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Degrang in geneva before heading into the first round of talks. They lasted about two hours, the two president s as well as Secretary Of State Antony Blinken, Russian Foreign minister sergey lavrov. Larger groups under way trying to hash out a possible agreement. Good morning to you. Im jim sciutto Live In Geneva. Great to have you there, jim. Im poppy harlow live in new york. The sitdown comes as President Biden looks to send a clear meggs to his russian counterpart in a relationship he says has reached a low point. So what can the two leaders accomplish over the course of today . Theres a lot on this agenda from nuclear arms to Climate Change to recent cyberattacks and a potential Prisoner Swap for rusamericans detained in russian. There will not be a joint news conference. Our team is covering every angle. We begin coverage with cnn chief National Affairs correspondent jeff zeleny just outside the building where the meeting is taking place. Tell us whats happening right now. We were told at the start of the day four to five hours with the total of talks, but with the possibility that it might go longer or perhaps be shorter. How are things going based on reading the clock at this point . That first meeting between President Biden and russian president Vladimir Putin and their two top diplomats went 93 minutes. Thats according to the time announced by white house officials. Now theyre moving into phase two. It was scheduled on the clock, on the itinerary to go about an hour and 20 minutes. Right about shaping up as people thought it would. Again, it is on track, this longer summit in total, to go about five hours. But so many issues on the agenda to discuss. Of course, it is up to the two president s and their officials who are in there with the room to decide how long they want to talk about all of these matters. Of course, it began with a handshake, and we saw a chaotic moment inside the room there, but then we do not know what the conversation how it unfolded after that. That will be up to the white house and the kremlin to really shape their own narrative about this. Were already getting a sense of that. A u. S. Reporter asked President Biden in the Photo Opportunity there if he trusts Vladimir Putin. It appeared that President Biden nodded in the affirmative. A few minutes after that White House Press secretary genjen ps was not nodding in the affirmative, but acknowledging the scrum in the room, a sign from the white house that President Biden does not necessarily trust president putin. All of this is happening as President Biden had this to say about why hes meeting face to face with Vladimir Putin. As i said outside, i think its always better to meet face to face. Thats a brief response to some of the criticism from a few different areas about why have a facetoface meeting at all, is putin being elevated by this . President biden made clear he wanted to engage directly with president putin. Now there are five officials in the meeting for the second part of the summit. Lets take a look at the names of people in the room right now. Of course, Secretary Of State anthony blinken, a longtime Foreign Policy adviser. Jake sullivan, the National Security adviser who has been at President Bidens side. Victoria nuland, eric green, expert on russia and, of course, ambassador john sullivan, the ambassador to moscow sent back to the u. S. In april, a sign of tensions. Jim, that could be one area of agreement here, if both sides agree to send their envoys back to their respective foreign capitals. Jim. Jeff zeleny just across the lake from the location of that on going summit meeting. Lets bring in cnn White House Reporter tash yeah bertrand as well as chief International Correspondent for cnn, clarissa. Each side has its own definition of success and failure. As you go for biden and for putin, what cots tuts a win . I think for the Biden Administration its a heavier lift. President putin simply by standing up next to President Biden, the most powerful man in the world, thats already a win for him from a Public Relations point of view. I think he will feel actually he needs relatively little to get out of this summit. Dont forget, he was not the one who requested it. For the Biden Administration with the close analysis and some criticism that they have faced, they want to show something to come out of this. No one is expecting it to be a tangible deliverable in terms of, oh, well solve the cyber thing or Alexey Navalny will be released or aggression in ukraine will come to an end, but there still needs to be something to explain why this was necessary at this moment in time. Both leaders have used this word predictability, trying to inject an element of predictability into the relationship, and so, if that can be achieved on some level, and it could be just opening a series of dialogues or reinstating those ambassadors or starting the process for a prisoner release, then i think certainly both sides will probably call it something of a success. In describing the goal as being predictability, has already changed from previous administrations of both parties, frankly, going back to bush, in each case where they talked about reinvigorating the relationship, resetting it, whatever the verb is. No talk of that. Closer to the cold war. The cold war, when you had these summits, it was almost microscopic agenda, very small areas where both countries could agree to have a dialogue. Usually about nuclear weapons. Arms control may be on the table today, but much more modest expectations. Nobody is talking about a reset here. President putin has no interest in a reset. Hes quite Lap Pi Playing The Arch Villain and keeping the west as an adversary. You wont see him bowing and skreeping in any way. Nor will you see President Biden bowing and scraping. Hes always going to be a very firm tone, making it clear america does stand for these values and president putins feet will be held to the fire when russia does not. You saw that in their body language. You cover the white house, natasha. How has the Biden Administration set up where it hopes to go here . And i assume youve been pressing them today. How are they beginning to spin expectations for what the end result is here . Several white house officials are in the same position we are, waiting to see what happens. They dont really know what to expect from Vladimir Putin because, of course, he is know tor yously unpredictable. Thats part of the reason why theyve been lowering expectations. This could go really well or could go really badly. We just dont know at this point. I was talking to a former senior official in the nsc who dealt with russia yesterday, and she said in this situation youre damned if you do and damned if you dont. Thats in response to critics who say maybe this isnt the right time for a summit. Several International Observers will say, look, diplomacy is a good response to the tensions that were seeing at this point, and at the same time, biden can differentiate himself from former President Donald Trump in the sense that he can actually approach president putin and not be obsequious and deferential and say to him or convey to him what u. S. Values are and what they expect of the russians. I think this is pretty much a situation where the u. S. The bar for the u. S. Performance is fairly low especially after helsinki in 2018. Biden will be expected to have some announcement to make or some kind of during his press briefing, some kind of deliverable to announce, but at the same time people arent really expecting all that much because everyone knows that Vladimir Putin has not really changed who he is. Understood. Well, we will be looking at that messaging as well. That will be a sharp contrast from what we heard from President Trump in helsinki. Natasha, clarissa, thanks very much. What, if any, effect will this have on russias disinformation campaign, the attacks on the u. S. Political process. Cnn Political Correspondent dana bash joins me now. This is an Ongoing Campaign by russia which sadly has allies in the u. S. A lot of the rhetoric, a lot of the attacks you hear from russia, echoed by some in the u. S. And the other way around, a lot of critiques of biden youll hear echoed by russians. What can biden do to counteract this in a summit like this, given that putin has clearly decided its in his interest . Its hard to imagine hes actually going to stop Vladimir Putin from trying to meddle in u. S. Elections. As youve written in your book, Vladimir Putin did it in elections throughout europe, particularly eastern europe, those countries who were trying to have viable democracies. I think what you heard from clarissa and natasha, its so important to underscore that one word which is predictability. I think at this point it is predictable here in the United States that russia will try to meddle. Thats not nothing. It means that u. S. Intelligence services can be on the lookout, as they were in 2020. Perhaps a lot more aggressively than they were in 2016. But the other thing that is so noteworthy that weve already seen, jim, and i also just want to underscore this, is what jeff zeleny came back on to report to you about 10, 15 minutes ago which is that jen psaki, the White House Press secretary, want to make clear that President Biden was not nodding in ascent saying, yes, i trust Vladimir Putin. They didnt want to let, never mind a news cycle go by, but a Matter Of Minutes go by without making that record clear immediately because that has so many ramifications in terms of perception and in terms of this summit which is happening as we speak, ongoing. When former President Trump met with putin, particularly in helsinki, but not confined to there, he would often accommodate, apologize for russian activity, even famously take the word of putin over that of u. S. Intelligence agencies. That got both republican and democratic criticism at the time. To hear a democratic President Biden call out this kind of behavior i dont mean to hunt for bipartisanship in washington where its very difficult to find, do you expect a meeting of the minds here where folks on both sides of the aisle to say, yeah, that was necessary to hear that message . Maybe this is going to say naive, but i do. There are still republicans, even and especially those who are leading or at least high ranking in some of the Foreign Affairs committees, armed services, Foreign Affairs, foreign relations, who are more old school when it comes to wanting and understanding the importance of making sure that the Russia Relationship is stable, and making sure the u. S. Is on equal footing and not kowtowing to russia, which is what was so stunning about that helsinki moment. Will there be partisan griping . Of course there will be, particularly from those who actually kind of play into russias hand on the first thing you asked me about, which is election meddling, by sharing misinformation and propagating that. But i do expect that, while there will be criticism, that there will also a more of a genuine desire to get some form of an accomplishment for the greater good, Geopolitical Good and also when it comes to american National Security. Perhaps to show his diplomatic chops, right . This is first, most consequential diplomatic trip since becoming president. Dana bash in washington, thank you so much. What kind of approach is President Biden taking with putin . To be a Fly On The Wall in the room. Former defense secretary chuck hagel weighs in. Thats coming next. Plus, what is it like to be face to face with putin, a man that biden has publicly accused of being a killer . Well talk about that ahead as well. Please stay with us. Listerine® cleans virtually 100 . 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She said in 2016 before President Trump won the election, you said whoever won should sit down with putin, you said, because otherwise we could find ourselves very quickly in another cold war buildup. It appears, sadly, you predicted right. Given all these areas of disagreement and escalation in those areas, describe how dangerous the u. S. russian relationship is at this point in your view . Well, thanks jim for having me on. I think the world is as dangerous, as volatile, as uncertain as weve seen since probably the early days of the cold war, and i think it represents an even more dangerous world because of technology, because of cyber, because of all the things that you know and the world knows thats going on. President biden has always been a Foreign Policy leader who has believed in engagement. And i think this is about as much as anything else. Dana said it earlier, stabilizing a relationship. This engagement is very important. Youve got to find some rationale, some roadmap, some highway here to stabilizes the relationship. This isnt going to produce all kinds of new initiatives, but if you can stabilize the relationship, build a foundation and a basis of further communication, which were going to have to have to deal with these big issues, both where we have common interests and common challenges where we dont agree, thats fundamentally first. Both sides have described the state of u. S. Russia Relations at a lo