The 2020 president ial election in georgia. Duncan is now a cnn political commentator. Here is durncan and what he tol me earlier today about the subpoena and his plans to testify. I did just receive notification to appear on Tuesday Morning at the Fulton County grand jury, and i certainly will be there to do my part in recounting the facts. I have no expectations, but ill certainly answer questions put in front of me and certainly dont want to go any deeper than that to compromise the investigation. For me, this is a story thats important for republicans to hear, americans to hear. Lets hear the whole truth and nothing but the truth about Donald Trumps actions and the surrounding cast of characters around him. We watched a series of events happen that were tragic and untruthful, and hes got a chance to present these facts and say, hey, i didnt know what was going on, or i think what reality is going to be is they knew exactly what they were doing. I think the interesting part to this indictment, its different than the others. Theres going to be 12 plus coconspirators and they dont have the same level of loyalty they had when he was trying to change the election outcome in 2020. Its going to be interesting to see which way they go. These are serious charges that are being signalled, r racketeering, things garnered for the mafia or a mob. So well certainly see this get ratcheted up in the next few days. Joining me to talk about these developments is ben ginsberg, a republican election attorney, as well as Marshal Cowen here in d. C. , tell us about the significance of duncans announcement that he will testify before a grand jury this week. Fredricka, his revelation on your show just a few hours ago means that we are almost at the critical moment of what weve been expecting and waiting for, frankly, for years, since this investigation began, which is the moment likely starting on monday when the district attorney, fani willis, will walk into the courthouse, meet with the grande jurors and begin Tha Presentation of the case. And she is expected in that presentation to bring in some key witnesses and those witnesses have been told that they would be given a headsup, 48 hours notification before they need to arrive, before they need to appear. Thats the news today, fred, that jeff duncan, the former Lieutenant Governor, got that notification. It appears that all systems are go. Of course, this would be president Donald Trumps fourth indictment and this would be he was already charged federally for his attempt to subvert the 2020 election. This would be a State Prosecution for specifically what he and many of his allies attempted, but failed to do in georgia, the peach state, which he lost to President Joe Biden by about 0. 2 of the vote. And election attorney ben ginsberg with me now. This news of the former Lieutenant Governor receiving this notification came, and just moments later we would see the former president business as usual, appearing at the Iowa State Fair. That was the video you were seeing of him, moments ago. So what do you make of duncans expected appearance before the grand jury, how, generally, will it go . He was among more than 70 who testified before the grand jury, and now possibly just a handful will be called again to testify by the d. A. , fani willis. What would be different now about this testimony . This is the process that they go through at the tail end, the actual charges are brought before the grand jury. It is an indictment that comes next if the grand jury agrees with that, and grand juries generally do agree with prosecutors who bring charges like this and ask for indictments. The georgia case is significant for two reasons. Number one, it is a state case. So that even if donald trump were being elected president , he cant pardon himself for a State Prosecution. So in terms of the january 6th cases, georgia stands alone. Of course, the second part of georgia in Fulton County is that they do have a policy of general granting cameras in the courtroom. So that while the jack smith cases are unlikely, will not be televised, this one in georgia stands to be. So it is the window into january 6th that the American People may really see the most vividly. And its quite possibly then that the Defense Attorneys for the former president would try to file a motion that no cameras be present, just as they did in previous cases. What would be the possible outcome . Well, thats an interesting question about whether they would want that or not. There is a theory, given Donald TrumpsCourt Schedule over the next six months, at least, if not the next year, that in fact his Political Campaign may be the courtroom. And making the point through his attorneys, through the proceedings that hes a persecuted victim. So it isnt immediately clear to me that trump will ask for cameras to be excluded from the courtroom. But the likely outcome of this is Fulton County does generally allow cameras in the courtroom, and so i think you go by legal precedent and probably assume it will be televised. So, ben, you made an interesting point about this would be the tail end of the investigation leading up to the possible indictment and that mr. Duncans testimony is part of that. Generally how many other testimonies would be included in this final pitch to the grand jury before indictments are rendered . That very much depends on the individual case and how the prosecutor wants to or thinks he or she needs to present the case to the grand jury. There is no formula on that. It is giving the grand jury a complete picture of the case for the grand jury to base its decision on whether to indict or not. And marshal, you did a great job earlier just helping people understand the totality of this investigation. While it seemed like it began with the recorded conversation, plea, if you will, from the former president to the georgia Secretary Of State, it blossomed into so much more. Can you once again kind of encapsulate all that this investigation has entailed . Sure, fred. And there is a lot. As ben said, its up to the d. A. To present the case how she wants to. In this situation she kind of has made it clear shes going to need two days. Thats not so common. So that phone call that you mentioned, the infamous phone call between President Trump and brad raffensperger, the Secretary Of State, where he begged and pleaded with the Secretary Of State to just find enough votes, one more than we need, so that i can win the state, thats what got this investigation started. But over the past three years we have learned so much more about the rest of the plot to essentially theres no other way to put it steal the election from joe biden and hand it to trump. There were so many other elements about the fake electors and the breach of the Election System in coffey county, Rudy Giuliani giving bogus claims of fraud to the state legislature. There is a lot here to chew on, fred. Indeed. Thank you so much. Marshal cowen and ben ginsberg, thank you so much. Appreciate it. More on our Breaking News, new signs that a fourth indictment for donald j. Trump would be coming soon in Fulton County, georgia. The former President Campaigning right now in iowa. 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Joining me right now is cnn political director, david chalian, who is at the state fair. And we saw there were a lot of people yelling questions to the former president. I dont know if you were able to hear and were privy to all of it. Was he ever asked about his reaction to jeff duncan now testifying or appearing before the grand jury on tuesday . Reporter he wasnt asked, fred, about the georgia news that we are reporting at the moment. But he was asked about the protective order that was the subject of the hearing yesterday in washington, d. C. He said he would take a look at that order. He then went on to use his usual comments of saying that he sees this as Election Interference on behalf of biden and the biden administration. He then was asked if he intentionally attempted to overturn the 2020 election, he was asked that by a reporter going around the state fair with him. His answer to that question was, you know the answer to that. That is what we heard from the former president as he was making his way around the Iowa State Fairgrounds. Hes still expected to address supporters in a third location that hes going to shortly. This gets at the intersection of the legal and political. Here is donald trump wooing the support of potential Iowa Caucusgoers in the all critical iowa caucuses, and yet hes dealing with, yet again, the latest Breaking News on his legal woes, this time the anticipation of the fourth indictment coming in georgia. David, that is part of the former president s strategy, to say, you know, everything is just fine, were just going to continue on about our business and our focus and not be distracted by anything like a legal proceeding. However, it is a very difficult schedule now, because he does have to straddle both the legal obligations and now his campaign obligations. He is going to be made available before a number of reporters a little later on today, right . I mean, what is going to be the structure of that moment . Reporter yeah, well see how that plays out. You know, its a little chaotic to bring a former president with secret Service Protection into the Iowa State Fairgrounds. Hes with a traveling press pool. I do think it is worth noting, its not even that hes trying to call this a distraction and stick to the business of campaigning. Donald trump and his team are utilizing these indictments as sort of fuel for his campaign. They use it to raise grassroots donations. You heard him just recently say he expects after a fourth indictment his poll numbers will go up more. So he sees this as an opportunity to utilize his legal challenges as a way to fortify his base of support. Do you have any idea what his schedule is while hes there at the Iowa State Fair . Reporter yeah, so he started off, he was at the Pork Producers Tent here in iowa. Thats sort of a traditional stop. You see politicians flip some pork chops on the grill. He was mixing and mingling with some fairgoers there. Then he moved over to the Animal Learning Center here on the fairgrounds. We saw him walk through there. Thats where some questions were shouted at him. Now hes over at a food and beer hall, basically, a place called steer and stein, where hes expected to address a large gathering of supporters right before i came over to the camera to talk to you. I saw the line was going down the entire block of the state fairgrounds here of supporters trying to get in to that event to see the former president. David, i wonder, what, if anything, have his people expressed about their concerns about the georgia case . Its on the state level. If he were reelected, he would not be able to pardon himself if there were convictions in the state cases. Are they expressing any particular concerns about the Fulton County district attorneys cases and possible upcoming indictments, unlike worries they say have about other cases, the other three . Reporter they arent isolating it. They are actually doing what weve seen them do in other cases. Weve seen the former president go after the prosecutor, fani willis, in this case, making this a political prosecution in his mind. And that is the frame that he and his team are going to continue to push against each one, alvin brag in new york, jack smith in washington. They want to make this seen as political as possible, because on the facts and the law thats going to take care of itself in the justice system. So their political strategy is to discredit that and go after the prosecutors as on a bit of a political bent. David chalian there in iowa, thank you so much. Well check back with you. Appreciate it. Still to come, amid the heartbreaking loss of life from hawaiis wildfires, were also hearing from residents struggling to see whats left of their homes. A live report from maui next. My cpa told me i wouldnt qualify for the erc tax refund, so i called innovation refunds. 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