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april but going back a couple of years what, does that tell you about the structure? >> well, i said before, i don't want to comment on this particular structure. a lot of the information coming in take into account. but board members generally work with -- i work with a lot of them, they're not experts. they're relying upon an engineer's representation. there could be explanations about concrete and that type of thing, but if an engineer thinks there is some kind of impending or potential problem that needs to be taken care of and that is what this engineer has to say, that the building official has to be -- has to be informed and if the building official also taking in the information becomes alarmed, the building department themself could have an independent engineer evaluate it. but in the end, that is what the 40-year recertification program is about. you don't wait 40 years before you start looking at your