking that he struck an entirely different and more compassionate tone. It presents the administration with a challenge moving forward. What is this administration really going to do with the dreamers . Will it let Congress Come up with a solution . Or will he let it expire . That is the choice. Charlie what is his relationship with congress . An uneasy it is relationship and its only gotten worse over the summer. Weve seen the president clash with leader mcconnell and he has afraid relationship with paul ryan. Extending the debt limit, trying to get a budget passed before the government is set to shut down on september 30. So many other issues that have really begun to pile up here in washington. Daca and to act on immigration policy. Even though President Trump is a hardliner, they want to make sure they appeal to hispanic voters and that is why they will try to come up with a solution. Maybe not september, but this fall. Charlie they said daca is the wrong approach to his nation to immigration policy. As a reporter, my response to senator mccain would be, lets wait and see. The president announced he would phase out daca. There is little clarity about what the future of this program will be. He says congress should decide and when Sarah Huckabee sanders was asked what that means, what does it mean the president will do . It means the president remains torn. He continues to be this hardliner but he also has the community and his own family saying you dont need to go that far on the dreamers. Charlie now that steve bannon is out, tell me about the factions inside the white house. Mr. Costa steve bannon may be formally outside the white house that he is still talking to President Trump by phone. Im told by several people close to President Trump. He represents the breitbart policy. Those voices remain very powerful in this fractured washington. Sometimes bannon is seen as this overpowering presence. Republican establishment controls congress. Democrats are increasingly seeing new leverage because the republicans have all these inferent objections september. Look for the Democratic Leaders to make some request if they get those votes. Charlie have they spoke in to the Democratic Leadership in a while . Mr. Costa there have been many discussions behind the scenes. Democrats have said to republicans, if you want to address daca, you better do it as part of must past legislation. Republicans and conservatives dont want to do that and mash all this legislation together. Democrats say if you want our help, you have to do it our way. One of the big negotiating point this fall and this september will be how although legislative aims will be cobbled together. What will be attached to what in order to get the necessary votes. Charlie what will happen to the debt ceiling . Mr. Costa the Administration Says it wants a clean debt ceiling. He wants to keep the markets from overreacting to some kind of standoff. For Hurricane Harvey in texas. They want to have a standalone so theythe debt ceiling wont have to be forced to pass it and have the texas vote tied to the debt ceiling. How this figures itself out will be a test. Charlie is there alliance between the caucus and steve bannon and Breitbart News . Bannon met with mark meadows, the North CarolinaRepublican House member on monday right before congress came back this week to try to bannon andh how breitbart and the Freedom Caucus can truly be a thorn in the side of the Republican Leadership. Mcconnell and ryan will be scrambled. Saying the Republican Leadership sold them out. The president is being sold out by his own party. It remains a split party. And the ban an element of this is important because its also driven by his own personal x areas in the white house. Close how jerod kushner, the president s soninlaw, and other moderates were pushing the president on daca. It may be let Congress Figure out a solution. Bannon was appalled. He thought immigration was the issue during the campaign. To somehow walk away from that hardline stance would be of the trail to the voters. , seething in a way that the Republican Party is bringing this administration. Distinction is bannon is going to war with the Republican Party and not with President Trump. If that dynamic ever changes, it will be real chaos in washington. But for now, bannon is trying to toe the line, stay with trump, and go to war with the parties. Charlie ed wall street and Silicon Valley, everywhere he believes they are resistant to the populist movement. Mr. Costa that is right. If you are in Silicon Valley or wall street. There. Talked to people they are somewhat happy with the possibility that stability could happen in washington. They could extend the debt limit cleanly. They could try to protect the thousands who are beneficiaries of the daca policy. Maybe even cut taxes. That is the optimistic view. Gone, baby trump and kelly can move in a more centrist direction. Again, looming overall is breitbart, bannon, a Republican Base that once the daca and wants daca and dreamers to be deported. Bomb costa, thank you for joining us. A pleasure to have you as we begin this new fall season. We will be right act. Stay with us. Charlie on sunday, north korea carried out the sixth and most powerful nuclear test to date. The country claims it marks the First Successful detonation of an advanced hydrogen bomb. It is considered a major step forward to reach the mainland with a nuclear attack. Nikki haley said pyongyang was begging for war during a session in the Emergency Security council yesterday. She asked them to have the strongest possible sanctions. Putin questioned the effectiveness and warned of a potential global catastrophe. David ignatius, columnist for the washington post. Nicholas burns of the Harvard Kennedy school. Editor of theer, financial times. I begin with david sanger. Tell us about this test and the implications about its agonists bigness . We dont know that it was a hydrogen bomb. The best guesswork ive heard from american intelligence officials and from outside experts is that this was some kind of a boosted explosion. Which means they are on the pathway to a hydrogen bomb. It is six to 10 times larger than the previous detonation they have been able to accomplish. Which is to say it is probably six to 10 times larger than the bomb the United States dropped on hiroshima in 1945. Politically, im not sure it makes that big a difference. Like many Nuclear Powers before them, the North Koreans have solved many of the biggest physics problems. They are capable of detonating a weapon that could destroy a large american city. It doesnt mean they can deliver the weapon into a large american city. People are still wondering if they can fit this into a warhead or if they could make it survive reentry into the atmosphere. If they cant do it now, they will be there pretty soon. Charlie David Ignatius, what are the implications of this . Mr. Ignatius that they have this very large ive been hearing 10 times the previous detonation bomb. In addition to showing their technical expertise, they are aiming for a kind of city strike. After an initial regional conflict, the u. S. And the city would be held hostage. Would notgn that they be backing off. Get a thing that strikes me is that this nuclear test in the last two missile tests follow a very deliberate effort i secretary of state Rex Tillerson to open the way for some kind of dialogue with north korea. To signal the u. S. Willingness issues. Ss a range of tillerson went through a series of promises. We wont seek regime change or send troops north of the 38th parallel. Down the list of north korean demands. In the face of that forward leaning american posture, you have to see this is a real rebuff or slap in the face of a diplomatic solution. What do you think of what Vladimir Putin said today and what the chinese said . Posturing from the russians and chinese. No question this is heading to a new and dangerous phase. Gosident trump has got to back to what he did so well in the cold war. Fromtermine north korea ever using these weapons. Secretary mattis went out and promised massive retaliation. If north korea used these orinst south korea, japan, the continental United States. Take the North Koreans believe that threat is credible. And we have to be arm in arm with our allies. I thought President Trump very unwisely accused the south koreans of appeasement. He also threatened to withdraw the United States from the south korea freetrade agreement. If there was a time when you needed a united front against north korea, its now. And they will have to wrestle with washington, whether or not we could enter into some kind of negotiation down the road. Satisfactory to a outcome. Achieve. Icult to it would be extremely irresponsible to drive this if you hadnt given what David Ignatius was talking about. Talking to this regime, i think it happens. It is going much faster than people expected. They have had the increase of capacity. Said 18 months before President Trump took office, the north korea would be in a position that the former seems to be there now. The other big risk is miscalculation. Kim jongunon wants to make sure the regime is, in effect, invulnerable to change. So what happens if he uses this weapon, this arsenal for blackmail . Even miscalculate and think that he could unify the Korean Peninsula by force. These are all calculations which the americans and their allies are having to figure out. I also want to point out and echo what nick burns said. Is a time when the Trump Administration needs to bring the allies close. And i think the notion that to abandonrump tried the Free Trade Agreement and at the time trying to put them close, it doesnt make sense. To assess the military calculation and also the pursuit of integrated policy. Everybody says there is no military solution. But is there something that the military, when general dunford talks about it, we have all these kinds of possibilities and options . What does he mean, David Ignatius . Mr. Ignatius we dont know. There has been a war plan for north korea for decades now. It is updated every year. It is a labyrinth. The problem is, it takes two months for the forces that would be involved in the operations against north korea to get in place to act. You have the clock ticking. That you will move all this equipment and personnel into the theater. Are other shorterterm special forces operations that we can only speculate about. It would involve going in and taking out certain facilities or leadership targets. And there is this completely unknown realm of the exotic, Silver Bullet new weapons. Cyber weapons. David sanger is a real expert on this. That is the range from heavy operations that would take months to quicker special forces operations to this really unknown new warfare. David is right. There are a lot of things the u. S. Government could do. Some of them overt, some of them covert. They all suffer from the same problem, which is while the war plan and all of the times that this showsargamed the u. S. And allies winning, you oul or have massive casualties along the way. Obamahat president attempted, including a Cyber Program against the missile launches. But that if it worked, we dont understand how well it worked. And it seemed to stop working. Missile launches theyve had this european to have gone along pretty well. Difficulties with ciber is it is hard to get inside. Its hard to know if its working. There are options short of this. I wrote this morning in the times about an effort to try to convince the chinese to go turn off north koreas oil as a sanction to drive them to negotiations. But it would require the chinese cooperating. They provide more than 90 of north koreas energy needs. Never, the chinese have been willing to do that. The white house trying to set up a conversation between President Trump and president ping from china. No, youre are the diplomat among the five of us. Who could change the chinese minds so that they can become more aggressive on north korea in terms of trying to find a solution . The chinese are clearly frustrated and they dont like him johkim jongun. The chinese do not want a conflict in the Korean Peninsula. Not for security reasons, not for economic reasons. Careful about what we will get back. They prefer the status quote. The situation where the north and there is the capital aligned with the Un