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was going to have to do. so they are two pulitzer prize winning reporters. what i see as i read through i alone can fix it is they have the quotes. we knew donald trump was putting pressure on mike pence. but in this passage you see he says to him, you don t have the courage. you can hear trump saying that and then it goes on that mark meadows and ivanka trump tried to get trump to go along with this. no, trump had given pence instructions and was hell bent on getting him to do it. so i think you really see here just how much pressure pence was under. we were hearing elements of this, but to get this narrative now with the quotes is really stunning. some of the elements we re going to discuss, you got exclusively. some of these have been pub lished in the washington post.