For the third time this year the president of the United States of interest on felony charges this time for alleged crimes against democracy itself. Good evening in new york im Anderson Cooper along with jake tapper in washington. Anderson unlike the first tournament in new york and florida, this one was held within view of the crime scene. The u. S. Capital. Federal courthouse, where dozens of members of the violent mob have been cited, that he incited a hundreds convicted at the president. The actual proceedings that relied by the Magistrate Judge pled not guilty to four counts of the election he lost his next Court Date Set for the 28 in front of a trial judge, antonio chutkan, who is expected to set a trial date. A short time later at the sentencing at the tarmac at the Reagan National airport, holding an umbrella by his body man and documents gay codefendant walt nauta, mr. Trump made the following remarks, starting with a slur about the nations capital. This is a very sad day for america, and it was also very sad driving through washington d. C. And seeing the filth and decay and all of the broken buildings and malls and graffiti. This is not the place that i left. Its a very sad thing to see it. When you look at whats happening, this is a persecution of a political opponent. This was never supposed to happen in america. This is the persecution of the person thats leading by very, very large margins in the republican primary and leading biden by a lot. So if you cant beat him, you persecute him or you prosecute him. We cant let this happen in america. Thank you very much. Interesting idea that there is not graffiti or oh at the town, anderson. When he pointed out earlier, when trump left washington on january 2021, the district is under heightened security, out of concerns that the inauguration might prompt a repeat of the january six right. Jake, the former president is not bacas call cold in jersey. Cnns Kaitlan Collins is outside the federal khorasan, Washington Posts been covering events all day. Caitlin, or issue from former president s aides and allies about how the night went . Anderson, it was as expected when it came to the actual proceeding, the nuts and bolts of what it looked like once the former president was here in the chorus behind me. Of course, the expected me to plead not guilty, but he did it himself here, which is not what he did and miami. Instead, as attorney did it. He himself said the words when he was in the chorus behind me. For the president himself, i am told that he is obviously not happy that she had to come here to washington today, as he made clear in his remarks there and subsequent remarks, that hes made on about the city, but if the idea would be that hed prefer not to show up in person for this, another indictment, and other or mondaire of his growing legal troubles that he is facing. Hes talking online about how they are benefiting him politically, but they are weighing on him. He had this dejected look on his face as he got the motorcade to go back to the airport, to go back to new jersey. I should note that those words you heard earlier, that was all he said. He did not take questions from reporters, and that is despite the fact that they have been planning for him to take a few questions from reporters when he got to the airport. Its unclear will change that plan, but some certainly something. Did the prosecution wants a speedy trial. It seems clear where the defense wants to delay as much as possible. Absolutely, theres no doubt that they want to delay. We watched it happen and the documents case in florida. The difference though is that there is no codependent to help drag it out. He had help from well not getting a Florida Attorney and having to delayed up by several weeks. Here, its just him. Hes the only defendant. Those coconspirators this it ended indictment, have not themselves been indicted. This is probably the most abnormal part the entire day. At one point, it was expected that there was a bit of a dispute between his attorney and the judge talking about the timeline for his trial. He was talking about the next appearance several weeks from now potentially setting the trial they then. His attorney was making the point they wanted to make sure that they had enough time. That is john morrow, whos argued to me that he believes he could take nine months to a year to try this case. Of course, this will all be up to the judge here who has a quick timeline, typically, for these kinds of things. We should point out that the former president has been criticizing the charges on truth social. Is there any reason that the lawyers will ask him to print out or, even if they did, with that matter . Its certainly would not matter. He has had attorneys before who have asked not to attack. Prosecutors are not to attack judges. Hes attacking jack smith, who sat 15 feet away from him today. I talk to people in his orbit, people on his legal team, people on the legal team before, and they obviously do not think its a good idea to attack the judge and attack the prosecutor. But also, their client is not a trump, and there is not really a way to stop him from posting online. Youve heard the just said they say not to threaten witnesses, pretty standard language but making sure that that was something that was set while the former president was in the courtroom. As you know, there is a massive list of witnesses in this case, including people who have worked for him, people closest to him and people who still work for him, anderson . Kaitlan, thanks so much. Jake . Anderson, thanks so much. With me tonight, senior all Enforcement Analyst andrew mccabe. Senior legal analyst laura coats. Senior political analyst william porter, and Senior Special correspondent jamie gangel. Lets start with something that i thought was very interesting, laura coates. The judge not only are cited the four charges flight out in the indictment but also, the maximum sentence potentially for anybody found guilty, convicted at them. This includes conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding, which is a maximum of 20 years obstruction of an official proceeding, maximum conspiracy against rights, meanings ability or attempt to take away the Voting Rights and parts of individuals to have to votes counted. Thats ten years, it acts if if the ears, the recharge is a four. Is that normal to give the charges and the maximum sentence . It is standard to provide the defendant with as much notice as possible so that they know the full scope of their actual charges. They also know his age, he stated. If you look arithmetic on that, the idea that if the maximum were imposed, its really a Life Sentence for this particular individual. 77 years old. But i will say that it is highly unlikely that any a does maximums would normally be reached, although this is a judge who in the course of trying and overseen Different Cases that the january six court proceedings, she has gone above even where prosecutors have recommended. She has been very clear and firm about the gravity assigned to these charges, and these are very serious charges against anyone, let alone for the president at the United States. By providing that notice, its a kind of due process. By the way, its shocking to many people to hear that, but this is the experience of most defendants in courtrooms, where they are not confronted with the reality that they are now on the other side at the United States andrew mccabe, theres been a lot of talk today about how dominant is being treated as of this would in the justice system, to a degree that is true but also in otherwise, he is getting benefits of the doubt the other defendants would not. First of all, he was released just on his own cognizance, right . That is absolutely right, so in a significant way, the fact that he has to appear here in d. C. To be arraigned and informed that the charges and to be processed, all of those things are normal procedure that every defendant and the federal criminal matter us to do. As you mentioned, there are some notable differences here. He has not been subjected to a mugshot, i did this case or the case as far as we know. Its questionable as to whether or not he was fingerprinted today in the voting process. Theres an argument to be made that he is so on, it is not necessary to have the identifying information. But, released on your own recognizance, when you have the ability to hop on your own 7 57 and a minute, go anywhere and you glow that you want to go, thats a pretty big extension of courtesy or liberty to this defendant. No matter how hard the prosecutors in the system try to conform this prosecution to the standard route all criminal defense and the Federal System Go through, i think its always going to be slightly different because he is a former president. Gloria, one at the things that is interesting, they are pushing forward on this First Amendment. Who knows what the actual due, the trump lawyers, when they go to the courtroom, but in the core of the public opinion, theyve been talking about a First Amendment defense. Youre prosecuting things were things he said. You can do, that he has a First Amendment right. Here is what trumps then Attorney General bill barr not on jenner six but the days and weeks leading up to january six told Kaitlan Collins last night when asked about this First Amendment defense. As the indictment says, they are not attacking his First Amendment right. He can say whatever he wants. He cant even lie and tell people that the election was stolen, when he knew better. But that does not protect you from entering into a conspiracy. All conspiracies involve speech, and all fraud involve speech. Free speech is not give you the right to engage in fraudulent conspiracy. There goes that theory. He ripped that apart. He said donald trump can lie. We know donald trump lies. They can my aunt they want, try to depress, lied to his friends, lie to people who work for him, but he said that is kind of besides the point. That is almost irrelevant. This was, according to the former Attorney General, and he seemed to believe that it was laid out clearly a conspiracy. If you want to have a conspiracy, who had to conspire with other people. And we all know from looking at this indictment pretty closely. There is a big blank here for an coconspirators. I had some scribbling on here. The point is that there are a lot of blanks base. Ella blank space. We want to put in some new descendants. They do want to put in some conspirators, well, coconspirators. They got the room for it. What they dont have is the time, and they want to move this case very quickly, unlike the president s attorneys, who want to delay, delay, delay. But there is an argument if they have put down all of those other conspicies on a list, that really would have delayed what they want to do, which is talk about donald trump. I just had one quick thing, that was bill barr, Donald Trumps former Attorney General, who is not only a conservative republican, but he was hard allowing. He supported donald trump in every way that he could, over and over. He was aggressive. During the first impeachment, during the Mueller Investigation . He only left in december. For him to affect obliterate a defense that trumps lawyers are putting out there now, its Everything Everything else he said in that interview, he said caitlin asked about whether donald trump could take the stand or bill brought up if you would take the stand, and bill barr made very clear that would not be a good idea. You have donald trump take the stand . Right. What we are seeing here, whether its donald trump or his lawyers or republican elected officials, this is the political court. This is speaking to their base, to their supporters. This is not what is going to go on. There is a reason for that, right . Donald trumps first primary and most important Legal Defense is to win the presidency in 2024. Thats his hail mary passed for getting out from under both of these federal cases, because if it wins the presidency, he knows bookcases go away overnight, if they have not already. Important word though, federal cases, because there are other cases and matters, including decisions made by fani willis at the corporate county d. A. s office about what they would do, and they would not into in from the. But were talking about political speech as a talking point. This actually means something in the law. Does not mean that anytime a politician speaks it becomes political speech and no one can touch. There are some clear reasons about why they want to protect and be mindful of protecting political speech. We do not want people turn into job because they won against the king. Remember, i personally remember there, what we remember reading about what a statement no you did not, jaime can go. Dick about all the aspects of, it but the notion of political speech, essentially means you can regrow your grievances, criticize the government, youre entitled to your opinion but not the fact that they referred to action to actually creates criminal liability. Just to point out what bill barr was talking about, there is a 0. 3 in the indictment, where, and remember, this is an indictment, from a grand jury, this is from american citizens, and they give this to the Special Counsel. I am just going to read, the defendant, donald trump, had a right, like every american to speak publicly about the election and even to claim falsely that there have been outcomes determinative fraud during the election and that he had one. Theres also entitled to formally challenge the results of the elections of unlawful and inappropriate means, such as seeking recounts for votes in states and filing lawsuits of procedures. Indeed, in many cases, the defendant pursued the methods of testing the election results. The efforts to change the outcome in a stage or recounts were uniformly unsuccessful. Theyre sitting right here, the third point, hes not in trouble for a lot. Thats right, and lets be clear about this, the federal Criminal Code as many statutes that criminalize speech that is not protected, every fraud requires a statement as part of the crime. If i call you up, jamie and i tell you on the phone for the purpose of stealing money from you. That is wire fraud. Might last two you are not protected speech. If i knew, gloria, to return, to force you to give me something of value, that is extortion. Might that to you is not protected speech, and that is the case that they are making in the indictment. The speech is not protected because it is part of a crime. Just to put a period on, there is a different channel. Fox, 787 point 5 million, they paid to dominion Electronic Voting Systems because of the definition, the definition that Day Platformed and made themselves, some at their host against that company, free speech is a right that we enjoy in this country. It is not an unlimited right, anderson. For airtime, speaker Kevin Mccarthy spoke on the subject he falsely acquitted former President Trumps actions after the 2020 election with the losing campaigns Hillary Clinton and al gore. Dickey. I could say the same thing that Hillary Clinton says about her election the schloss. I can say the same thing about the dnc who set the 2016 race. I can say the same thing about those Antidemocratic Party for the leadership on down about george bush and al gore did. But were any a dam prosecuted . Were any attempt put in jail . When Hillary Clinton said it, Nothing Happened. One day set in georgias election, Nothing Happened to them either. You know what, when the dnc said that, Nothing Happened to them either. Speaker mccarthy just a short time ago, we are joined by our commuters caught jennings, Alyssa Farah Grown congressman, kinzinger, what did you think of it . Oh, my gosh, watch into, i can. He knows better. He knows that is complete garbage. That is just read me talking points. Even to the base will look at that and go that is not decent thing. Does not make an ounce of sense. The can see how angry hes been getting, lately, by the way when he speaks, kevin. Thats reverend to get angry when he speaks, but hes been doing it more and more. My guess is that this is tearing him up inside. Hes mad not at the people hes asking the question, hes frankly mad that he has to come up with that lie and stay there and say that. As marco rubio tweeted yesterday, because some actors did a video where they were asking the electors in 2016 to vote for Hillary Clintons that donald trump. They were equating the, its different. Its okay to ask electors to split their vote. Its not okay to create fake electors and attacked the capital to get your way. Youre not even convinced Kevin Mccarthy believes it watching that. We saw this kind of echo similar talking points. At least a fonda a strong statement. Theyre using all the terminology that we expect, a witch hunt, to distract from hunter biden, has absolutely nothing to with hunter biden. They were all there at the capitol. I am old enough to remember when Kevin Mccarthy said, and we have audio with discussing, i am done with this guy, talking about donald trump. Labor sponsored but for the, day but now that is out the window. I dont know how republican supporters,