He wondered if BHA had worked with the fire department on developing their needle pickup program. He also wondered whether that daily needle pickup had influenced the recent drop in numbers reported by the fire department, given that Holm had reported needle pickups throughout the city had dropped to 2,046 in 2020, down from 11,126 the year before. On the second question, Holm acknowledged “it can have a dramatic effect on the numbers. So, as we get more and more people dealing with needles on their own, we will see a drop in our numbers without a doubt, because if they are retrieving needles on their own, they have no obligation to report that to me. So … as more and more people are able to deal with needles on their own, we will see some drops in numbers and it’s something I am expecting.”