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CNNW Anderson July 4, 2024

The defense, in one way or another in this federal case, and the other today, saying not so fast. Today, the special counsel, asked for a january 2nd trial date in the election subversion case, which had said partake as little as four weeks. The former president , who is expected to challenge that, took the first step tonight in his social network. Quoting now, but leaving out some of the personal tax on smith and president biden. Quote, only an Out Of Touch Lunatic would ask for such a date. One day, into the new year, and maximum election interference with iowa. Now whatever you make of that, in particular the, the proposed date is yet another entry on what is already a very crowded calendar. Take a look. Surrounding that date are the trump organizations Civil Fraud Trial this october, the e. Jean carroll defamation trial january 15th. That is the same day of the iowa caucuses. Super tuesday, march 5th, is just ten days before march 15th, manhattan hush money trial. In the maralago documents trial is scheduled for may 20th. Today, in that case, Trump Codefendants Walt Nada and Carlos De Oliveira were in court. But first, cnns paula reid on the special counsels need, the need for speed. Paula, what exactly is the government requesting, and how likely is the judge to grant the date . Well they have this need for speed, they say, to serve what they described as to serve the public interest, it having a speedy resolution to this case. What they are asking for the judge to start this trial immediately, and after the new year. They say the last 4 to 6 weeks. And these are of course the for the first two months of a president ial election year. And right at the start of when primary voting would start for republicans. This would mean that Candidate Trump will be spending most of his weekdays in a courtroom. So, its unclear if a judge is going to go for this schedule. The special counsel also revealed a new detail today. And that is the fact that at least some of the evidence in this case is classified. And john, that could potentially complicated some of the Pre Trial Hearings here. But, the special counsel insists that even with that classified material, they will still be ready to go, in early january. So has the former president and his team, have they responded yet . Well as you noted in the intro, the former president has responded. But officially, his legal team has another week to weigh in with legal arguments, about when they think this case should go. Now, the florida prosecution is any indication, we expect they will likely try to advocate for this trial to be pushed until after the 2024 election. Now, after they submit their suggestions to the judge, this will all be hashed out at a hearing in late august. On august 28th, the judge has said. And then, she will hear these arguments, and decide on a trial date. And there is a hearing in this case tomorrow before a judge what is expected to happen there . Thats right john. The 28 hearing was supposed to be a big deal, because that was supposed to be the first hearing before judge tanya chutkan, the women who oversee this case to what is expected to be a trial. For months, she said it sent schedule a hearing tomorrow, because the two sides cannot agree on the rules for handling sensitive evidence in this case. So, i will be in the courtroom. We expect both sides will go before this judge. Again, its their first appearance before her in this case. And, they will make arguments for how they think they should handle sensitive evidence. The special counsel is advocating for broad protections. Citing concerns that the former president may learn something, evidence thats been gathered by prosecutors, and cher, potentially impacting the investigation. But Defense Attorneys, they want something more limited. Theyre arguing for something thats more similar to other january 6th cases. And john, it will ultimately be up to the judge, her first test in this case. You will be in the courtroom, we look forward to nearly realtime updates. Paula reid, thank you very much. As we said a moment ago, the former president s codefendants in the documents case, and they were in court today. But once again, procedural matters appeared to be slowing things down. Randi kaye is outside the courthouse, and joins us now. So, what did happen in court today, randy . Well john, donald trump waved his appearance to peer in court today, but he did enter a not guilty plea on the new charges in the superseding indictment through his attorney. His aide, while not a, also was here in court, and did enter a not guilty plea. We were expecting the Property Manager from maralago, Carlos De Oliveira to be in court, which he was, and to end to a plea. You may recall last week, he was in miami with a wash and you see bass lawyer, which so he could enter a flea, because he needs a floor lawyer to enter a plea here in the state of florida. He had a florida lawyer in the court room with him, but apparently, had finished up all the paperwork, had officially signed on. So once again, carlos, yellow there is really arraignment words postpone, to not appear back in court here on tuesday, august 15th. Where he possibly could wave his appearance. But we did learn earlier this evening, that his florida lawyer did now officially sign on, hours after that schedule arraignment. And he will now officially represent him here in the state, so we do expect that he will enter the plea. But john, just in terms of the charges that they are facing now. We are looking at false statements, conspiracy to obstruct justice. And concealing documents. And weve seen this play out before. Its just another, day and another delay. As youll recall, walt nauta, the aid, his original arraignment, he first can find a florida lawyer. Apparently, thats very difficult here. And then he had issues with his flight from new york. He was delayed, he was stuck on a plane. So, weve seen this movie before, john. Does it look like these delays, and the ones that may be coming next time there is a hearing, could impact the actual start of the trial . Its possible. I mean, jack smith said that the superseding indictment, and the new charges in them shouldnt impact the timeline for the trial. But it certainly looks possible, given what were seeing. And now, we are seeing a new court filing from walt knott and his team, requesting that he be able to view classified documents in the maralago documents case. They say that he needs to do that in order to properly prepare for his defense. But prosecutors say, that he just doesnt have the Security Clearance for Something Like that. Also, they say that he was not part of the willful retention of the documents. He is being charged with obstruction, so he should not be able to see those documents, john. And what is, next in the process for these two men . Well, come august, the prosecutors now have a deadline of monday, august 14th, in order to respond to this latest filing from walt nauta and his objection. And then, judge aileen cannon, who has also set a hearing date for august 25th to deal with those matters if needed, she also wants to make sure, we are told, that all of the pleas in all of the arraignments, and all of those smaller matters are dealt with, before the august 25th hearing, if that does indeed take place. And also john, i should point out that because of this, this could potentially delay Donald Trumps trial, which is scheduled for may. As weve said, in this classified documents case, if all of these hearings continue, and all of these delays. And funds continue, it could very well get pushed from may, possibly even past the president ial election, john. And that maybe, part of the point. John, randi kaye, thank you very much. With us now, former trump attorney tim parlatore, who currently represents another 2020 figure, bernie kerik. Also with a, cnn senior legal analyst elie honig, who has prosecutors and cnn political analyst and New York Times senior Political Correspondent and trump biographer maggie haberman. Elie, i want to start with you. The proposed hot trial date of january 2nd. Real estate, or is this like an opening bid . Its like an opening bid. This was a remarkably sort of wrote Wishful Thinking on the prosecutions part. I mean, if they start this case in january, that would mean, according to prosecutors request, Jury Selection would start in mid december. That means Donald Trumps team would have four and a half months or so to get ready for trial. That is close to unheard of in the federal system. This is a broad conspiracy. This charge is donald trump, but at least six other coconspirators involved. It covers seven states, over 2 to 3 months. And just to understand why its such a short timeframe. Think of what Donald Trumps legal team has to do in four and a half months to make this happen. They have to review all of the discovery. Theres going to be Hundreds Of Thousands of pages of discovery. Theres going to be hours and hours of surveillance video. They are going to have to prepare their own defense. They get to do their own investigations. So, trump is entitled to some due process here. I think for two and a half months is really pushing it. But as you say john, i do think thats an open again. But i really quickly, whats the implication . This was an explicit, but the implication in this filing was look, its important to do this quickly, because there is an important day looming. Yeah, they are studiouslys avoiding say, because the election. But they are saying the first, where we have to do this quickly. Its inappropriate, i think, for prosecutors to even acknowledge the election, never mind you argue for a court, you should schedule with the election of my. Thats mixing politics right into the case. Okay, it wasnt explicit, i should say that, but it did seem to hangover. The flip side of that mr. , parlatore, is donald trump complaining that january 2nd, a trial date would be very close to the iowa caucuses. Why should that matter, why should a Nominating Process Matter To Judicial Proceedings . Well you know, you need to have a client who is available, who is able to assist in his own defense. So certainly, looking at other Scheduling Concerns like that is something that should be taken into consideration. But, at the same time, i think that the strongest arguments that the defense should raise, are exactly what ali just said. You know, this is way too fast, and really, one thing i noticed in their filings as they avoided also saying how much discovery there is. Because i think that if they put that volume in there, you see that its probably even more discovery than they have in florida. I mean, this is going to have everything from the january 6th committee, all of those, the documents. Each witness that has been subpoenaed has submitted thousands of pages of documents. Were talking probably over 1 million pages of documents that they are expecting to get rid of that quickly. So, i think that for what is going to most impacted the judge, leading with, this is something that we could not possibly be ready to go in that period of time. And if you force us to pick a jury on that date, we will not be ready. And this is a gift wrapped appeal, thats a stronger argument then to just rely upon the iowa caucus. State yeah, easier to put a finer point on that. Look most people charged with crimes, they have jobs. Right now, Donald Trumps job is running for president why, should that inherently delay trial . Correct . Well, it is something that we bring up oftentimes is, what the Different Things are with the defendants schedule, with the defense at other trials, vacations. He pushed trials out a month, even because somebody has a vacation schedule. Ive seen trials pushed out because the Defense Attorney has Maternity Leave schedule, things like that. So, it is relevant to consider. Because ultimately, the speedy trial is the right of the defendant. And so, as long as he is willing to push it out,. Maggie, i know better, weve no better weve noticed on, to ask you whats don trump thinking, whats innocent. So i ask you what hes doing, about what hes doing. Because we are seeing him lash out, on his social media network, in campaign speeches. He has talked about the special counsel, he is talking about the judge, he is talking about the trial date. He is talking about mike pence. How much of this is a strategy, and what does he think hes getting out of . This i dont think strategy is ever a great thing to how donald trump comports self to social, media or in a lot of his public remarks. But, if there is a strategy, it is essentially to tarnish all the prosecutors who were involved, which is what weve seen him do over and over. Again he is a man of very few moves, and he uses them repeatedly. He is very very angry about these indictments, thats clear. The main thing that hes doing, jonathan just get stressed enough is, putting aside all the arguments against prosecutors. He is airing an app thats attacking prosecutors as well. But, he is trying to reinforce for everybody, i am the front runner for the republican nominee, i am the front runner on the front runner, dont even bother trying to compete against me. Now, theres no question in polls, he is far and away running ahead of everybody else. But, he is doing what he often does, which is try to make it such inevitability, that nobody should even try. And that is something of a shield, against what you are seeing in the courts. I mean, his appeal is to the public. We have seen him do this as a populist over and over and over again. And his voters become support, and his shield. Is this something that his lawyers have an opinion . On his lawyers would rather that he not speak as much as he does. John one of his lawyers, who is handling the january 6th case, he was brought on in the last couple of weeks, months i should say. But john he gave a podcast, where he was very clear that he does not agree with some of what the former president is saying on social media. Among them, the former president was insisting, were gonna File A Motion asking for a recusal of judge chutkan. And laurel made clear, no we, actually have made a decision on that at all. He also repeatedly talked about how you can control some clients. This is not something that any of them want. And so, they all work around it, and weve seen that over and over. But trump is going to find, out or not, whether this is a problem from. Thats what we have to th judges. Yome, and, wemr. Parlato think about what magg said there, and how the lawyer s is very complica in a campaign, and a whole bunch of people that want to put out public statements. It is something that is preferable, for me, to have hen they are runn fr president , it gets complicated. Complicated. [laughter] a loaded word Something Like this happens, howan advantage is it for the trump . Tea twethth u it all matter alfamino, esev gbe is that on the jud doesnt get away w thha these judg patients. Elie honig, maggie hs the de today. And the Dewe Ha State and the Dewe Ha State ron desa this, under floridaswe fi di tide is busting laundrys biggest myth. That cold water cant clean. Cold water, on those stains . Cold water cant clean tough stains . Id say that myth is busted. 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