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Mccarthy is leaning leaning toward removing congresswoman Marjorie Taylor greene from the Education Committee. Now greene has endorsed statements calling for the execution of democratic leaders. Shes harassed survivors of school shootings. Shes suggested Mass Shootings were staged hoaxes, and this morning the reporting is that mccarthy is leaning toward removing her from the Education Committee. Well see if it happens. Why . Just leaning . What might be pushing him this way . And what is she refusing to do that might help her keep her committee post. That in just a moment. First, Josh Campbell In Washington where officer Brian Sicknick lies in honor this morning. Josh . Good morning. Were taking you live inside the Capitol Rotunda where the remains of this fallen officer are currently Lying In Honor. There has been a steady stream of people coming to pay their respects. Lawmakers, as well as members of the capitol police. Many of them wearing black bands around their badges to symbolize this period of mourning. We saw Senators Romney and klobuchar and other leaders. Hes Lying In Honor after succumbing to injuries from that january 6th capitol insurrection. Last night there was a solemn ceremony as his remains arrived. They were carried up the east Capitol Steps and into the rotunda. Lawmakers and other officers there to pay their respect. We also heard just before 10 00 p. M. The president s motorcade departed the white house. A short time later we saw President Biden and the first lady there paying their respects, walking up to the remains, placing their hands on their hearts. Just a tribute to the life of this officer and the service that he gave to his nation. I want to show you one quick image here you see. Biden is there before a wreath. You see him just shaking his head, seemingly projecting what so many across the country are feeling right now and that is just this senseless tragedy. A Police Officer lost his life because of this domestic Terrorist Attack on the United States capitol and today he is being mourned finally. There will be a Departure Ceremony later on this morning. His ashes will be taken across the river into virginia where hell be interred at Arlington National cemetery. That small head shake really spoke volumes, didnt it . Theres been a question about why there havent been charges yet in the death of officer sicknick. What do we know . Whats the combination here . Sources are telling cnn that authorities are struggling with this Murder Investigation because they have not pinpointed a moment on this mountain of evidence, these videos, images, selfies and the like. They havent pinpointed a moment where they see someone inflicting an injury on this officer. What were told is that officer sicknick had collapsed later that evening on january 6th and then later succumbed to injuries. However, sources are telling us that, according to Medical Examiner review, he did not receive any type of bluntforce trauma so the cause of his death is still under investigation. Authorities tell us they continue to try to identify if there was a moment if there was a person or person that was responsible for inflicting some injury but its also worth pointing out, regardless of whether they pinpoint one person, this entire siege and insurrection caused the loss of life for one Police Officer, many more injuries as well. Just, obviously, a tough time for capitol Police Officers and the nation based on what we saw there on january 6th. Josh, thank you for all of the reporting from the capitol for us. Now more on the breaking political news. Politico reports Minority Leader Kevin Mccarthy is leaning towards removing Qanon Believer congresswoman Marjorie Taylor greene from the Education Committee. Does that go far enough . Joining us now, cnn political commentator scott jennings, a former Special Assistant to president george w. Bush and has worked on several of Mitch Mcconnells campaigns. Also with uformer republican congressman denver riggleman. Great to have both of you here. Congressman, we thought we might hear something last night after this longawaited meeting between Kevin Mccarthy and Marjorie Taylor greene. We thought he would come out with some sort of action plan or something to hold her accountable for the qanon Conspiracy Theories and the violent rhetoric shes embraced. But, no. So why is this so tough for Minority Leader mccarthy . I think hes taken a lot of things into consideration. If we take away our moral judgment of the awfulness that happened on the siege and the disinformation campaign, its political calculations right now. So how about fundraising . Marjorie Taylor Greene is fundraising a lot right now from the grassroots. What about a committee . My guess is theres going to be a compromise on the committee. I think theyll take away one committee but leave her on budget. They are talking about trump support. What do they do with that . Theres all these things that come into consideration on the political side and kevin is running for speaker in 2022. Does he want to diminish the amount of money coming into his coffers because hes going against somebody that seems to be popular with the base . It can be distasteful, but i believe this is a political negotiation going on behind closed doors. Ive been a part of these conference talks before. Ive been in the room, and i think thats whats happening right now unfortunately. And i thought something would happen last night, but again, its not a surprise it didnt. Fundraise and win at any cost . Yeah. Look, i hope the politico report is true. I hope Kevin Mccarthy looks at this. I dont know what were talking about or negotiating. The Republican Party cannot be defined by cranks, kooks. Were not talking about debating the finer points of trade policy or tax policy or some other interparty policy squabble. Were talking about whether this party, the party that seeks to be the Majority Party in the house, that wants to get back to the majority in the senate, the party that wants to win the white house in 2024, are we going to be defined by Conspiracy Theories that go so far beyond what we would consider to be on the normal political spectrum that most americans will say, we cant trust these people with positions of high governing responsibility. So this is a key moment in Kevin Mccarthys tenure. I hope the politico report is true. I hope he gets this right. He has to take a stand now. I will be the first to admit, i was slow to understand just how pervasive the Conspiracy Theory culture has become. I didnt understand it for a long time. I get it now. Look at what happened on january 6th. You cannot let this continue to metastasize. It has to be dealt with right now. If Kevin Mccarthy, part of what the report said was that maybe he would just take away one of her committee standings. So the Education Committee because how can she make any Policy Decisions regarding children after she doesnt believe that parkland and sandy hook happened or maybe they were inside jobs and shes harassed david hogg. So they might take that away. If they take one away, instead of two, is that good enough . No. Theres no half measure here. What they are deciding is who can carry the republican banner. They are deciding who they want to be affiliated with. They are deciding who they want to be defined by. And they are either going to say, were not going to be defined by these people or we are. Theres no half measure here. You either want to be in the room with the Sandwich Board Caucus or you dont. So my advice is, cut ties now. Theres no harm in it. You have nothing to lose. You have a lot to gain in terms of credibility with the American People if you make the right decision now. Half measures i dont think are going to cut it. Congressman, this is Marjorie Taylor greene now responding to this new reporting from politico. She says this morning, no matter what the gop leader does, Kevin Mccarthy, it would never be enough for the hate america democrats. As much as he genuinely tries to work with Speaker Pelosi for the good of the country, she refuses to see the hypocrisy of her own conference. What, congressman . Thats the issue. If he strips away her committee assignments, she becomes more powerful in certain parts of the twittersphere or social media. And thats the issue that you have right now is that this has become so pervasive. Scott is right. You want to make a stand. Ive been on this show so many times saying this is insane, crazy, nutty. But on the other hand, when they are looking at a lot of these districts and you see, 147 people, you know, were on the side of really the objecting to the electors. 126 people signed on to the texas ag lawsuit. Only 10 people vote for impeachment. Theyre trying to take Political Considerations into account and Marjorie Taylor greene doing this, its just trying to burnish sort of polish her brass right now and shes the one out there talking for trump. Shes the one tweeting for him, using the exact same language. Thats why they are having this negotiation and this is very sad. I want to tell you and scott is right. This should have happened weeks ago. I dont know why theyre having this discussion right now. I just dont get it. Thats the issue we have. Its nutty. And we dont want to pull in everybody from the Carnival Tent to vote here. Weve got to reject that. I hope the right decision is made. By the way, gentlemen, less than 12 hours ago well, a little more than 12 hours ago, she refused to apologize. She was on a radio show, skocot and she was asked, would you like to clarify anything you said in the past or rethink it, and she said, no. She doesnt think she has anything to apologize. This is the main tenet of their ideology. I was going to say conservatism as they see it but its not conservative. This is the main tenet. Unrepentant stupidity. Ignorance. Double down on every wrong thing because they are trying to triangulate people. I mean, somewhere deep down she must know that shes wrong, but she sees there are people out there who say, well, theres media hating on her and democrats hating on her, so im going to like her. They are trying to build a coalition based on unrepentant stupidity and ignorance. This is not conservative. Its not republican. Its not in the spirit of american democracy. Its not the spirit of our constitution. Its totally broken. And the if you are a conservative out there and i know, you dont like the media. I get it. This is not the hill you want to die on. Find another hill. This is not the one to die on. Youll regret it. This is limiting and it will relegate the Republican Party to National Minority status for a very long time. Scott jennings, denver riggleman, we appreciate your perspective. Thank you both. Thank you. They you. President biden speaking out on President Trumps Impeachment Trial and what he says his family will not be doing in this administration. We have details in this brandnew interview to share with you, next. My cat really needs me right now. Yknow, im trying to be less popular these days. Now . I use differin gel. Take the 90day challenge now and youll get consistently clear skin too. Do things differin. Were getting our first sense of the cases that will be made in the Senate Impeachment trial of the former president. Joining us now, cnn White House Correspondent john harwood and norm eisen. He served as counsel for the democrats on the House Judiciary Committee during the first impeachment of the former president. Ambassador eisen, i want to start with you. The brief filed by the former president s new lawyers is really interesting in the arguments they make. I put interesting in quotation marks. Special quotation marks. Let me read you quotes about how theyll defend the form Prerpt The 45th President exercised his First Amendment right under the constitution to express his belief the Election Results were suspect. Insufficient evidence exists upon which a reasonal jurist can say the president s statements were accurate or not and he, therefore, denies they were false. Your take, counselor . John, thanks for having me back on the program. Hes doubling down on the big lie that he stoked for so many months, repeated on january 6th and caused the insurrection. What an insult to those members of the senate who will sit in judgment as the jury. They were held hostage by the rioters driven by these supposedly suspect claims. And when he says no reasonable jurist can make a finding. 60 reasonable jurists, many of them appointed by donald trump did make findings and in more than 60 cases, those suspicions were thrown out. So this is really the same ugliness, slightly more polite words but its the same big lie that caused so much devastation, violence and death. But norm, one more point on this. This would never fly in a court of law. So that reasoning that they are using, insufficient evidence. You cant prove if its right or wrong what he says. That isnt how courts of law work as far as i know. This is purely their, they know they can make this because theyre in a political arena. Well, i think, of course, youre right, alisyn. I would be sanctioned after 60 cases if i went in and said its suspect because nobody can disprove the negative. It has been disproven. Even in a Political Court like the Impeachment Trial. There are limits. And although they buried it inside the brief and the lawyers claim theyre not going to rely upon it, these are fighting words. This is the same lie, and i think there will be consequences even in the senate if they press this point. And lets not forget that this week, Disbarment Proceedings were called for by the Michigan Attorney general, governor and Secretary Of State against Sidney Powell and some of the lawyers who raised these same, kwo quote, suspect issues. There may be other consequences for these lawyers as well. They are subject to discipline by the state bars of which they are members if they this prisargument. This is the very same argument that senator john cornyn said the former president should make. The former president has been warned. Dont do this. Republican senators dont want this. On another front, the house Impeachment Managers made a Prophylactic Argument against what the former president will say, which is that, you cant constitutionally hold a trial for a president who was no longer in office. And their case, john, is, theres no january exception to impeachment or an Impeachment Trial. You cant say that with a month or two months left in an administration, you can do whatever you want because we cant complete the process. Your take. Well, of course not. And the argument that you cant constitutionally do this is weak as mitt romney has said. The consensus of legal experts is that you can. And the evidence for that is that it has been done with Executive Branch officials. It was done in the 19th century shortly after the civil war. So that is a safe harbor for President Trump and his lawyers will take it. 45 republican senators have sought shelter in that argument. But i really think the point you were just discussing with norm amounts to a test, a trial in a sense for republican senators themselves. To what degree do they stand up and reject that assertion by the president s lawyers and say, no, a reasonable person could not have doubt about the outcome of the election. Mitch mcconnell has said it. Donald trump lost the election. Everyone knows he lost the election. But republican senators are scared of their base. It is a higher tone version of what Kevin Mccarthy is going through with Marjorie Taylor greene. Shes