United states has been arraigned on fell analyst charges. This time for alleged crimes against democracy itself. After pleading not guilty, im told he was in a sour and dejected mood. This is a very sad day for america. This is the biden plolitical law fair. This is election interference at its finest. It feels like a great vindication of the rule of law. They turn. Very concerned about the charges and privately hes been really frustrated. What it means for his legacy. This is going to be a threat to public trust in the Justice System going forward. Theres no question that donald trump. Absolutely laughable. Whats the fraud . Tell me what the fraud is. Youre entitled to raise a question. Thats the uniqueness of the first amendment. Thats the uniqueness of america. Were going to have to lose another psych toll figure you we have to pick somebody else other than donald trump. This could be an inflection point. Demonstrating our commitment to the rule of law. This is a huge case. They are now on the other side of the United States. Thats right. Quite a week it has been. It is friday, time to digest all of this. Good morning, were glad youre with us. We have new reporting on trumps State Of Mind and his political positioning after he pleaded not guilty for the third time in a courtroom in just four months. This time based on his efforts to cling to power after his 2020 election loss, the calendar is coat. The next hearing is key. His lawyers say everyone is setting the stage for a Chaotic Campaign season. Trumps lawyer foreshadowing they are prepared to use the charges to revisit his election fight. S. We will relitigate every single issue in the 2020 election in the context of this litigation. House speaker Kevin Mccarthy also coming out with a new defense of trump. Equating his actions with those of al gore and Hillary Clinton after their election losses. Listen. Youre entitled to raise a question. Youre entitle d to question whether it was honest or not. Thats the uniqueness of the first amendment. Thats the uniqueness of america. You shouldnt be prosecuted for your thoughts. The difference here is when Hillary Clinton said it, Nothing Happened to her. When they said it in georgias election, Nothing Happened either. Also overnight, democratic lawmakers are peing that the federal judge thats going to oversee the case Asking Th Trial to be televised despit rules prohibiting that, but judges can make decisionon this. This is what letter reads. Given the historic nature of the charges, its hard to imagine a more powerful circumstance for televised proceedings. Our team was in the courtroom yesterday. Van pevan perez joins us. The next hearing is august 28th. Thats when the judge is going to set a trial date, right . This is right. The judge is going to signal that come august 28th, she wants to set a hearing. Shes given the trump team and the prosecution seven days each for them to brief and provide information for their preferences. Then she will set a date. That is really fast. In miami where the former president is also facing charges related to the maralago classified documents, you spend a month just waiting for walt nauta, his codefendant, to be arraigned. So you can see that this is a court that we have seen repeatedly in the january 6th cases. We have seen these judges set quick trial dates. They want to Ajuddjudicate Heez cases because they believe these people should face justice before the next election and try to prevent that from happening again in the next one. So what we anticipate is, as you heard there from the former president s attorn, we expect that he is going to raise a lot of issues. Helrdy raised them in court yesterday. He said this is a very accocomplicated case. He believes that we have a lot of issues that have to be l litigated. He also pointed out that the Special Counsel had two and a half years to investigate this matter and that they are going to have to have a lot of discovery to go through before they can get ready to try it. He raised the possibility it could be a 9 to 12month trial. The judge will make the final decision with the understanding that they the to make sure the former president has a fair trial. Yesterday in court, he sat there and seemed not pleased about something that was given to him, some of the parmwork given to him. He and jack smith had clear sights on each other. Several times they looked at each other, which is different from the previous proceeding where they could not have sight lines of each other. Thats really interesting. So few people get to be in the courtroom. You got to see all that. Also in georgia, we could see a fourth indictment. The grand jury expected to meet there today. Anything thats been happening this week there that indicates to you that decision on indictment might come sooner than later . We have seen from the team his District Attorney there has already issued subpoenas to potential witnesses. They would be given 48 hours before they get told when to show up. What that indicates is that she really does mean to bring charges. You dont subpoena people for new testimony to the grand jury thats going to make the decision if youre not planning to bring charges. So the timeline now appears to be sometime later this month. It could happen at any time. We know that the grand jury expires later this month, so we anticipate that it will come probably later in the month simply because i think for the security of the grnd jurors and the court, they want to make sure that everything is done so they can get out of the courthouse before they hand those out. Thats really interesting development. Evan perez, stay with us. Joining us is david chalian, phillip, and former Assistant Attorney for the Southern District of new york hoelie hon. David, i want to start with you. We saw Kevin Mccarthy come out yesterday and make public comments. Its not a rarity. Try to make the comparison to strawman, but whats most interesting is in the indictment itself as it relates to Kevin Mccarthy, theres actually a passage in there, and i want to read it and show people. It says at 3 00 p. M. , the defendant had a phone call with the Minority Leader of t United States house of representatives. Thats mccarth the defendant told the Minority Leader that the crowd at the capitol was more upset than the leader. Theres very few instances, theres no sourcing or details for the call. I reported on this call. We had some of this. What do you make of that . We had quite a lot of it. There were other members of congress telling what they understood and overheard mccarthy describing about the call. So theres a lot of information thats been out there. The context of that moment and that being the indictment, its interesting when it comes to mccarthy on the trump spectrum. That is the moment where the split began for like a week or whatever it was. A few days where like you could start seeing in this phone call you can hear the way that we have learned about it that mccarthy and trump are simply not in the same place. That went on for a few days. And then he went down to maralago and turned it around and realized for political viability and the aublt to become speaker and stay in his position in the party, trump is going to have to be part of that. He went back to the point that he makes comments like yesterday where they are just you know Kevin Mccarthy well. Com county does not believe what hes saying in those comments. He just doesnt. Hes searching for some argument to make to stay loyal and staed fast to trump. Your reporting on this, its in manufacturing industry. I should just leave it there. He has all of this bad news that hes trying to deal with. The way hes dealing with it is he and his allies are trying to come up with rationals. Its really important when we talk about his attorney, when you welcome at his interviews, the first words were to compare it to the january 6th committee. You do that because youre making a a political argument. When the rest of the Trump Attorneys are thinking about this case, what they are thinking about is getting it past november 2024. Its very explicit. Now they are saying we want to keep this out until after the election. Donald trumps strategy has been basically from the beginning the political strategy. I get elected president , this all goes away. Frnkly, when we speak to legal experts, thats probably his best bet. He and his allies, they are doing whatever ta can to come up with some excuse, not to convince the judge or the jury, but they are going to convince his base. All this is unfounded and hes under attack. What the bidens are doing is worse. Thats why we hear the arguments and why we hear Kevin Mccarthy saying things. One of the things i have been fixated on is the speed with which the Special Counsel has been able to bring both the maralago case and this case. A lot of democrats were frustrated with the attorney general. Seems to be moving very quickly. Is the election part of that . Is that why they have moved so fast or was this just right and ready at this moment . Absolutely. They have been paying attention to the political calendar. They had to. One of the things that the Justice Department does, they have rules of how to adjudicate or bring cases and get out of the way of the political calendar, get out of the way of the election. Ever had a president in this positionr expresident in this position before. They are having to sort of adjust the rules to fit this set of facts, this script. So they are fully aware of the fact that they want to try to at least make sure they bring the charges and then put it in the hands of judges to see if they can bring the cases before the voters make their decision. David chalian and i have been talking about this a lot. Its kind of a little too late. They already crashed into the political call calendar. So the criticism is going to come. One thing that i think is going to be were going to hear a lot more in the coming months is i think these cases were everybody at the Jvts Department knew the political atmosphere around these cases. And jack smiths appointment really turbo charged this and made them come a lot faster, perhaps it might have been some of the politicale leaders ma might have been more hesitant buzz of the criticism they are getting. Jack msmut is not that. He came in from outside hes appointed specifically to try to remove the politics from this. It really turbo charged the two cases to come more quickly. Im so interested in what you think is going to happen in georgia because of that specific reporting that evan just gave us. It looks like from that that would point to an indictment. But whats so imponteresting, i read that profile in the new york times, where he digs into who she is, how shes gone after everyone from teachers to gangs in atlanta. It talks about how complex the charges are that she has brought in that way. What does that tell us a about what she maybe bringing here against trump, because it has taken a very long time. It could hardly be clear that she has every intention of indicting donald trump and doing it soon. She has been forecasting this, hyping this up for years. By the way, also contribute ingo the Timing Problem that evan identified. Willis has a really impressive and distinguished history as a prosecutor. She has prosecute d all sorts o cases. She has done a good job, but i have to point out she has intermixed her own political fortunes with this case in a way that i think is going to backfire significantly. Because of her past statements . A couple things. First of all, sthhes been thro off a piece of this case because she subpoenaed a republican candidate for office and hosted a fundraiser for their opponent. What were you thinking . Second of ul a, shes used her own subpoenas in this case, she subpoenaed Lindsey Graham and recirculated a political cartoon making fun of Lindsey Graham as part of a political fundraising effort. Shes made inappropriate public statements give ing her opinion that this is a criminal case, which the grand jury has not vote d on that yet. She gave her opinion about Donald Trumps criminal State Of Mind. All of this is bad forum by a prosecutor. She absolutely does no better and its going to be a problem for her. Before you go, because my favorite line of this piece is she said im not a good politician, but im a very good prosecutor. Would any of that mean legally a problem for her if she bring this is or, or is it just optics . I disagree with her. Shes a better prosecutor than politician. Thats what she said. The problem is she has intermixed politics. She should know better as a prosecutor. Legally, heres what happens. Shes been removed from a piece of the case because of a political Conflict Of Interest that she created. When this goes into the courts, count on donald trump arguing that she is improperly mixed her own politics and needs to be proved from the case. Thats only because it was prematurely made. Once the cases is brought, they will argue she has a Conflict Of Interest and i dont know if those arguments will succeed, but shes created these problems for herself. That is a good line for a politician, by the way. Its a good line. Thank you, appreciate it. 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