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CNNW CNN July 4, 2024

Were live in atlanta where an indictment against former President Trump and others could come at any time. Plus in hawaii, a new lawsuit blaming the Power Company for those catastrophic wildfires on maui, but officials have not said what caused them. The humanitarian crisis now growing along with the death toll. The fire now the deadliest in the United States in over 100 years. Tense moments in the black sea as russia fires warning shots at a cargo ship, then sends armed soldiers aboard. Were following those developing stories and more coming in to cnn news central. A fourth donald Trump Indictment could be on the way, and even as soon as today as the grand jury in the trump election subversion case in georgia is rapidly approaching the finish line. Today jurors are hearing from witnesses as Fulton County District Attorney fani willis presents her case. Things appear to be moving faster than expected. Two witnesses set to testify tomorrow got bumped up to today. Trump has tried to counter the grand jury activity with a flurry of social media posts smearing key prayers including witnesses in that case. Cnns sara murray and elena dreen are tracking this. Sara, a couple of witnesses we thought were going to show up tomorrow, theyre there today. What do we know . Reporter this grand jury is having a very busy day and apparently moving very swiftly. Fulton County District attorney fani willis has begun presenting her case against former President Donald Trump and his allies. We know she intends to seek charges against more than a dozen individuals. Weve already seen a couple of these witnesses come in and out today. We saw former Democratic State senator jen jordan going in to testify. We heard from former state representative bee nguyen who said in a statement she testified before the grand jury today. Both of them were witnesses to these Conspiracy Ladened statements. There were two witnesses we expected to see tomorrow, independent journalist george chidi and geoff duncan. We learned both of them have been told to come in and testify today. Its clear the grand jury is moving at a faster clip than what the District Attorneys office originally anticipated. Question. Do we know when the grand jury is scheduled to wrap up today . Does that give us any indication as to when they might finish up their work for good . Reporter we dont have a clear deadline for when they may wrap up today. Normally the courthouse behind me closes at 5 00 p. M. When this grand jury is hearing the normal array of cases, its not unusual for them to be done by 1 00 or 2 00 in the afternoon. It does not seem like thats whats likely to happen today. It seems like theyre going to be here at least for a couple more hours. Were waiting for any indications that things are winding down. Again, were expecting two more witnesses. Sara, thanks so much. Elena, as the jury portion of this nears its conclusion, trump has been attacking it on social media but also it seems applying pressure to witnesses in the case. Reporter he is. Hes use the sale as the past indictments, trying to get ahead of a possible indictment in georgia and message it on his own terms. One of the most concerning things we saw from donald trump today on social media was go after a key witness in this case, former Lieutenant Governor geoff duncan he, quote, shouldnt speak to the grand jury that. Post reads, quote, donald trump said, im reading, reports that failed former luiieutenant governor of Georgia Geoff Duncan will be testifying. He shouldnt. His post went on to say that duncan was a loser. Of course, i want to point out he spelled Geoff Duncans name wrong in that paste. The thing here, jim, its unclear what will happen from these posts. We dont know if hes going to be indicted or if a judge in the case is going to try to put restrictions on what donald trump can say on social media. Of course, in a separate case, in the federal case regarding his efforts to overturn the 2020 election, the judge has begun to set restrictions on what he can do on social media. I know from my conversations with Donald Trumps team, hes not planning to cease posting. He sees truth social and social media as his way to communicate directly with voters, particularly his base and defend himself. They think its his First Amendment right. This or any other case, judges often rule that they dont want them to pollute the jury pool, one, they also dont want to intimidate witnesses. We also will note geoff duncan is a republican. Boris. Lets break down only of the key details in this case. The infamous call that then President Trump made listen. So, look, all i want to do is this. I want to find 11,780 votes, which is overturn bidens 2020 win. This involves potential violations of state law. Lets break it down. Charges that could include Election Fraud, Making False Statements to state and local officials and even racketeering which willis previously used to prosecute gangs and even Public School officials who oversaw a cheating scheme. Here are some of the key players in all of this. Of course, d. A. Fani willis, the judge overseeing the grand jury, robert mcbernie. Hes defended willis, but then blocked her from pursuing meantime you have Secretary Of State Fred Raffensperger who is on that call. The infamous find the votes call. He rejected Donald Trumps efforts and certified the results in the peach state not once, but twice. Then theres rudy giuliani. Hes accused of presenting bogus claims of Election Fraud to state officials. You also have former Georgia Republican chair david schaffer. 16 Fake Electors in all which tried to overturn bidens legit electoral votes and give them to donald trump. 16 of them in total. Many of them now kword rating with the District Attorneys investigation. Lets dig deeper in all of this and bring in Georgia State University Law professor Clark Cunningham and republican strategist doug heye. Clark, i want to start with you. What do you make of the pace of whats happening in the courthouse in Fulton County right now . Earlier we spoke to former Lieutenant Governor geoff duncan who was set to testify tomorrow. Turns out hes testifying today. What do you make of that . District attorney Fani Willis Kind of set herself a deadline some time ago that if the former president was going to be brought into the courthouse for arraignment, it would happen by this friday, the 18th. Shes asked the other judges in the courthouse to keep people out of the courthouse, did not hold hearings, through the end of this week. If she doesnt indict in time to ar rain the former president by the end of friday, theres going to be a problem with all the Security Arrangements that have been made because they havent been made past this friday. My guess is shes working to get the former president into the courthouse, my guess is by thursday. Of course, it would have to be coordinated with secret service. Were expecting shes aiming to get the indictments out by the end of today so she can get the former president here by thursday. Thats my guess. Doug, weve seen donald trump go after people like geoff duncan and the judge overseeing the Special Counsel case over his efforts to overturn the 2020 election here in the nations capital. How does that work as a political strategy . It doesnt seem to be hurting donald trump in the polls. This indictment looks potentially to be very different. With the previous indictments, weve seen a rallying around trump and a big fundraraising boost. People who voted for donald trump in 2016, but joe biden in 2020, a very real difference here, boris. Thats that this is georgia. Jim alluded to this earlier, about the people hes attacking are republicans. As weve seen in previous elections, whether theyre Senate Elections or president ial, Donald Trumps behavior in the state of georgia hurts him politically in the state of georgia and in a way that can really determine who wins in 2024 or not if donald trump is the nominee. We know he lost the state. We know he lost the state last time and he cost Republicans Two Senate seats which is one of the reasons that a lot of republicans would prefer to see donald trump go away one way or another. This further exacerbates that. If youre a Georgia Republican and donald trump is not just attacking you but your colleagues who won primary ess in the republican party, this is not good politics. We saw how his argument for the 2020 election became a central focus, not just in the last midterm but the Special Election in georgia. Clark, to you. Geoff duncan, a cnn contributor was on a couple hours ago with us. I asked if he felt intimidated by the former president insulting him on social media saying he shouldnt testify before the grand jury. He was a very disciplined witness and would not share his perspective. But from a legal standpoint, does a witness need to feel intimidated for it to be Witness Intimidation . No, no. It could be attempted intimidation. Its possible that the former president got himself a couple extra criminal charges against himself today. They may be revising the draft indictment to add a count really two counts. One count of Witness Intimidation and then attempted Witness Intimidation becomes another basis for that Big Racketeering Charge that carries a minimum five years in prison. It was an extremely unwise thing for the former president to do, to write something which so clearly it says he should not testify in front of the grand jury. Thats pretty clear. Its also detached from the reality of the situation in georgia in terms of what the former Lieutenant Governor was trying to do after the 2020 election and get the truth out there to the people of georgia and to the country. Doug, i wanted to go back to a point you made about this hurting donald trump in georgia. Obviously the backdrop of this is the 2024 president ial campaign, and hes leading pretty broadly across the map, in iowa, new hampshire, et cetera. How do you think this plays out when it comes to his effort to take the republican ticket in 2024 . It shouldnt hurt him. It shouldnt hurt him for two reasons. One, ultimately and bizarrely this reenforces Donald Trumps message. Hes said all along the system is rigged, rigged against me and rigged against you. This becomes evidence to his base. His opponents by and large seem hesitant to attack donald trump on the things that any other candidate would do in any other race for any other office. In your opponent is indicted, whether its one time or multiple times, you go after them. Donald trump, by and large, has been free from that process which makes the debate coming up more interesting. Also this hurts him not just in georgia, but we learned from georgia how it can hurt him in other states. Donald trump argued over and over again that the process is rigged, the elections are rigged, and enough Republican Voters believed donald trump, they didnt fill in mailin ballots, didnt vote, didnt vote in the runoff, in the senate races, thats not going to affect georgia, that can affect my home state of north carolina, arizona. Fascinating point. Doug heye, Clark Cunningham, we have to leave the conversation there. Appreciate you joining us. Thank you. Glad to be with you. 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They decided were going to keep it here, this particular neighborhood. Most of it survived as a result. Let me show you the contrast right here. This is the home of archie kalepa. Hes legendary surfer, lifeguard, a Hall Of Famer in maui. Ninth generation Familhe Lahaina area. You can see what the spirit of ohana means, as everybody from maui and islands begin Flooding Donations here. They set up a command post, improvised First Responders here, all volunteers, all people from the community. Theyve created several of these pods around the burned area of the fire zone. You can see all the diapers and critical supplies, the water and food, people just coming in here and its sort of a selforganizing system. Archie has great Leadership Experience as a lifeguard extrao extraordinaire. Its all coming into play right now. People trust him. He does say the state and federal response is getting a bad rap. Let me ask you about the Immediate Response right now. Theres a perception as weve been outside the perimeter that theres no federal or real official state response, and most of the work on the front lines is being done by people like you, grassroots, just improvised First Responders. Is that fair . Whats really happening. What do

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