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Meeting. In atlanta jurors Hearing Evidence against former President Donald Trump and others in a case about Election Interference. A possible fourth indictment looming against trump, and it could be the most complex yet, even ensnaring several others in his inner circle. Pointing the finger, a new lawsuit blames the Power Company for those catastrophic wildfires on maui. But officials have not yet said what caused them. The humanitarian crisis is growing along with the death toll. The fire is now the deadliest in more than a century. Survivors coping with losing their homes, loved ones, the threat of homelessness as well. And an act of piracy. That is what ukraine is calling russias boarding of a cargo ship in the black sea. The latest fight over shipping in this critical area since a key grain deal collapsed last month. We are following these major developing stories and many more, all coming in right here to Cnn News Central. Today another grand jury is meeting, hearing another set of evidence that could lead to another indictment of donald trump. This one in downtown atlanta. A vote on whether to indict could come as soon as tomorrow on charges tied to trumps efforts to overturn joe bidens 2020 win in the peach state. Fulton County District attorney fani willis is presenting her case today and cnn thats exclusively learned it includes some bombshell evidence. Text messages and emails that directly connect trumps legal team to a Voting System breach after the election. All of this as trump levels fresh criticisms at the d. A. And a key witness. Lets take you now live outside the courthouse in Fulton County with cnns sara murray. Sara, we are in the home stretch of this long, long investigation. Bring us up to speed on what we can expect, especially about that new evidence. Reporter yeah, thats right. We are really at the culmination of 2 1 2 years of Criminal Investigation by fulton County District attorney fani willis, and we know there are witnesses who have already gone before this grand jury today that is hearing the case against former dont donald trump and his allies and their efforts to overturn the 2020 election. We saw a former state democratic senator, jen jordan. She just departed the courthouse. We previously confirmed that she was here to testify in this trump case. We also got a statement from former Democratic State representative bee nguyen who confirmed she too was here to testify in the trump case. Both of these women were witnesses to these conspiracyladen presentations that Rudy Giuliani and other members of trumps postelection legal team gave before Georgia State lawmakers in december of 2020. Again, were waiting to see when these indictments could potentially come down. This could take up to two days for her to present her case and shes expected to see charges against more than a dozen individuals, boris. Sara, that Voting System breach, that was in Coffee County, right . An area that donald trump won by about 70 . So why was there an effort to even breach that Voting System . Reporter well, yeah, weve been learning more information about this Voting Systems breach that is just one of the prongs of this investigation, and weve learned that investigators here have Text Messages and emails about the breach that lead to trumps team. They have long suspected that this was more of a topdown push rather than Grassroots Efforts by trump backers to try to help. And it seemed to be an effort essentially to try to explore these Voting Systems. You know, we learned about this Written Invitation that came from misty hampton, who was an election official, and was shared with other lawyers who were working with donald trump on his postelection efforts, people like catherine frees. We of course know Sidney Powell was part of that mix who was working with donald trump postelection. I want to read a couple of these texts that came through a firm that was hired to examine the voting machines. In one of the texts it says just landed back in d. C. With the mayor, an apparent reference to former new york mayor Rudy Giuliani. Huge things starting to come together. The texts continue, most immediately, we were just granted access by Written Invitation to Coffee Countys systems. Yay. These messages were sent in january 2021, right around the time the breach occurred. And again, giulianis attorney has insisted he had nothing to do with this. Well see what the grand jury has to say. Sara murray live outside that courthouse in atlanta for us. Jim . With a possible grand jury vote on a Trump Indictment as soon as tomorrow in georgia, the former president on the public attack again, going after key players and witnesses in the 2020 Election Interference case. Cnns elena tureen joins me now. This is after by the way he received a warning from the judge not to do things that might be perceived as witness intimidation. And yet we have a truth social posting today. Exactly. Donald trump is reverting to the playbook weve now seen these three times with the previous indictments that he is facing. Hes trying to get ahead of this potential indictment in georgia and frame it in his own terms. And so i think one of the most concerning things people pointed out today about his truth social post is that he attacked directly one of the key witnesses in this georgia case and said, quote, he shouldnt testify. That post reads, i am reading reports that failed former Lieutenant Governor of georgia geoff duncan, noting that he spelled geoffs name there, will be testifying before the Fulton County grand jury. He shouldnt. I barely know him but he was right from the beginning of this witch hunt a nasty disaster for those looking into the Election Fraud case that took place in georgia. He also went on to call him a, quote, loser. I think the key thing here, jim, is its unclear how a judge, if there are charges brought in this case, would try to talk about his social media activity. We know as you just mentioned that in a separate case, the federal case of Donald Trumps efforts to overturn the 2020 election result shes trying to impose restrictions on his social media activity. Ive also spoken with many of Donald Trumps advisers over the weekend and they tell me that they dont expect him to stop posting on social media. They think that its his First Amendment right to do so and that also its his most direct way of communicating with voters and that he has the right to defend himself. But the key thing here, is this witness intimidation. Will the judge ultimately decide that he cant be issuing these kinds of posts . Has there been any reaction from the court yet or no . In this case its hard to the indictment hasnt been brought. So i think we have to wait and see how the judge in this case, if there is not a diemt, how she would react to these kinds of these posts. Understood. Well see how soon that comes. Thanks so much. Boris. Were now joined by that key witness set to testify tomorrow, Former Georgia Lieutenant Governor and cnn political commentator geoff duncan. Were also joined by former federal prosecutor renato mariotti. Gentlemen, thank you so much for being with us. Geoff, i want to start with you and get your reaction to that social media post by donald trump. Hes insulting you and calling you out. Do you believe hes trying to intimidate you as a witness . Well, this close into my testimony, which is going to be tomorrow, im going to refrain from any comment with the exception of saying, which was just pointed out, he did misspell my name. And how about what you are anticipating youll be asked about tomorrow . If you wont comment on what trump said, can you at least give us an idea of what youre anticipating . Well, im just going to answer the questions as presented to me much like i did in the Special Grand Jury, whatever the questions are to the best of my ability, im going to answer the questions. And you know, this is an important part of the Healing Process for the republican party. This is painful. This may feel ugly to some. But this is part of this process, right . Weve got to put these facts and figures and details and reality on display for america, specifically for republicans to see what reality really is. The social media game that donald trump has played over the years, its shallow, right . You dont have to be any more than a few hundred characters worth of information with no facts behind it, with no details to stir the crowd. And thats certainly been his game for a number of years. And it looks like its continuing. Notable that you are not the only person he has gone after on social media. Hes also targeted a number of other officials involved in these investigations. Renato, to you. How do you read that situation . Is that appropriate . And if you were prosecuting this case, how would you respond to Something Like that . Very interesting. Its a bizarre situation. And its complicated because of course trumps running for president and hes got First Amendment rights and he can go after some of those people, not like mike pebs and so on. He certainly has a right to criticize the judge, for example. Although its unwise to do so. I actually think what the government should do, jack smith in the d. C. Case, and which is what i think they are doing, is using it, putting it in front of the judge, making sure every time he does this, every time he goes across the line, every time he does something inappropriate or wrong regarding his communications to put it in front of the judge and inspire her to move that trial forward quickly, to inspire her not to cut him additional breaks. And in fact, shes actually mentioned that she may do so, that hes tainting the jury pool and that may inspire her to move this earlier to avoid any additional tampering. So i really think thats one of the consequences for him. I will say in georgia it sure doesnt look like its helping matters there. You know, realistically, obviously the Lieutenant Governor has just said hes not deterred from giving his testimony. It doesnt seem to me that the District Attorney is deterred. Usually, throwing tomatoes at witnesses and prosecutors and the judge in cases youre in front of is a really bad idea for a criminal defendant. I cant imagine that his attorneys are encouraging him to do this. But the former president doesnt seem to listen to his attorneys or perhaps anyone else. Geoff, over to you. I want to get your perspective on this key evidence that cnn is reporting on, that there are Text Messages linking the trump team to this Voting Systems breach in Coffee County. Im wondering if anyone from team trump reached out to you or people that you know of to try to get access after the 2020 election to other Voting Systems in georgia. Well, once again im going to refrain from answering any of those detailed questions just based on the nature of my testimony tomorrow, or potential testimony. But look, from a broader narrative here what were going to see put on display is just a plethora of Conspiracy Theories that really originated in solutions in search of a problem. Hey, lets do this and then try to go find a scenario something in good good, whether it be State Farm Arena or Coffee County or Brad Raffenspergers office or dominion machines. I mean, the list is endless. And you know, look, america is begging for new leadership right now. Begging. Both sides of the aisle. A majority of democrats dont want to see Joe Biden Run again. A majority of republicans dont want to see donald trump run again. But this primary process has got it shortcircuited just feeling like victims of gravity. This is a painful part of the process for republicans. I do believe when this finally gets behind us we will be a better party for it and a better country for it. Geoff, a very disciplined witness in this grand jury process obviously. Renato, over to you. You heard from geoff talking about the overarching narrative of what voters are looking for. In this process does it seem to you that something could be discovered like these Text Messages that might sway voters to think differently . Is there enough evidence there not only to succeed in a co courtroom but in the court of Public Opinion . Well, you know, Public Opinion can be a challenge to move, right . And i think as the Lieutenant Governor just mentioned sometimes even where theres no facts, right . Where trump is just, you know, tweeting things out or in this case truthing it out theres no facts. Its often contrary to the facts. And sometimes it takes time for those facts to reach the public. What i will say regarding all of this is from a legal perspective some of these facts, and you alluded to a moment ago this exclusive cnn reporting about the Text Messages related to the breach. That would have a devastating impact in front of a jury if there was a concerted effort by trump and his associates to try to breach a Voting System. Thats the sort of thing that you cant explain away. I think everyone understands that thats a crime. A typical juror whos called to engage in jury service is going to get that. And it could have an impact in other cases like the Jack Smith January 6th Case as well. Renato mariotti, geoff duncan, thank you both for the time. Appreciate your expertise. Thanks. Jim . Lets take a closer look at some of the key players in this case, beginning with fulton County District attorney fani willis here as well as the other players surrounding trump at the time. Fani willis, she launched this probe back in february 2021, of course not long after january 6th. This followed trumps find votes call to Brad Raffensperger where trump asked him to find, thats his own words, enough votes, just enough to overturn bidens victory. Trump tried to get her removed from the case, citing a conflict of interest, arguing that she is pursuing the case for political reasons. That effort was rejected. All right. Presiding over the case is Fulton County judge robert mcburney. He was assigned to the case. He ordered portions of the Special Grand Jury report to be released to the public, and he has defended the d. A. s professionalism. He did block willis from building a case against one particular potential target, former State Senator and current Lieutenant Governor burt jones, one of the alleged fake electors in the case, on the grounds that she had hosted a fundraiser for his political opponent. Lets look at another key case mention in the previous conversation. Georgia secretary of state Brad Raffensperger. He was the one trump asked to find those votes, just enough, by one vote extra, to overturn the state. Have a listen. This is key. So look, all i want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have, because we won the state. One more vote than necessary to overturn the results. Regardless of the president s demand, the former president s demand, raffensperger certified bidens win in the state of georgia, recertified the results after trumps team requested a recount that didnt change the results. He also testified before the Special Grand Jury last year. Also key, Rudy Giuliani. Remember him . Former mayor of new york. Also former personal attorney for donald trump. He oversaw trumps postelection strategy including pursuing many of the false claims of fraud. He led efforts to challenge votecounting efforts in a number of states, not just georgia, and he presented those Bogus Fraud Claims to lawmakers, state officials, et cetera. Hes very much at the center of this as well. Also involved is Former Georgia gop chair david shafer. He played a key role in the fake electors scheme. He told the House Select Committee that trump himself directed that scheme, also testified before that grand jury now considering these charges against trump, potential charges. Finally, those fake electors weve been talking about, these are folks, 16 gop activists who attempted to subvert the electoral college, in effect the

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