Really interesting to see the Vice President cast that vote before dawn. Well, certainly she leaves the u. S. Senate and she has to be back in that chair to break the tie. This isnt the first time youll see her breaking ties in an effort to try and pass the president s covid relief package. Look, this was a major moment on the senate floor, and they started this entire process yesterday at 2 30 in the afternoon. Then they had 15 hours of what is known up here as a voterama. Its a lot tougher because members are voting every 10 or 15 minutes on different amendments that folks are bringing to the floor. Its really an effort by the Minority Party to try to put the majority in tough spots by having to take very hard votes they can then later use on the campaign trail. And that works both ways. Both parties using this process to their advantage. But heres why it all matters. This unlocks joe bidens ability to pass a covid relief bill with just democratic votes. What youll see in the next couple of weeks is committees going behind the scenes, writing that package into legislative text and then potentially doing this whole process again to finally pass a covid relief proposal. Their deadline is march 14th. Thats the expectation. The hope, that is when youll see some of those Unemployment Benefits run out. But this last night, an important step. They passed it at 4 30 a. M. It unlocks their ability to pass a covid relief bill if they have to, with just democratic votes. They needed it done before the Impeachment Trial begins in just days. Lauren fox, thank you. Democratic congresswoman val demings was one of the Impeachment Managers in the former president s first trial. Thank you for being with us. It was interesting to see the current House Managers ask the former president to testify. And i wonder if you were a manager this time and you did have the former president on the stand, what would you ask him . Well, john, its great to be back with you. I cant help but think about during the hearings and trials and all. Remember when now former President Trump would say, oh, i wish they would subpoena me. I wish i had an opportunity to testify. I, you know, i would love to testify and interestingly enough, that never happened. Not only did he not the information, if you remember, the written answers that he provided were not truthful and then he blocked so many other people who did have pertinent information about his case from testifying or appearing. But you know, you start at the beginning. Tell us what happened. The why. He is trying to demonstrate that his words had nothing to do with the violent attack on the u. S. Capitol on that day, and we would love to hear his explanation of why he believes that. We know that thats never going to happen, though. He will never come and testify. And if i was his attorney, i would never probably allow him to do it but well see what happens. Is it worth a subpoena to get him there . You know, thats a procedural strategy that the Impeachment Managers would have to decide. Well wait and see. You certainly when we subpoena witnesses, its always, what do they bring to the table . So, you know, thats a procedural step that the managers would have to decide, and well see what their strategy is. What i do know, john, is that under the leadership of my classmate jamie raskin, i know this team of managers are going to do an outstanding job and present the facts. They dont have any problems with the facts. There are no alternative facts for them. And theyll present a clear and convincing case. And theyll do their part. How important or how crucial or essential would the former president s testimony be in making their case . You know, the interesting thing about this particular article of impeachment, you know evidence, and ive said it before. Evidence in a case is everything, right . Its a Police Detectives dream, its a prosecutors dream. John, there is so much footage of what happened on that day. We see the images. We also clearly hear the president s words and those who his enablers who stood with him and basically incited a riot. Marched down to the capitol, just one example, and fight like hell, if you dont, were not going to have a country anymore. His own words, we dont have to look far for evidence in this case, but the footage with the evidence, his own testimony as millions of americans have already seen, i think, is pretty crucial, and well see if the managers decide that they need more. But we know this president , i would expect him to come in and say, dont believe your lying eyes or your lying ears. But well see what happened. Do you know yet if there will be witnesses . I do not know. Its interesting. Three days before i talked to ive talked to some of the managers, but its always our conversations have just been about sharing information from the previous Impeachment Trial that they thought would benefit them during this time. I have not discussed with them their strategy or their intentions to call any witnesses. I want to move on to another subject, but if you were doing it, would you want a witness on the stand at this point . You know, what i said during the last Impeachment Trial, i think we all agreed when john bolton, the information came up about him actually being in the room if you will, to overhear the phone the infamous phone call, and we had that opportunity. The senate had the opportunity to call on witnesses and chose not to do that. And so john bolton was someone who was in the room. Certainly had direct information. I dont believe he has alternative facts. I think calling him in a case would be quite different from calling a president or the former president who every day had alternative facts. There was a vote last night in the full House Of Representatives to strip congresswoman Marjorie Taylor greene of her committee posts. 11 republican members voted to do so. Some of them were from your state of florida. At least three members from the state of florida who did vote to strip her of her committee posts. What do you think of that . You know, john, School Shootings are tough. All shootings where people die violently, but when children are in one of the what should be one of the safest places for them are gunned down, thats pretty tough. And i know, unfortunately, there are a lot of political games that take place on the hill. Thats probably been one of my biggest disappointments as opposed to putting the people first. I could not have been prouder of my florida colleagues for standing up for the people that they represent and the survivors of the kids who were gunned down on their school campus. And so it was the right thing to do. And believe me, in this political environment, it was great to see. Now theres been a lot of talk about Kevin Mccarthy and a lot of talk about the other 190 republican members who did not vote to strip her of her committees. But i want to ask about another group of people that i think often gets overlooked in this. Marjorie Taylor Greene was elected by a lot in a georgia congressional district. So how much responsibility do you put on the voters for sending her to congress . I think our responsibility, john, is to make sure that voters have all of the information that they need to make the best decisions when they go to the polls. I chose, though, to focus on leadership. But i guess im asking, these voters knew sometimes people are hired and they, you know, later it comes to light that they were not the best person to be hired. Sometimes people are elected, and it comes to light that they are not the best person to be elected and uphold the high values and principles of the House Of Representatives. Leadership has an awesome, tremendous obligation to right this wrong and stand up. And unfortunately, we have seen, as opposed to leaders in position, we have seen cowards in those positions or shadows of men. Lets not forget, too, 140 people voted to overturn a free and fair election. And carried the big lie that joe biden was not elected president of the United States. And so we do have some work to do, and i think leadership had an opportunity to stand up, correct the wrong. They chose not to do that. And they should be held accountable. I think it is something that needs to be addressed. What does it say that people who knew what they were getting into. A lot of this was known. They still chose to elect her. Theres a demand issue in the United States that needs to be addressed. I am curious how that will happen. I have not met, i dont believe, any of the congresswomans constituents or voters, but being here in the House Of Representatives and presiding ofe ing over the deba yesterday when she gave her former speech, as a former police officer, ive seen far too many people die of gun violence, some of them police officers, who were shot in the head and died. So i dont take very kindly to liking posts about shooting people in the brains. On 9 11, i was assigned to the Orlando International airport as a police commander. So i am just so happy that ms. Greene thought it was appropriate to stand at the microphone and say, yes, 9 11 did happen. But, you know what . A plane also hit the pentagon and people were killed and lost their lives. And so, john, theres a critical time and we are dealing with critical issues. And people who believe in outlandish Conspiracy Theories spread hate, hold assault weapons, basically with pictures of their now colleagues, i dont take too kindly to that, and i do believe that Kevin Mccarthy, if he wants to be the leader, then doggone it, show some leadership. And the 199, i really history will judge them. Remarkable time. Congresswoman val demings, we appreciate you coming on and sharing your thoughts with us. Thank you. Joining us now to talk more about this is cnn White House Correspondent john harwood. John, really interesting to hear Congresswoman Demings there. Lets start with Marjorie Taylor greene because as she was just saying, 11 republicans voted to remove her from her Committee Assignments. But 61 voted to remove liz cheney from leadership. They didnt win. But there was a much bigger number. And so where Do We Go From Here . Well, the Republican Party to a significant degree, both at the grassroots and in congress has been radicalized. Its been radicalized around anger at the way the United States is changing. The core of the Republican Base right now are blue collar white voters. Many of whom are upset that the country is becoming less white, less christian, that the economy is changing in ways that dont benefit them because many of them are lesser educated. And so the anger that flows out of that is the anger that bubbles up in movements like qanon, that she has adhered to. There were significant number of qanon people at the core of that insurrection on january 6th. And what weve seen over the last several weeks is that the vast majority of republican senators have voted to absolve the president of responsibility for that by saying the Impeachment Trial is unconstitutional. That will happen next week. The vast majority of Republican House members have voted to absolve the president of consequences for that antidemocratic deadly insurrection. They oppose the impeachment. And the share of republicans willing to stand up against that unamerican behavior is very marginalized. Its a it shows something about how degraded the Republican Party has become and it creates a contrast with the Democratic Party as exemplified by val demings, who you just heard from, and democrats were the ones who took responsibility for imposing consequences on Marjorie Taylor greene. Republicans lacked the strength to do that. John harwood, thank you so much. Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor greene did not apologize, but she did invoke the name of a survivor of the parkland shooting massacre, david hogg. He joins us live, next. Upbeat music transitions™ light under control. Upbeat music transitions™ Signature Gen 8™ available now, in 4 vibrant style colors. Transitions™ just hours before congresswoman Marjorie Taylor greene was punished by the house, stripping her of her Committee Assignments she, addressed the Conspiracy Theories and her theory that Mass Shootings at schools had been staged. School shootings are absolutely real. And every child that is lost, those families mourn it. I understand how terrible it is because when i was 16 years old in 11th grade, my school was a gunfree school zone and one of my schoolmates brought guns to school and took our entire school hostage. And that happened right down the hall from my classroom. I know the fear that david hogg had that day. Joining us now is Parkland Massacre survivor david hogg. Also the founder of march for our lives. Great to see you. Great to be on. Thank you, alisyn. What did you think when you heard her say your name and say that she can somehow relate to your experience . The ultimate thing is, i dont really care. The thing i care most about in this situation isnt so much myself but its the real people that she offended, which are the families of parkland and las vegas and sandy hook that have a permanently empty bedroom, permanently empty place at the dinner table. They are the people that are the real victims here that deserve the apology. Not me. And thats really what upsets me. Shes detracting from their suffering and their experience because she cant know their pain. They literally had the worst possible thing in the world happen to them. They are the ones that deserve an apology. On top of that, theres also, alisyn, we need to talk about the fact that although its important that we address the gun violence in schools, most gun violence happens outside of schools, too, and it doesnt get the same attention because it happens predominantly in black and brown communities that face racism and poverty and injustice by this country and they are the ones that need this attention. David, youve always talked about that. You bring that up and i know that there are so many families and lawmakers who appreciate that you always bring that up. In fact, so i applaud you that you always remind us that youre not the only victim. You also said on twitter yesterday, marge, youre not the victim here. Is that how shes trying to paint herself . I think so. I think they are trying to paint themselves as the victim to play like they are the little guy. So they can raise millions of dollars as they have talked about or thousands of dollars as theyve talked about wanting to raise. And its just pathetic because they are not the victim here. As i said, the victims are the families of children that have died in sandy hook and parkland and, you know, the people that died as well, adults that died in those places. And at las vegas, of course. They are the ones that need to be talked about. And thats why were continuing to call for her resignation and asking people to text resign to 954954. They can text resign to 954954 to sign our petition calling for her resignation because we believe just stripping her of her Committee Assignments, after she has threatened to kill the speaker of the house, mind you, thats a felony with a five to tenyear prison sentence. I dont know whats going on there, but you cant threaten an elected official. It is a felony. The last time we had you on, we played that video of her harassing you out on the sidewalk outside of the capitol. I wasnt aware at that time there was another video inside the capitol of her chasing after you and harassing you that well play right now where she is following after you. Shes claiming that people will still do Mass Shootings. Shes, obviously, you know, trying to trigger you. She says to you specifically, you were born in this country with all these freedoms. You dont even appreciate what you have. David hogg, you dont even know what you have. Do you feel did you feel after you heard her explanation yesterday that Marjorie Taylor greene has learned her lesson . No. I think a lot of the time, sadly, in politics and life generally, theres a lot of really immature adults that are in power that cannot simply have the humility to admit they were wrong before they face consequences. I think if marjorie was truly apologetic, it wouldnt have taken us literally removing her from her committees to talk about, well, maybe i shouldnt have said School Shootings were fake. Maybe she shouldnt have said that all these conspiracies about 9 11 being fake and stuff like that. I want to see elected officials that actually take accountability and responsibility for what theyve said before they face consequences for it because thats what true leaders do, have the humility to admit they make mistakes and theyre not perfect. But the other thing that i would say with that, too, alisyn, whats interesting to me is that when we were in there, in the capitol and she started chasing us, we started chanting enough is enough. You know how long if took the police to show up to tell us to basically shut up or were going to be arrested. Took about 30 seconds. And i dont know if it shows it in that video, but they did that. Thats why i knew