They name. But certainly the former president s team has spent the day bracing for bad news. They appear to believe that this could potentially reference him. That his name could be one of those on those ten indictments that were returned. Theyve issues taken just a few moments ago. Lashing out at the District Attorney, fani willis here. Something that we have seen the former president doing repeatedly on social media in recent days. They are actually accusing them of Election Interference. Which we should note is, of course, ironic given that what the heart of the indictments potentially. Lets go back to cnn sarah murphy who has been outside the courthouse in atlanta all day. Sarah, obviously we are waiting to see when we are going to potentially hear from baku District Attorney, fani willis, that trump has been attacking here. Whats the latest that you have heard . , thats right, i mean, she is still expected to make remarks to the press this evening. But obviously they want to get these indictments fully processed, fully stamp. They want them to go through the Clerks Office before she is making public remarks. We are told that that could take anywhere from 1 to 3 hours. From when the clerk actually got these documents from the presiding judge, roberts mcburney, which was around nine pm. So we are sort of waiting to see how long this takes before we see her comments. And as you pointed, out we know that there were ten indictments returned from this grand jury today. We know the grand jury sent spent much of the day hearing the trump Election Interference case. The one thing that we dont know is if this grand jury heard any other regular cases before they started hearing the trump Election Interference case today. So that is the one caveat. When we see this grand jury hand up ten indictments today, we are still waiting to see what is included in those indictments, who is named in those indictments, if there could be potentially indictments in that stack. Thats got handed to the court today. I dont have to do with the trump case, and there may have, been you know, a couple of the other regular sort of Murder Assault and battery, irregular taco stuff this grand jury has been hearing. We are waiting to see all of that, and here all of that from the clerk. And then at some point this, evening from the Voting County just returnee. Sarah, i reference that Trump Campaign there, but i know you and ive got an, asking we havent heard anything, i mean, i havent at least. I dont know if you have, either on whether or not trump himself has been notified of any potential deterrents . Yeah, that is one thing that we havent heard. We havent gotten any indication that trump has officially received any kind of notification that he has been indicted. Obviously, he is the center of this investigation. He is the biggest Target Voting country journey fully willis was looking at. You know, we talk about the potential Racketeering Charges, that sort of rests on the notion that donald trump is up ahead of this enterprise, that essentially is trying to overturn the 2020 election. But we have seen in some of these other indictments that trump team has been notified. Potentially as soon as the grand jury has handed up indictments. And we dont have, again, any indication from trumps team at this point that the former president has been formally notified in this case. Sarah, murphy outside the courtroom for us, thank you. Anderson . Caitlin back with us, van jones, elie honig, michael more, joining us this. Our cnn poll commentator david, even he is a former Trump Campaign advisor, david, you are just joining us, your thoughts as we wait for the indictment . Yeah, anderson, obviously very serious. Weve had ten different counts coming down, it will be interesting to see whos listed here whos not listed here. But, you know, i obviously just caution everyone to exhale, lets see what is in here. And remember, those images that we just saw this weekend, over the weekend from that iowa state fair, all those folks there who are with trump and kind of campaigning with trump and watching trump and cheering him on, they all knew this was coming at it had no impact on them. And i think that tomorrow the folks in iowa will have no impact us on as well. So i know there is a lot of probably a lot of glee on the other side of the aisle that this is going to be the demise of trump, but i think, you know, lots of folks have seen this play before, and they know how it turns out. So i think standby to standby. All, right alyssa, if past is prologue, certainly it wont have an impact or it will just be used for more fundraising or maybe even produce a boost in the polls. Do you believe that overtime as this sort of, i mean, there is a long time between now and the actual president ial race. Do you believe this could change . We are in the reality of august of 2023, the lead candidates behind donald trump and the republican field just have not taken advantage of the multiple indictments, enough for that we have in front of him. So i dont disagree with david orban, if those who are, you know, the iran desantis, is that nikki haley, start tim scotts, if they continue to actually defend him when indictments come down, i dont think you are gonna see his approvals with the Republican Base change. At the end of the day, voters are hardworking people who are focusing on putting food on the tables, paying their bills. When they are elected the leaders that they believe in saying, hey, something wrong is happening to donald trump. They are gonna believe it. That is why we are seeing this. We have just seen such a level of, either dishonesty or running cover by many elected republicans. And not calling donald trump out on what he has done. So i would echo what Adam Kinzinger said, if at this point you are not going to criticize donald trump and you are running against him a primary, and get out and endorse him . Congressman, kinzinger, many of, we dont have adam anymore, all right. I would like to, go ahead. To me, there is something deeper happening, which is that maybe some of these cowardly little candidates are going to Say Something, maybe they wont Say Something. If they pick up the midsmushed down. That is kind of small. There is something deeper going on, which is that you have the country, half the country is slowly coming to the conclusion that our Justice System is just corrupt. Well thats not good. I think we need to be very clear, no matter who gets the nomination in the Republican Party, or who doesnt, or who says something, who score something out of a trail. Where this indictment, that indictment. The idea that we now are living in a country where apparently half or a third of americans are willing to just say, well, we just believe that all of those grand jurors and all of those prosecutors, and all the people in the Department Of Justice and all of these people who we used to rely on, believe in, have confidence, in our just for some reason have all become zombies. And they all just hate donald trump. They are willing to destroy the constitution and whatever to get one man. That is very very dangerous. So i think its a bigger, its incumbent on a bigger slice of america and even just these little cowardly candidates. Just Start Talking about the beauty of our institutions. This is a beautiful system that we have. People around the world dont have this. We are even donald trump, who is an obvious kirk and con man still gets his day in court, he still gets lawyers, he still gets the chance to precipitate. But regular ordinary people can say, this is the law, and it has to be followed. If we cannot defend our basic system, i think we are in trouble . Anderson, if i could. Anderson. Go ahead, alyssa. There is precedent in georgia for having had cameras in courtrooms for trials similar to this, which i know that we are expecting the federal cases. So i do think that that could have a noticeable impact on the publics perception. If they actually are able to see this case, assuming the indictment comes down, see it play, outside the facts, to see exactly what this actual conspiracy would look like and this effort to steal the election would look like. I do think that that could change some hearts and minds. David . Yeah, so anderson, i agree with van, i think van makes a very valid point. It is troubling that half of america can have see this as just and righteous and the other half sees this isnt just an undue righteous. And there is a big problem with our system of justice today and faith in our systems that American People dont have faith with. Whether you on the democrat side republican side, whether people dont believe theres equal application of the law, whether you are republican or democrat now. And that is really eating away at the underpinnings of our society if we cannot have faith in. It and i think that that is the reason why when this these indictments go out on the former president , trump. That so many republicans just see it as white noise. And agree with van, it is problem some to lose to the point, maybe props for our cameras and not just in the georgia case, but in the federal case. I think people need to be able to see and hear everything so that they understand that justice is being applied, evenly unfairly. I think that is the only way it is gonna be. You can move forward. You know, i just want to talk to our legal folks for a bit. Elie, just in terms for viewers who are just joining us. Based at the top of the hour, tech are on the east coast. Explain what we expect to happen over the next say hour or more. Right, anderson, so earlier tonight we learned that the grand jury had voted, yes, on at least ten different indictments. And items you saw earlier, as those indictments were gregory foreperson, into the judge who signed those documents. And now those indictments are back with the clerk. And so as we sit, here we are waiting for the clerk to go through the process, literally stamping the documents. And eventually they will be uploaded on to Electronic Filing systems. I expect that around the same time that that happens, the dea will come down and give a public statement. And i think the d. A. Is going to try to time it so the moment when she takes the podium is the moment when we all get to see that indictment. Important to keep in mind a couple of things, one, the dea is typically going to be constrained to what she says to whatever is in the four corners of that indictment. A general rule of practices that you only say and reiterate what you have already put in your court documents, you dont just sort of Go On A Bender and say whatever occurs to you. The other thing to keep in, mind and this is to van and david analysis point. Everyone needs to keep in mind that an indictment is the start of this whole process. It is not the end. We say as a prosecutor, you dont celebrate an indictment, to celebrate a conviction. If you are a prosecutor, vice versa. Of course, if you are the defendant. Our Criminal Justice Process is about the play out in front of all of us, on four different stages. To vans point. And i think it is important that we keep up respect for that system, and look, donald trump has been trying to tear that down, that underlying confidence, through social media, posts every day. Lets let the system do its job, our system is not perfect. Its capable of being criticized. But by and large, it is our last of truth. So lets all be, patient there is a long way to go in this case. And the other, three lets see how it plays out. Michael, in terms of logistic, i, mean if there are indeed multiple defendants, will they all have to be arraigned together . Well, most of the time they would be, but, yeah we just cant escape the fact that this is unique. You did have a former president , and there is unique security concerns. And that type of thing. So typically they would be brought in and have the chance to be arraigned. Even at the same time. The State Court System is a little bit more of a Gun Slinging Type System than the federal court. So they are not necessarily as rigid with the rules anyone waiting to watch this on tape before the election might be running a fools errand. Because i think its not like, then were talking about seven, 17 or eight [inaudible] in the rico, case it has been going on here. You can imagine the difficulty of getting a jury in the trump case. I just think that is a long time. Wait a minute, im sorry, could you just repeat that . You say it took seven months to get a jury for a rico case in georgia . They are still picking the jury, it has been more than seven months. Why does it take seven months . Well, we have, got multiple defendants. Youve got lawyers jumping into heaven. Questioning jurors and all of those things that go along when you have it. So you can imagine the surface that is gonna happen when this comes out. One thing i do want to add about the sort of system that happened here, but ive been hearing about. Remember that trump is presumed innocent at this point. So that has to play into some considerations about timing of the trial, whether or not it knocks him off the trail. All those other things. And ali is exactly right, this is not a case for the d. A. We can come down and slamming outside of what the indictment says. This is not a case, its funny what i was on trump, this is not the prosecutor versus donald trump. This is the State Of Georgia Versus donald trump. And so she has got to wear that causes and exudes impartiality. And follows the rules that are applied to prosecutors. That is that you dont try your case in the media. You try your case in the courtrooms. So she will be contained constraint ihs come out. Michael, obviously the former president has always been released on his own recognizance, obviously no mugshot, no handcuffs, with the other defendants, if they are, would they necessarily get the same treatment . Yeah, i dont think look at the same treatment as the former president. Again, i dont know that any defendants have ever been indicted when the courthouse is surrounded like a military base. So we are in uncharted waters, but i think the other defendants will likely have more of a routine type appearance and be processed in, and then i can be assured in an out by secret service. Anderson we do see this indictment, to michaels point, i expect to see are we going to learn new information about the allegations here . If you think back to jack smith indictment for january 6th, the vast majority of that information had already come out through the january Six Committee that kinzinger was part of. But lets remember that jack smith had to paint with a broad brush. He had to cover seven states, the first part of his indictment is five pages long. Here, fani willis gets to drill down much more deeply and i think were going to get a lot more detail and new information that we hadnt seen before. I appreciate it, lets go back to jake in d. C. Thanks anderson. Im stills here with a cape, abby philip, jeanne, and laura coates. On the channel that is basically Donald Trumps defense network, Lindsey Graham, the senator for south carolina, said earlier something along the lines of this should be decided at the ballot box and not in a bunch of liberal droves to strengthen the man in jail. Theyre weaponizing the law. It is an interesting thing. First of all, what is interesting about that is one of the strongest pieces of evidence against donald trump, that tate from Brad Raffensperger, who we should once again remind people is a very conservative republican, and that tape trump asks him to find 11,780 votes. Just one more than biden had as a margin of victory, that tape exists because Lindsey Graham had called Brad Raffensperger in a previous moment and had said something to him that raffensperger took as a similar suggestion that he should corruptly who find votes for donald trump and Lindsey Graham denied it, so it just disappeared from there. It was a he said he said. So raffensperger presumably star tape recording his conversations. Look, the retort Lindsey Graham is pretty simple. Election interference in a democracy is not something that just gets decided on the ballot box. If its a crime its a crime and it needs to be handled in the courtroom. If you open the door to people just doing any and everything to try to, quote unquote, find votes that they did not actually win it through lawful means, that is the end of it, its the whole ball game. Its why its so important. The jury will decide, but the allegations here, in this case, in the january six case, they go to the heart of what a democracy is and what it means. So the idea that it is just too tough, lets let the Voters Decide on a political matter, its not a political matter. Its a legal matter and well find out what the jury ends up. Let me play that sound if i can, just remind our viewers who are well versed with his excerpt. It is still stunning when you listen to it, this is trump calling the Secretary Of State of georgia, again a very conservative republican named Brad Raffensperger, after the election and this is what he suggests that raffensperger do. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have, because we won the state. I mean, that is just a reminder. You asked the question earlier why georgia . That phone calls one of the big answers to that question. Another one, and also relevant to Lindsey Graham, is that fani willis in 2001 opens this investigation and starts 2021. Thats right, 2021. Looks into rumors of meddling in georgia and she doesnt get to cooperation, principal