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look, they're not going to directly take on nato and the united states in ukraine. so they'll operate on the tangents and they'll do what they can even though this is completely within legal parameters. this is international airspace. international waters. yet the russians are interfering. so it's their ability, their desire to try to exercise influence, and i would also think this is a sphere of influence thing as well where they're directing or at least they're stating through their actions that the black seal belongs to them, which is lunacy as well. >> we look at this, and it's nuts, quite frankly, this video, what you see happening here. but i do wonder if it is encouraging to you that this entire incident has not brought about more escalation. >> it is exactly the right approach toward this. when you saw the secretary austin and general milley conference yesterday, both of those gentlemen were incredibly calm, very clear-eyed, very