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What it stands for in the aftermath of the trump presidency. Kevin mccarthy expected to meet very soon with representative Margery Taylor green who is under a lot of fire right now for spreading dangerous and false Conspiracy Theories and lies. Senate Republican Leaders including the republican leader Mitch Mcconnell is now condemning what he calls greens looney lies saying theyre a cancer on the gop as democrats are working to throw her off committees. All this comes a week before the second trump Impeachment Trial. House democrats laid out their case today saying the former president s blame for the deadly riot at the u. S. Capitol is unmistakable. Trumps lawyers are resorting to the argument that the senate has absolutely no Constitutional Authority to try him after leaving office. Also tonight, the white house says President Biden hasnt budged on his 1. 9 trillion price tag for covid19 relief after meeting with republican senators last night. This hour, ill talk with the White House Communications director kate bettingfield. We have lots of questions for her. But first lets go to our congressional correspondent. Kevin mccarthy, Margery Tailor Green expected to meet fairly soon ahead of a critical meeting of House Republicans tomorrow. Update our viewers. Thats right, wolf. There is a growing course of republican senators condemning Margery Tailor Green and her past statements about controversial Conspiracy Theories. It comes ahead of a meeting with Kevin Mccarthy we expect to happen very soon and the outcome of that meeting could tell us a lot about the future of the Republican Party. A Showdown On Capitol Hill over the soul of the Republican Party. Fight to restore to the integrity and value of the Republican Party and tell people the truth. President trump won by a landslide. Reporter freshman congresswoman Margery Taylor green who has promoted bring Conspiracy Theories, including one that the 2018 School Shooting in Parkland Florida was staged and indicated support for executing top democratic lawmakers. Kevin mccarthy is set to meet with green tonight as democrats threaten to remove her from Committee Assignments if mccarthy does not act. I cant tell you whats in kevins mind. I dont understand the lack of leadership. Reporter as mccarthy and other house Republican Leaders stay mostly silent about green, the Top Republican in the senate calling the congresswoman out. Not by name. Mitch mcconnell releasing a statement monday evening saying, looney lies and Conspiracy Theories are a cancer for the Republican Party and our country. I did yesterday express myself on that particular new member of the house, and i think i adequately spoke out about how i feel about any effort to define the Republican Party in such a way. Reporter Seven Gop Senators today following mcconnells lead. I agree with him entirely. We have to move beyond what someone thinks might be true because it is on the internet into what is true as best as we can understand it. Reporter green responding with defiance calling mcconnell, quote, the real cancer in the Republican Party, even as she appears to walk back some of her conspiratorial views. These are not red flag incidents. They are not fake. It is terrible the loss that these families go through. Reporter all this leaving mccarthy in a tight spot as he seeks to navigate the path forward with donald trump no longer in office but still a Political Force within the gop. Republicans also facing a battle over the impeachment of trump after ten gop members voting to impeach, among them liz cheney, the number three republican in the house and drawing backlash at home and fellow gop members who want her removed. But chaney is getting backup from mcconnell. Shes one of the smartest people i have ever known. We need more. So thats my view of liz cheney. Reporter House Republicans scheduled to meet wednesday Behind Closed Doors in what is expected to be a tense meeting as the party grapples with its internal divisions. And, so, the question tonight is what could come out of this meeting between mccarthy and green that would allow her to continue to stay on these committees that democrats want to push her out of. Mccarthy is hoping that she can convince green to have some level of contrition and walk back some of these controversial statements. But, wolf, there is no sign green is heading in that direction. She remains defiant even up to the 11th hour and it seems pretty clear that this showdown is going to lead to a very tense meeting wednesday here on capitol hill with House Republicans. Yeah. She has to do a full throated apology to the American People. She has to acknowledge that what she said was stupid and wrong and awful. She has to apologize bigtime if she hopes to have some sort of political future in the house Republican Party over there. All right, ryan. Thank you very, very much. Lets go to the trump Impeachment Trial scheduled to Begin Next Week on the senate floor. Both sides detailing the arguments they will make next week. Lets go to jim acosta. Democratic Impeachment Managers are set to present what they call unmistakenable of Donald Trumps guilt. Thats right. The fact is he was still president when she was impeached. It is his trial thats taking place during his post presidency. But House Democrats already have a response for that saying there is no january exception to the constitution. Donald trumps Impeachment Lawyers are trying to build a wall of their own, separating the bloody siege at the capitol and the then president s words before the riot. We will stop the steal. In its response to the Impeachment Allegations brought by House Democrats, the Trump Defense team writes it is denied the president engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the United States. He exercised his First Amendment right under the constitution to express his belief that the Election Results were suspect. This is a very, very dangerous road to take with respect to the First Amendment, putting it risk any passionate political speaker, which is really against anything we believe in. And if you dont fight like hell, you are not going to have a country anymore. His lawyer stated it is denied the phrase if you dont fight like hell you wont have a country anymore. In their filing, which misspells United States on the first page, trumps attorneys insist he never tried to subvert the certification of the Election Results, but thats not true as he pressured state election officials. So what are we going to do here, folks . I only need 11,000 votes. Give me a break. Even his Vice President to do his bidding. And if youre not, im going to be very disappointed in you. Youll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong. As well as comments made by his violent supporters. There is a [ bleep ] million of us out there. To prove the former President Ins City gaited the rioting saying after losing an election is not an impeachment offense, it is hard to imagine what would be. As for the claim made by trumps lawyers that he cant be tried after leaving office, the democrats counter, there is no january exception to impeachment or any other provision of the constitution. Still, some democrats worry this trump trial will end like the last one. Im very worried about going through this trial and having the punch line at the end being trump acquitted again. Now, trump clearly won the battle with his own lawyers over whether to include the president s bogus claims that the election was stolen from him. Trumps advisers say he was obsessed with that big lie even as the pollster included he lost the election because in part he was so dishonest. Thank you. Lets get some more. Joining us are chief political analyst Gloria Borger and chief flake. He is now a cnn political commentator. You know, jeff, i want to begin with the disarray on full display within the Republican Party right now. One Top Republican senator sees its as a choice between conservative principals and Conspiracy Theories. Liz cheney Margery Taylor green . I mean, where do you think the party will likely grow more or where do i want to be as an elected official. It is pretty stark. Thats what republicans are facing right now. What do you think, gloria . What is the House Minority leader Kevin Mccarthy really considering as he prepares to meet, were told, very soon with congresswoman Margery Taylor green. I think first of all he is considering his own political future because he would like to become speaker of the house and hes got to figure out a way to do that. One of the people he needs, he believes, to help him do that is donald trump who has embraced Margery Taylor green, spoke with her recently. She tweeted about a great conversation. He has to, as you were saying earlier, he has to figure out a way that Margery Taylor green can say, im sorry. I didnt mean it. And convince enough people that that is true. I do believe, however, that she is going to have to have some kind of punishment. They took steve cane off his committees. They will have to do something for Margery Taylor green that will make onehalf of his party okay, and it will anger the other half. So it is not an evnviable position, but he let this fester. Mcconnell issued a rare and scathing rebuke of green. He says her looney lies are a cancer of the Republican Party. How much weight do those words hold with the republicans in the house . Forget about the senate for a moment. Well, Mitch Mcconnell doesnt like to come out on these things, so when he does it should mean something, and i think it will. I think the House Republicans are faced with, you know, do we want the democrats to do this . Do we want them to exact punishment or should we take care of our own. And the right precedent was set with steve king after statements made a few years ago in favor of white supremacists. They took him off his committees, and then his voters removed him. That would be a good model here. So the fact that Mitch Mcconnell has come out when he doesnt like to do so and doesnt often do so should mean something, and i thought it was an excellent statement. Standby for a moment. I want to bring in as we turn to the trump Impeachment Trial which starts next week, a week from today, in fact, on the senate floor. Laura, in the newly released house impeachment breach, managers laid out over 70 plus pages, their plans to argue that the former president is singularly responsible for inciting the insurrection at the u. S. Capitol on january 6th. What is this first glimpse of their legal strategy telling you . That they are prepared to launch a wholistic attack to what they have anticipated as being primarily about the First Amendment and how this has not protected speech, that this was insighting a riot and that he himself was the connecting point and possibly his comments afterwards as well. It is a very strong brief that anticipated all the things their return brief mentioned and more. And actually it speaks about this being not only an exercise of oversight but also a vindication of the First Amendment. They tied it to voting and how if a president is able to simply try to retain power and try to sick the masses on a argument over all. 77 pages. The president s lawyers brief is 14 pages. And basically what trumps legal team is arguing is that the Impeachment Trial in the senate is simply unconstitutional because hes no longer a sitting president of the United States. How strong do you believe that defense is . Well, obviously theyre looking at the number of republicans who voted to basically stop the trial, the 45 republicans. But the democrats, i think the Impeachment Managers are start to do what they have done, to basically draw a line because all of the activities between the Election Loss on ward and to say this was a culmination of all of it. And the fact that the president was impeached when he was still in office, the trial is happening afterwards, but the impeachment was when he was in office. So i think they have done the right thing as Impeachment Managers. Gloria, trumps lawyers, theyre arguing he was simply exercising his First Amendment right to free speech. How do you think that argument is going to be received by the senators, all 100 senators who make up the jury in this trial . Look, i think theyre going to be more likely to say that you cant impeach him because hes already out of office then they would take to the First Amendment argument. First of all, this president , i have to kind of chuckle, has not been known as somebody who talks about the First Amendment a lot, who preaches the First Amendment. Remember, the media is the enemy of the people and all the rest of it. And you cannot provoke a lawless mob attacking the capitol just because you figure like you lost an election unfairly and youre a sore loser. The constitution does not specify that. And, so, i think i think that argument is not as strong for them as the procedural argument. Nor is the argument that they put in their brief that, you know, this president was elected, you know, on an unfair election and that donald trump had every reason to believe that. What do you think, laura, of the former president s legal team, theyre arguments . I think its extraordinarily weak. I think it is an off ramp to allow for the republicans members of the senate not to have to vote on the primary issue of misconduct and say lets not go there. Lets not talk about what i have done. I shouldnt be here in the first place. It doesnt go to the meat of the matter, especially when you consider they laid out in the house Impeachment Branch the senate has decided that it could actually impeach and try a former official since 17, what, 98 . That doesnt bode well for an argument that says that you cant continue to convict and or disqualify or even perhaps even acquit after they left office. So i dont think it bodes well, but it does fall in line with what they hope will be the case. It is interesting, jeff, because you need 17 republican senators to convict, to convict, assuming all 50 Democratic Senators vote to convict. How many of the republican senators do you think will actually vote to convict . I think youll have a few more than the five who voted to continue with the trial. But i doubt that you are going to get to 17. But its important, not only that hes convicted but if hes not for at least republicans to make statements afterwards saying, we didnt believe it was constitutional to impeach him, but, boy, this is not where we ought to be as a country, and he is wrong. And i assume the Impeachment Managers will literally use statements from people like Kevin Mccarthy who said the president bears responsibility as well as liz cheney saying he assembled the mob and lit the match. So i think, if there is not impeachment, there has got to be statements from the republicans that we have to move away from this guy. We have to move away from trump and trumpism. If you were still in the senate, would you vote to convict . Yes, i would. Jeff flake, thank you very mu

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