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CNNW Inside July 4, 2024

Today on inside politics, a burden of proof and politics. The trial against donald trump takes shape as a federal judge sets a date to decide when prosecutors will present their case. A timeline careening into a campaign. Now the former president issued a plea to the Supreme Court. Plus Kevin Mccarthy a auditions for supporting role in the trump defense. The House Speaker unloads an angry tirade over the special counsel indictment, Sidestepping The Former president ials election lies that led to a deadly attack on the capitol where Kevin Mccarthy serves. And made by bidenomics, new cnn reporting spotlights the strategy to make sure americans know their roads, dams and ports and jobs attached to them are thanks to joe biden. Im dana bash. Lets go behind the headlines and inside politics. Up first, Donald Trumps anger and anxiety triggered by a looming trial for alleged election crimes. The former president s public posture is defiance. Today donald trump made a demand that the Supreme Court get involved, but behind closed doors, we are told trump enraged by the third indictment made clear that he was not happy with what happened inside that courtroom. What he sees as an insult from the judge who oversaw thursdays historic arraignment. Lets talk more about that with our panel here to share their insights. Earth event perez, katelyn polantz, former fbi director Andrew Mccabe and former federal prosecutor elliot williams. Happy friday, everybody. It feels like a friday. Is that what day it is . Its been a very long week. Lets just start with where donald trump left us after he was serving inside when he came for the arraignment. And this is what he said to reporters. It was very brief, but very deliberate. This is a persecution of a political opponent. This was never supposed to happen in america. This is the persecution of the person thats leading by very, very substantial numbers in the republican primary and leading biden by a lot. So if you cant beat him, you persecute him or prosecute him. I want to have you talk about that, but also, you were inside the court about what exactly the former president s posture was. Because some of the color and kind of the scene was really fascinating. It was. And one of the things coming up to this hearing was that the court took great pains to make sure that the public had access to it, but also that donald trump was treated like any criminal defendant in that court. And the thing that evan and i both were in this hearing, as well as the hearing in florida which we got to witness, they did it so differently. In florida he was address ed by the Magistrate Judge as the former president. He was already seated in the the room when the public was able to come in and see it. So the whole courtroom was set before the hearing. This it was not like that at all. He was the last person into the courtroom, so you had him witness him walk in with the marshals surrounding him, the secret service, sitting down at that table addressed by Magistrate Judge as mr. Trump, which i thought i caught a grimace whenever that was said by the Magistrate Judge. And Kaitlan Collins reported this he was quite irked that he wasnt address ed as mr. President or the former president. And then the way the proceeding played out, there were several moments where he was asked to do a lot more than he did in florida. He had to sign his bond paperwork. He was asked to speak. He was sworn in twice. He entered his not guilty plea in florida. His lawyers did all of that. He was barely engaged, he wasnt directly addressed by the judge, didnt say a single word. But even though this proceeding felt like really any proceeding of a criminal defendant in the d. C. District court when they make their initial appearance, it was unusual. There was so much security around it. Even with the court doing their normal court of business, seven judges took time out of their day to come into that courtroom, sit in the back row and observe. It was incredible. The Magistrate Judge actually emphasizing that the former president is not allowed to intimidate witnesses. Its a thing that you might see maybe in like a mob trial or Something Like that, where thats an issue. Did you see his reaction when she said that . One of his lawyers looked down and smiled at that point in time. They had already been through the terms with him. You cant commit crimes when youre out. Do you understand that . And she went back to it. Just to make sure. And made him respond in the affirmative that he understood. So there was absolutely all of the things that the former president has done in all his other cases, it absolutely was a fixture and was part of the extra character in this courtroom. Because again of the history of the former president. Standby. I want to get to alayna treene. What are you hearing from your sources about the former president s sort of posture today . Reporter well, hes very frustrated. He is very angered by the mounting legal troubles that he is facing. And you could see some of that yesterday. Some of our great reporters, including those on your panel, were inside the courtroom and noted this he did appear somber, he did appear dejected. I also picked that up when you could see him speaking with reporters before beoarding his plane. He likes to normally be defiant when hes speak ing publicly. He likes to seem energized, even though we know hes very concerned and frustrated about these charges, but he didnt really give a lot of that off yesterday. And he is going to alabama tonight. He will be addressing republicans there. I do think hes going to try to go back to using the defiant rhetoric and the bravado he tries to use when hes talking to supporters. But its starting to weigh on him. Youre starting to see that bleed into the public a little bit more. I also just want to point to some things hes been say iing today on truth social. Hes been railing against these charges, as he has been all week, but he also had an interesting point today about the Supreme Court. He said this morning it is electionnterference and the Supreme Court must interseed. Also he noted that hes frustrated about how much money is being dedicated to his defense team. He said, quote, my political opponent has hit me with a barrage of weak lawsuits, which require massive amounts of time and money. So you can clearly see here how angered donald trump is by this and frustrated behind the scenes. Alayna, thank you so much. Appreciate it. Back here, hes angry. There are a lot of people who were inside the capitol who still have some ramifications of it, the Family Members of those people who passed away are probably angry as well. We can keep going down that list. But lets talk about the case itself. One of the former president s attorneys, a lot of them have been on tv trying to make their case in the court of public opinion. One made an interesting claim, and i want to get both of your reaction to it. I think that everybody was made aware that he lost the election, but that doesnt mean that was the only advice haven he was given. If anybody understands, there are numerous all the of advisers and politicians and lawyers, not just one or two, that are giving you eadvice. So this particular defense is he was led to believe that he actually won the election by a certain set of lawyer this is he chose to believe. Right. And they work on television. And it maybe appealing to his supporters, but its not likely to work in the court of law for a variety of reasons. Its interesting to me the way she phrased that seems to be a little bit of a softening of the prior statements we have heard, which were more focused on, i was absolutely following counsel, and i thought that the election had been stolen. This seems to be slightly backtracking from that saying he was told by others that the election had been stolen from him. Nevertheless, the offenses hes been charged with, it will not be an effective defense to say i thought the election had been stolen from me, because hes not being charged for saying the election was stolen. Hes being charged for entering into conspiracies to commit fraud. Even if you think youre right, even if you think something has been taken from you and youre going to enter into this conspiracy to get it back, the conspiracy is still a crime. Such an important point. The fact that he may have actually thought the election was stolen, although thats highly debatable and many people im sure will come forward to say he knew it was legitimate election, either way, its not likely. Youre not allowed to rob a bank because you believe that the money in there is yours. If youre delusional and you rob a bank, thats not an excuse. Theres even a clearer piece of this in that january 6th rioters believed the election was stolen. There are judges that say you can believe this, that doesnt mean it wasnt a crime. They have been convicted by the hundreds in the same courthouse. I want to be clear. Its an entirely unfair argument for the president s attorneys to make, at least as a defense, to says there was a multiplicity of ideasaround me from attorneys a was confusing. We took opinions from a lot of people. I think its undermined by a few things. One of those people is the attorney general. One is the director of the National Intelligence and on down. And moreover, prior to that point, they filed like 62 lawsuits around the country, all of which they lost. So yes, there were a lot of ideas around the president , but the simple fact is there was an overwhelming weight of evidence to the opposite point. I think it will speak to maybe there are a lot of ideas, but you were recklessly disregarding an obvious truth. What about timing . We think the august 28th state, the next day to present there . The judge is going to stick to her guns to set a trial date. The question is whatever date she chooses whether thats set in stone is another matter. In the end, she has to be careful to make sure that the defendant has a fair trial. He has a right to that. And they are going to try everything they can can to try to muck that up. Thank you so much. Everybody, standby. In an attempt to defend former President Trump after his third arraignment, House Speaker Kevin Mccarthy angrily tries to rewrite history. 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The California Republican falsely equated Donald Trumps 2020 election conspiracies, which led to his supporters ransack ing the capitol to actions taken by Hillary Clinton and al gore. I would say the same thing Hillary Clinton says about her election she lost. I can say the same thing about the 2016 race. I can say the same thing about those in the Democratic Party from the leadership on down about george bush not winning that al gore did. But were any of them prosecuted . Were any of them put in jail . Were any of them held with no response . The answer is no. So yeah, you can raise that that someone raised a question. In america you are entitled to raise a question. Youre entitled to question whether it was honest or not. Thats the unique nness of the first amendment. Thats the uniqueness of america. Put you know what . You shouldnt be prosecuted for your thoughts. He is right. Democrats were angry after Hillary Clinton lost, after al gore lost, and there were some challenges to that. But heres the big difference. Both of those Democratic Candidates ultimately conceded. I still believe in america, and i always will. If you do, then we must accept this result and then look to the future. I accept the finality of this outcome, which will be ratified next monday in the Electoral College expect and tonight for the sake of our unit don and the strength of our democracy, i offer my cob session. A few weeks after that speech, al gore, who was Vice President at the time, he even presided over the congressional session approving the Electoral College result ths that he lost. I was there and i watched it. Lets go live to lauren fox on capitol hill. Lauren, this underscores Donald Trumps influence over the gop. What are you hearing . Reporter its not that different than what we have seen from the House Speaker time and time again. This isnt trumps first indictment. We have pressed him before on previous indictments, the last time about classified documents, he often would try to move the conversation back to joe biden. What about joe bidens classified documents. Those are two very different instances, two very different cases. And clearly, what he is doing here is trying to remain close to his right flank torks remind them that he is standing with the former president , and that is no coincidence. In the weeks leading up to the indictment on tuesday, there was a lot of coordination, a lot of collaboration with trumps team to ensure that republicans in the House Of Representatives were ready to come to his defense swiftly. Thats exactly precisely what youre seeing in that clip there from Kevin Mccarthy. And talk about the House Democrats. Because one of the political rules of thumb is that if youre opponent is in trouble, you kind of step back and let them continue to be in that state. It sounds like House Democrats are getting involved, or at least trying to. Theres a number of House Democrats who sent a letter recently to the judicial conference asking for a change to the statutes, as it relates to having cameras in Federal Court argue ing that the latest is a moment when we should start to see cameras in the courtr for this case. They are asking for an i just want to read you part of the letter. It says if the public is to fully accept the outcome, it will be vitally importanfor it to witness as directly as possible how the trials are conducted. The strength of the evidence, and the credibility of witnesses. We should say cameras are not allowed in Federal Courtrooms when it comes to a criminal trial. So asking for this exception would cast a the lot of questions about whether or not this is fair. Given the fact that the Justice Department tried time and time again to make the case, they are treating trump like every other person. This would obviously cast that into question. It sure would. Theres a whole argument and discussion about the fact that it is 2023, and there

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