Donald trump, now has ten days to surrender to authorities in georgia on charges tied to his efforts to overturn the 2020 election in georgia. It will be his fourth time booked on criminal charges. He wont be alone. The 98page indictment names 18 codefendants, including his former chief of staff, mark meadows. The 41 charges include racketeering and conspiracy. The atlanta area District Attorney fani willis says those 19 defendants in total plotted against the constitution which trump swore to protect and defend and abused the office, trump is of Course Running for once again. Cnns paula reed is at the courthouse in atlanta. Paula, this case is wider both in terms of number of defendants but also took a different legal path for charging this. Reporter thats right. A lot of key differences here. Not only in how its constructed. Fani willis pursuing a racketeering or rico case here. Rico laws were passed to dismantle organized crime. So shes charging former President Trump but 18 allies. Thats another key difference. For the first time, people like Rudy Giuliani and mark meadows are facing charges for their involvement in efforts to overturn the election. Rudy giuliani was, of course, coconspirator number one in the federal indictment. But mark meadows said was at the heart of it, saying all roads went through mark meadows. He was conspicuously absent in the federal indictment, raising questions whether he is cooperating. But here he has been charged, alongside these other 18 defendants. So its a completely different approach. Logistically, its going to be challenging. She said he wants to try them all together. But right now, these defendants have until next friday at noon to surrender. When you look at this case, what we know of the evidence to back up these charges, how much is new as compared to what was uncovered by the Special Counsel in his own investigation, as well as what the January 6th Committee discovered . Reporter whats so significant, jim, is that cnn and other news outlets reported so extensively on these efforts that much of this was already known to us and to the public. Of course, the January 6th Committee has also investigated this extensively. Remember, the federal indictment, the january 6th indictment, didnt have a lot of news, a lot of new details. Its astonishing. She lays out 161 different acts to support her allegations. We lost paula reed there. In the midst oh of a heavy rainstorm outside the courthouse there. Paula, thanks so much. Just a taste of the rainstorm of legal action to come, jessica. Thats right. The d. A. In that georgia case wants a trial within six months. Special counsel jack smith wants his trial to start in january. While trump and allies were focused on responding to the charges today, a codefendant in another case, the one involving classified documents, was arraigned in florida. With us now, cnn senior justice correspondent e vavan perez. You have all of these cases lining up. How does it get sorted and what takes precedence . The calendar is getting full. You have the two federal indictments, one in florida and one here in washington, but now of course this one. But you also have the criminal cases in new york that the former president has to be involved in. So something is going to have to give. At some point, youll start seeing perhaps judges ordering everyone to sort of get together and figure out a timeline. Not to mention the former president is running for office again. Hes trying to do campaign events. And so what we expect is usually, in these types of cases, the federal system takes precedence. Its the superiority of the federal system. So usually what you would have is certainly the federal case, perhaps the Election Interference case, which right now the Justice Department says they want to try to go to trial in january. But that also is running into the election im sorry, the e. Jean carroll Defamation Case in new york. There is the Hush Money Case in the d. A. s office in manhattan, thats in march. And then theres the maralago case you have the Callahan Endar front of you. We know that some of this is going to slide, and theyre going to slide into each other. We know that fani willis hasnt said if shes been in touch with the Special Counsel to sort it out. Is that normal, would they do Something Like that . Its not unusual. Theres nothing wrong with her and jack smith having a conversation and talking about their separate cases, and where things might align. One of the interesting things about this is donald trump has made a deal about this, a huge deal deal claiming democrats have been colluding against them. So theres been some sensitivity to not appear that they are working together. That is probably going to have to change at some point. She last night in responding to sarah murray, gave a different answer, as you saw, when she said were not going to talk about this investigation. I think what we are going to see is that at some Point A Judge is going to tell the Special Counsel and fani Willis Office you have to figure out some kind of schedule, because both of these cases have to do with the Election Interference. Both of them have an interest in having this done before the 2024 election. Its not clear how both can be done. It is a wildly compressed timeline. This is all unfolding if donald trump is running for president in the middle of that calendar. E van perez, thank you so much. Jim . Now to our guests. Good to have you both gentlemen. Thank you for taking the time. Giving your work with willis, what should americans expect to see over the coming weeks and months as this Trial Proceeds . I can tell you one thing about d. A. Willis, shes thorough. Shes extremely thorough. Shes going to turn over every stone. Shes going to be complete. One thing about her is that if she alleges it, then she fully and completely believes that that is something that she can prove beyond a reasonable doubt. So i expect that this will be a lengthy process and once this gets to trial, its not going to be a quick trial, because theres going to be so much evidence, so much material. Its going to be extremely voluminous. I know last night, she said she didnt just throw the book, she threw the library. That is how complete fanni is, ms. Willis is, when it comes to her pursuits and pleading her case. Clark cunningham, theres an enormous amount of evidence that a jury will hear here. One of the most high Profile Pieces of evidence is the phone call on january 2nd from trump to Brad Raffensperger, telling him to find the votes, one more than they lost by, to find the votes necessary to overturn the election. Legally, what do trumps words on that phone call prove . Well, the former president insists on calling it a perfect phone call. I dont know why he keeps doing that. Im sure his lawyers dont think its a perfect phone call. Ive said before, i think its perfectly incriminating. It was that phone call that got District Attorney willis to start the investigative process. And i really dont see how trumps lawyers are going to effectively defend that phone call. You know, he asks for just enough votes so he can win the election. He suggests to raffensperger to say he can recalculate it after two recounts. How can that be anything other than Election Fraud . At one point, he says, fellas, give me a break. I think its just Def Vastatingf you have to defend that phone call. Perfect phone call is a line that trump used in his first impeachment. Weve been hearing not just from the former president , but Rudy Giuliani speaking moments ago. I want to play this and get your reaction. Have a listen. Theyre not the same level of Prosecutor Smith has. So i dont know where theyre going to go with this. 17 defendants, and you want to try it in six months, are you out of your mind . Somes like hes taking something of a shot there at the District Attorney you worked with before. How do you respond to Rudy Giuliani . I want to laugh, first of all. I think that would be the response on anyone who has set foot in the District Attorneys office in Fulton County. I believe that ms. Willis has been prepared, has been preparing. Thats why this has taken so long. Shes putting in the work with her team, not just to get the indictment. Understand that thats you know, thats a lower burden, were talking about probable cause. We once had a saying as a prosecutor, you can indict a ham sandwich. Shes preparing this for trial, proving this case beyond a reasonable doubt. And im willing to say that i bet the prosecutors have already started lining up their line of proof, the evidence, their witnesses, and so forth. So i think that mr. Trump and the other codefendants, theyve got to buckle up, because theyre facing some real problems in Fulton County. Clark, one difference in this case from the Special Counsels case regarding trumps efforts to overturn the election is the use of the rico statute, which as you know, used most often, and by the way, Rudy Giuliani used this liberally in new york against organized crime, also gangs, et cetera. In read thing indictment, how do you think fani willis applied this, and do you think shes made the case . I think she used the rico act very, very effectively. The idea of the rico act, you can take lots of different actions by different people over a large period of time, and you can link them together to create a compelling narrative for the jury. And so i think she plans to present to the jury a story of really pretty vast conspiracy to subvert democracy itself. And to be able to make that story, she has to take all kinds of individual events, which by themselves might not seem that sinister. When you put them together, she believes she has a compelling case of a Criminal Enterprise with donald trump at the top of it. Criminal enterprise. That phrase figured in this. Thanks to both of you. Very glad to be with you. Jessica . Ahead this hour, well show you how former President Trump is fighting for votes on the trail, while he juggles upcoming trials. Plus, joe biden says hawaii will have every asset it needs as it recovers from the fires. Well take you live to maui for the latest on the situation there. 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He is publicly attacking not just the charges but also individuals, including Fulton CountyDistrict Attorney fani willis, claiming political persecution as hes often done. Cnns correspondent joins me now. We see this, and its always a combination of, this isnt true, im a political victim, personal attacks on any individuals involved. But also, again, were seeing repetition of already rebunked lies about the election. The thing that is different in this case is that hes not just repeating that this is Election Interference, im a victim of political persecution, as he will do and has done on truth social and in media interviews, but hes going to be disputing the facts of the case. I think one of his posts today, he said im going to have a major News Conference on monday at his golf club in bedminster, new jersey. And his team is going to be releasing a report. Hes going to be presenting it during this press conference, laying out the claims of Election Fraud in georgia around the 2020 election. Of course, we know that donald trump has been pedaling these claims for years now. Brian kemp, the republican governor of georgia, prebutted trumps announcement saying the election was not stolen and that no one has been willing to testify under oath to these supposed claims trump is sharing. Remember, there were two recounts in georgia around the votes, three times they counted the votes. Joe biden each time won the majority of the votes. It will be interesting to see the strategy of donald trump and the team as they continue to defend him in light of the charges. I do think it will be something that they will continue to kind of talk about over the next several weeks, particularly around a potential Court Appearance next week before that august 25th deadline that the District Attorney in Fulton County has set for next week. Flood the zone with disinformation. We have often seen it. Thank you so much. Jessica . Today, former President Trumps closest 2024 rival, Florida Governor ron desantis is refusing to go after trump for his ongoing legal troubles. When asked by a new england Radio Station about the new georgia indictment, he called it an example of criminalization of pol politics, and he said, theyre n devoting an enormous amount of res resources to this. Joining me now, former director of the nixon president ial library, tim natali. Tim, great to see you. We just were talking about desantis again, this is what he said in all of these indictments, going after what he calls the weaponization of the Department Of Justice against former President Trump for political reasons. Whats your reaction to that . Well, my reaction to that, jessica, is that ron desantis, governor desantis, like tim scott, has his own strategy for winning the nomination for the of the republican party, while holding onto as many trump votes as possible. Lets keep in mind what is at issue in the georgia indictment. Its really organically connected to the federal indictment. These are obviously Different Levels of government, but in our country, both the federal government and the state governments have a responsibility for making sure that our elections are free and fair. The federal government, jack smith, and the grand jury, have charged donald trump with leading a conspiracy in seven states to try to overturn the outcome of the 2020 election. Now one of those states, georgia, on its own, given its own responsibility, its own laws, is going after the president , former president , and his lieutenants in that effort. So these are really connected. So the question in our country should be, should the powerful be able to overturn an election without consequence . So as far as i can see, the cr