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CNNW CNN July 4, 2024

Im rahel solomon. And i am amara walker. Thank you for spending a part of your morning us with. Hopefully, you are able to wake up slowly and get that coffee brewing, or that tea. Heres what we are watching for you. This is the largest Natural Disaster we ever experienced. Its going to also be the Natural Disaster thats going to take an incredible amount of time to recover from. The death toll from the maui wildfires just to 93, making it the deadliest wildfire in the past century. We are live in maui as federal help pours in. We are also hearing from respiratory frustrated with the governments response. Fulton county, georgia, District Attorney investigating former President Donald Trump and his attempts to interfere in georgias linebackers, expect today present her case to a grand jury this week. Republican president ial candidates swarmed the Iowa State Fair to convince voters they are the best choice for president. How they are trying to stand out in a crowded field that is dominated by trump. I am back in the mode, back a mart of my team. And also back in action. Buffalo bills safety damar hamlin stepping back on the field seven months after collapsing midgame from sudden Cardiac Arrest. Thats ahead on cnn this morning. And we will get to the latest in hawaii in a moment. We want to begin with politics and the trump investigations. Marriage he new developments suggest that the former president and current president ial candidate could be hit with a fourth title this week. The District Attorney in Fulton County, georgia, is expected to make her case before a grand jury this week. The georgia case stems from trumps effort to overturn president joe bidens victory in the state. Marshall cohen has more. Reporter good morning. It looks like all systems are go for the Fulton County District Attorney to present her case to a grand jury early this week, possibly as soon as tomorrow, in the investigation of former President Donald Trump and his attempts to overturn the 2020 election in georgia. Cnn previously reported that this was expected in the coming days. We now know that some of the key witnesses subpoenaed to testify were told specifically to show up on tuesday and the grand jury meets on mondays and tuesdays. One of those witnesses is an independent journalist named george chidi. In 2020, he actually witnessed some of the fake protrump electors meeting in the statehouse in atlanta. Another key figure who heads to the grand jury this tuesday is former georgia Lieutenant Governor geoff duncan. Here is what he told Fredricka Whitfield yesterday. I received notification to appear Tuesday Morning at the Fulton County grand jury. I will be there to do my part in recounting the facts. I have no expectations to the questions and i will answer kpafr questions in front of me and dont want to jeopardize or compromise the investigation. This is a story important for republicans to hear, americans to hear. Lets hear The Truth And Nothing But the truth. Duncan, now a cnn contributor, is a republican and he was in office when trump tried to pressure State Officials to nip the results and overturn the will of the georgia voters. Fulton county District Attorney fani willis, an elected democrat, launched the criminal probe in 2021. The investigation has steadily expanded over the years and fani willis is now scrut guysing trumps attempts to interfere with the Vote Counting and election certification, the fake elector scheme and breaches of an election system. State prosecutors are expected to give that one or twoday presentation to the grand jury this week, presumably starting tomorrow. Cnn has previously reported that prosecutors are Eying Racketeering and conspiracy charges known as rico. And fani willis is expected to pursue indictments against perhaps more than a dozen attempts, trumps allies in the state of georgia. The former president has already been indicted on federal charges stemming from his attempts to subvert the 100 election and disenfranchise voters. He pled not guilty in that federal case and he argued that the atlanta probe is just another witch hunt. Amara and rahel. Thank you. Now some perspective on the georgia case. Joining us is cnn legal analyst joey jackson. Good morning. Always good to see you. So lets start with the fact that we have heard from witnesses, including georgias form toer Lieutenant Governor. By all counts it appears an indictment is imminent. How does this case differ from the others . Yeah, rahel, good morning to you. So just, you know barksking up, obviously, this is the fourth indictment of the president and, you know, the other indictments are somewhat different. You have the New York County indictment. Thats in manhattan. Certainly, that department with the hush money payments. We know that. Of course, then we have the special counsel jack smith and one of those indictments that mr. Smith proffered against the president dealt with the whole issue of these classified documents. So we know thats different. Then there is one that may be somewhat mirroring but different from this one, and we toe that that relates to election enter feerngs, a federal indictment. In all, its important to understand although there are two federal indictments and one State Indictment in manhattan, this would be the second indictment, a lot of moving parts here, states have a role, too. In the event, for example, that this happened, right, that there was Election Interference by the president in georgia, georgia has an independent obligation as one of 50 states in this country to do its Due Diligence to convene a grand jury and pursue justice. No withstanding the fact there may be commonalities to the indictment of jack smith in the Election Interference, georgia in particular having been interfered with, allegedly, has a role and thats exactly what this grand jury is doing. Take a listen to what else geoff duncan said about why this case is different. I think the interesting part to this indictment is different than the others because there is going to be 12 plus coconspirators and these folks dont have the same level of loyalty they had to donald trump when he was trying to change the election outcome in 2020. It will be interesting to see which way they go. These are serious charges being signaled. Racketeering, conspiracy, rico, garnered for the mafia or the mob. So, joey, it sounds like a sprawling investigation. If in fact fani willis pursues racketeering and conspiracy, i mean, what type of standard has to be met to get an indictment on those types of charges . So what happens is when you look at the issue of rook tearing, racketeering involving a criminal enterprise. As part of that criminal enterprise, as the former Lieutenant Governor indicated, it involves a number of people who were engaged in activities that would meet that criminal standard, right, in the event that they do it, a grand jury will indict. Lets explain that. When you have racketeering charges they are pattern acts at least at a minimum. One could relate to the tampering of witnesses to subvert the election process. Another has been stated publicly and well see, right, ultimately these are secretive proceedings, the Voting System and whether or not there were individuals who accessed Fulton Countys Voter Machines in order to unearth some data and information. So those would be the Predicate Agents for the racketeering issue. Then we know the conspiracy involves an agreement between two or more people to engage in criminality. So it looks like that will be at least what we know for now. Again, these are secretive. Its very important to know that. A grand jury, it doesnt meet in public. They are 23, at least 23 members, 16 constitutes a quorum, and its important to note also that a simple majority, right, 12 would have to vote to issue an indictment. And they are not seeking to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. They are trying to determine whether there is probable cause to believe that a crime was committed and the subject before the grand jury committed those crimes. In addition to racketeering, right, and conspiracy, we will see what else the District Attorney puts before that grand jury and what witnesses, factually bear out in terms of crimes that can be charged in the state of georgia. Different standards, as you point out, to win an indictment versus a conviction. Lets play make believe. You are a defense attorney. Say you are representing clients facing these types of potential charges. Where do you begin . Whats theeg so, you know, its early, rahel. I say that because what ends up happening is that the prosecutor has to go in, present the cases before the grand jury. We have information that there was a Special Grand Jury convened previously, right, just to clarify that. And that met for about seven or eight months. That Special Grand Jury in georgia, hearing from about 75 witnesses and those 75 witnesses, you know, giving information and there was a recommendation as to charges. This grand jury will actually present them. Why do i go through all that . At this point, unless you know what the discovery is, the information is, the process, once a grand jury indicts, thereafter the defendant brought before the court. You enter a plea of not guilty. Your attorneys would ask for discovery. Thats information. What did the witnesses say . What specifically are the charges . What are you saying that i did that relates to criminality, and thats when the defenses come about. If you are alleging its racketeering, obviously, they are going to say, and we heard a lot of this, people have constitutional right to convene, supporting who they choose, a constitutional right to say things and engage in political speech. We heard a lot about that. And that what they did did constitute any crime, but certainly was a measure that they have as people in this country to exercise their freedom. Thats what we will hear. Whether that carries the day is a separate question. A very separate question. That said, we will be watching Fulton County this week. Joey jackson, great to have your insights this morning. Thank you. An update from maui. The lahaina fire is now the deadliest fire in the u. S. In over 100 years. The death toll rising sharply once again overnight. It now stands at 93. And hawaiis governor is warning that that number will continue to rise as crews make their way through some of the hardest hit areas and comb through the debris and whats left of homes and buildings and cars. The scale of the damage is so fast, so far only 3 of the fire zone has been searched with cadaver dogs. The governor is estimating the cost of the damage could totally nearly 6 billion and take years to rebuild. This is the largest Natural Disaster we have ever experienced. Its going to also be a Natural Disaster thats going to take an incredible amount of time to recover from. In the next few days, adds we characterize how many people we lost and how many people are coming into the community, we come at this like an ohana, because it will be in the short term heartbreaking, in the long term people need Mental Health services. In the very long term, we will rebuild together. For survivors hoping to check out their homes and how they you are fared in the fire, their frustration is mounting. This video shows the long, long line of cars trying to get back into lahaina. That main highway into the Historic Town has been opened and then closed repeatedly. Most times with little to no warning. Cnns Gloria Pazmino is in maui for us this morning. Gloria, i imagine emotions are running high, especially after the trauma during the fires, the aftermath, the uncertainty, and now long lines. People are trying to figure out, you know, what happened with their homes, their neighbors. What are you hearing and seeing this morning . Reporter well, listen, it has been six days since the fires started burning in lahaina. That is the town that has been absolutely devastated by the fire. And it is still extremely difficult to get into the area. You are speaking about the long lines of cars that were lined up here, exactly where we are standing, yesterday. Now, you could see where i am now. This is very empty right now. It is desperate. This is highway 30 and its one way in and one way out of lahaina. Now, people were lining up for hours trying to get back in. They want to go home to see what is left of it. They want it assess the damage. They want to rekktconnect with families and loved ones and they have not been able to do that. That is creating frustration and anger. Now, this road, the reason why its empty now, it is a checkpoint. It shuts down at 10 00 at night. Its after midnight here in maui. We are told that the road will be officially used for government and convey vehicles. In fact, just a couple of minutes ago we watched as a convoy of Power Utility vehicles drove out of lahaina headed out of the town. So that is what we are expecting to see in this area tonight. But i want you to listen from the residents who were waiting here for hours yesterday only to be told that they needed to go in a different correction. They told us that three miles back, couldnt have been a bullhorn or on the radio, just pathetic. The route they are trying to make us take is a dangerous route. Even on a good day. Trying to do the most we can. Its frustrating. Reporter now, we are expecting to see a lot of heavy traffic today in terms of the convoy, but we are also expecting traffic will build up on the northern part of the island. That is where people are being rerouted to. So if you are watching, if you are listening, if you have family and loved ones trying to reach the area, its a lot to ask for, but officials are urging patience. We understand that it is a lot for people to do that right now. They are anxious to get back. But officials are also trying to get very needed supplies and Emergency Vehicles into the area. As you mentioned at the beginning, Search And Rescue very much still ongoing. Only 3 of the area has been found. Only two people have been positively identified, and officials are asking Family Members to come forward, provide dna samples in an effort to identify victims. We are still expecting that death toll to increase over the next several hours. Of course. Only 3 of that area having been searched with cadaver dogs. Obviously, that just proper te portends more tragic news ahead. Thank you. Republican president ial hopefuls, they were shaking hands, riding bumper cars, of course, having lots of fried food and talking politics at the Iowa State Fair this weekend. How they are pitching themselves to voters and what they are saying about former President Trump and his mounting legal troubles. Plus, a remarkable return for Buffalo Bills safety damar hamlin. Backs on the field for the First Time Since suffering Cardiac Arrest in january. Coy wire with the highlights. If you are looking to get away before the end of the summer, now might be the tame. 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