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Front runner for the 2024 nomination, is accused and facing a slew of new charges for allegedly master minding a plot in georgia to stay in power. He and all the other defendants now have ten days to surrender. Late last night, an atlantabased grand jury voted to Indictment Trump and 18 other people, including mark meadows and rudy giuliani, on state criminal charges across 41 counts. All of them stemming from their alleged efforts to overturn trumps 2020 defeat. The indictment arguing that all of them, quote, refused to accept trump lost and know ingl and willfully joined a conspiracy to unlawfully change the outcome of the election. So this is a racketeering case, charges brought against mobsters, alleging a widespread conspiracy to commit multiple criminal acts. Trump is accused of 13 new crimes. Hes now charged with 91 crimes from the four indictments. Trump calls the new charges politically inspired. The defendants face an august 25th deadline to turn themselves in. Fulton County District attorney fani willis says she plans to try all 19 together and is asking for a trial date within the next six months. I make decisions in this office based on the facts and the law. The law is completely nonpartisan. Thats how decisions are made in every case. We look at the facts. We look at the law and we bring charges. Now there is a lot to walk through with all of this. Lets start with paula reid outside the courthouse in atlanta. Paula, lay out this case that has spelled out in this lengthy indictment. Reporter lengthy, indeed. This is the fourth criminal indictment for former President Trump this year, this by far, the most sweeping. Here the District Attorney has made a choice to structure this as a reco prosecution, which is most commonly associated with the mob. Its a law that was designed to dismantle organized crime. So it allows you to charge a group of people with certain crimes, even if not every person, in this case not every one of the 19 defendants, participated in every one of the crimes. Now in the indictment at the top, she lays out how they allegedly engaged in this conspiracy. For example, she alleges that as part of this conspiracy, this group lied to state officials, state lawmakers. She also alleges that they tried to install slates of fake lek tors. This was part of an effort to subvert the Electoral College process in favor of trump. They tried to harass at least one election worker. Also she alleges the Justice Department, they are putting pressure on that organization to try to help trump to overturn the results of the election. As we have reported extensively, the Vice President also facing a pressure campaign. She also alleges they tried to breach Voting Machines in rural georgia, and then cover it all up. So by far, this is the most broadsweeping indictment ever brought by a local prosecutor. And the former president has denied any long wrdoing. What happens next now . Reporter so the Destruct Attorney has given all the defendants until next friday to surrenderer. Now we dont expect that the former president is going to object to that, so far he has cooperated in all the other cases negotiating a surrender, an initial appearance, going through the process of being arraigned. But then once they get past the procedure of all that, you can expect legal challenges to be filed. One of the key ones were going to see is an effort to try to move this case from the state level to the federal level. One of the big advantages for trump there would be that they would be pulling the jury pool not just from heavily democratic fulton county, but from a broader pool, a federal jury pool. Also if there is a case, if it theres a conviction at the federal level, that would also be within the powers of former President Trump if hes reelected or other republican candidates who have vowed to pardon him, or even commute a sentence. So a lot of advantages for him at the federal level. Unclear if he would be successful in getting this moved though. Thats a great point. Much more to come. Thank you. Lets talk about what is new in this indictment. For that, im joined by cnn senior legal analyst and the founder of the law firm elie honig is here. I want to talk about whats new and different here. Number one, this is a racketeering case. What does that mean . Racketeering can be the prosecutors best friend. Its such a powerful tool. But you have to do extra work. Theres more you have to prove in a normal case. If you can do that, the benefits accrue. First thing you have to prove is the existence of a criminal enterprise. Traditionally, it would be a mafia family, Drug Trafficking organization. But it can be applied to a political organization. And the indictment makes very clear donald trump was at the head of this criminal ent enterprise. If you picture one of those charts, he would be up top. The other thing you have to prove is what we call a pattern of racketeering activity. Meaning two or more acts de designed to further that enterprise. Here a mere 161 acts. Each of these on its own does not have to be a crime. Some are on twitter. Not a crime, but the point is they further the illegal purpose of the enterprise. The purpose was to steal the 2020 election. Its actually tougher than the federal law because if someone gets convicted in georgia, five years mandatory minimum behind bars. Thats very serious. Either the president nor the governor can issue a pardon within the first five years. Something else that struck me as new and different in this case. There are other charges above and beyond fake lelectors, abov and beyond a scheme to overturn the election. Rico casts a long sha doe. There are 39 other charges. And some of them are much more straight forward. Less work to do. Solicitation, a violation of the oath of office, theres a bunch of charges of this. If you ask a public official to do something in viegs of the constitution, thats a crime. Think of Donald Trumps call to brad rathens berger. They submitted documents in Court Proceedings claiming that there was massive Election Fraud that they knew were false. Computer trespass, this is the brand new story about the breach of the voting systems. If you do that, not surprisingly, thats a driem. So if they can prove that, those people will be convicted. Then forgery of documents. This goes to the fake elector scheme. They got together people that claim they were trump electors. So rico is count one. Possible these could be easerier to prove. Well have to wait and see. At least on paper you think the standard is a little lower. The other thing here, all the defendants, its not just trump. There are 19 defendants in all. Heres all of them. But lets break them down into categories. Trump is his own category, but mark meadows, hes not charged in jack smiths case. Hes not one of the coconspirators. He is charged here in a limited capacity. Hes charged in the rico and for that call to brad eight lawyers charged in state. These are a lot of this ran through and was blessed by and designed by lawyers. Jeffrey clark was a doj official. Sidney powells was a former prosecutor. Thats shocking to see. And lets not forget the fake electors, the campaign officials, the locals, the thing to keep in mind is 19 codefendants. Donald trump historically pays for lawyers for his codefendants, which is not illegal, but it makes him flip. Hes not going to be able to pay for all their lawyers. When you see 19 codefendants here, thats a lot. How much does that raise the possibility that some of these people could flip . Exponentially. What you want to do is get people to flip up the chain towards the boss. Probably right here if we could but youre looking for people to flip up the line. We dont know if scott hall or Misty Hampton had direct contact with donald trump, but they can get you to the midlevel. I would look for these people to flip. I think prosecutors are putting a heavy hand on them. You prosecuted the mob. You are a mob prosecutor. You used rico cases. You prosecuted multiple people at once but 19 . What are the advantages and disadvantages . You get to show a jury the whole picture. This is the whole crew. They all Work Together as one cohesive entity towards an illegal end. You have the advantage to pick off some lowhanging fruit and get them to flip. But the hard part, its a lot of work. Youre not going to be able to try all 19 at once. Thats not going to happen. And you just never know how every one of these defendants, lets put aside trump. Every one of these defendants, even the people we heard of is going to mount a furious defense, as their right to do. Thank you very much. A lot more to discuss here. Thanks, john. With us now is former fulton County District attorney daryl cohen. Youre in a unique position because you know this court system and how it works. You want to start with this. Fan willis brought this sweeping case that involves 19 people, including the former president and a slew of lawyers. Why do you think this case is far more reaching than the federal case . Well, the federal case is the federal case. And if trump or any of his coconspirators are convicted, then if trump were to win the republican nomination and then win the president us is again, he could give himself his own pardon. Or if a republican was elected, he or she could pardon donald trump. In this instance if hes convicted in georgia, even the governor of georgia is unable to pardon him. So thats really, really important. But here, fani willis, who i think has done a comprehensive a job as anyone could possibly do, has brought in, as previously mentioned, all of the people from throughout the state, so it didnt have to happen, the c crimes did not have to happen in fulton county. They happened throughout the state. By using rico, which was designed for mobsters, shes able to put it altogether. But its a very complicated thing. This is not easy. You have to convince 12 men and women at some point whether or not trump and any or all of his coconspirators are guilty. Shes saying that were going to try this case in six months. Im not a betting guy, but thats not going to happen. It is not going to happen. Let me ask you about this. Sara murray asked fani willis about how the case would be tried. This is da willis response. Listen. Have you had any contact with the special koum about overlap between these cases, and do you intend to try all of these defendants together . Do i intend to try the 19 defendants in this indictment together . Yes. Yes. Have you had any contact with Special Counsel ab the overlap . Im not going to discuss our investigation at this time. Okay. The thing to pull out of that is she says, yes, im going to try all 19 people at the same time. Is that possible . When youre talking about 19 defendants, you also are talking about 19 lawyers, maybe more, for those defendants in a court. How will she do this . Is it possible, yes. Is it probable, no. It will be a circus of a trial. Each one of those defendants is going to have his or her own Attorney Fighting Tooth by tooth by tooth and pulling teeth is not fun, but pulling teeth with multiple people is unbelievable. Sorry to interrupt you. Im curious. Can a jury ingest all of this . When you have 19 people, i covered a case with the oath keepers where there were a dozen and the feds broke the case up into two because its just a lot of information for a jury to take in. As a prosecutor, i always believed in the kiss method. Keep it short stupid, simple stupid. A jury is not going to be able to take all this in, but dont forget its also political, whether we like it or not, no matter what fani has to say, its political. If youre democratic and hate trump, youre going to hear it one way if youre republican and love trump, youll hear it another way. So as a result of that, its going to be complicated. Its going to be a circus. Its going to take a tremendous amount of time. Right now, theres a case going on with multiple defendants in fulton county. They have not yet been able to seat a jury and this started in january of this year. So if you multiply that and realize this is far worse, this is unpress didnted, its never happened before in the United States. We dont know where were going to be. There are going to be potholes and mines all along the way. I want to talk to you quickly about fani willis history when it comes to hico. What is her experience with this rico charge . No one has experience in this type of rico charge. No one, not any State Prosecutor in the United States because never before has a former president been charged and his having codefendants, 18 additional and 41 counts, this is unprosecutecedented. Its going to be step by step, and its going to be Prosecution Learning piece by piece because they are going to be forward and backward, and for every step forward, theres going to be a step and a half backward. We just dont know what. What we do know is its going to be completely fought. Its going to a kir sis and its going to take a long time to do it. Six months is not going to be what shes hopeful, its not going to happen. Might happen after the election. Thank you so much for your insight. Super interesting she might be hopeful for six months, and hes saying thats not going to happen. Much more to come on this. Former President Trump speaking out this morning announcing what he calls a major News Conference on the georgia indictment. When and where that will happen, we have that for you. Plus you know their names. Rudy giuliani, meadows, powell, but there are people other people charged with donald trump who are not such household names. Well look at all 18 codefendants, names in the georgia indictment, and their alleged crimes. Well be right back. Hit it it takes two to make a thing go right it takes two to make it outta sight one, two, get loose now it takes two to make a. Stay two nights and get a 50 best western gift car. Book now at bestwestern. Com. Astepro allergy, steroid free allergy relief that starts working in 30 minutes, while other Allergy Sprays take hours. 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That post reads, which took Police Na Georgia is almost complete and will be presented by me at a major News Conference at 11 00 a. M. On monday of next week in bedminster, new jersey. It goes on to say that there will be a complete exoneration. They never went after those that rigged the election. They only went after those that fought the riggers. Donald trump has long been claiming that the 2020 president ial election has been rife with fraud, this he won the election. All claims that we know are not true and are false. But this is one of the ways that donald trump and his team are planning to defend him against this latest indictment. And honestly, im not that surprised that they will be doing this. When i spoke to his advisers yesterday in the lead up to the indictment, they told me that they expect the former president will want to make some sort of formal remarks around the latest charges if they were trfiled. The indictment dropped last night. They want to get ahead of this and message these charges on their own terms. As we have seen them do with the past three indictments that hes faced in the past several months. This is exactly one of the ways they are going to be trying to do it. Its interesting. This is a political argument, obviously, whether or not they take this message in the courtroom, thats a discussion for another time. Alayna treene, keep us posted. Joining us for more is ben jones, former Obama Administration official, and senior Political Commentator Scott Jennings is here as well. Major News Conference. Scott, do you want to be hea

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