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Overturn the results of the election here in georgia. And to support this, shes offered up a nearly 100page indictment that detail 61 acts that were part of this conspiracy across these 19 defendants. There were also 30 Unindicted Coconspirators and these allegations span 7 states and the district of columbia. While this is the fourth criminal indictment trump faces this year, this is by far the most sweeping. Rico cases are challenging. They tend to get drawn out. When you have 19 defendants and their attorneys, its easy to see how things could get drawn out for months or even years, but the District Attorney said she wants to try everyone together, and shes hoping to ask for a trial in the next six months. So former President Trump and the 18 others who have been indicted have 10 days to voluntarily surrender. How might this booking look different from the other arraignments trump has gone through . Reporter its going to look different than what we have seen at the federal level. We have seen a few now with the former president , but there he was processed. He had his initial appearance and arraignment in one fell swoop. Here in georgia, he and all the other defendants have until next friday to surrender. Typically thats done to the Fulton County sheriffs office. As part of that, theres usually a mug shot and fingerprints, but given the form er president s status, his Secret Service protection, its likely they may negotiate something a little different for him. And then the initial appearance, that date is up to the judge. It could be days, weeks, potentially months before we see that initial appearance by the former president or any of the other defendants. So lets talk about mark meadows for a second. Meadows being trumps former white house Chief Of Staff. He was not named a coconspirator or suggested to be in jack smiths indictment, but he is named as a codefendant in this georgia case. Why . Reporter its been one of the biggest questions of all of the various investigations into the efforts to overturn the election. We know from the January 6th Committee they did an exhaustive investigation. While they didnt have the chance to speak to mark med does, he did provide some helpful evidence. They came to the conclusion that he was really at the center of this. That all roads from this alleged conspiracy went right through mark meadows and accusing him of being the chief enable of former President Trump. So the fact that he can want so quiet during the federal investigation was notable, even more so his Con Speck Wous absence from the indictment. When you read through the indictment, fani willis lays out the specific allegations against him, remind ing people of just how intimately he was involved in so many of the aspects of this alleged conspiracy, including the enormous pressure being placed on georgia officials, including most famous ly the secretary of state. Paula reid at the courthouse in Fulton County, thank you. The indictment mentions 30 Unindicted Coconspirators, not named. Cnn has been going through this indictment and cross referencing with our own reporting to try to identify some of named individuals. There are lots of folks we know who testified or who play ed a role in the georgia effort by the trump team, who escaped charges, such as Georgia Attorney linwood or South Carolina lindsey graham, or former National Security adviser mike flynn. None of them mentioned by name in the indictment. Cnn anchor of the source Kaitlan Collins joins me. One unnamed coconspirator, individual 8, appears 11 times in the indictment. We believe, cnn believes its georgias current Lieutenant Governor bert jones. We dont know for sure, but there are a lot of strong hints in here where you can pretty easily draw conclusions. Be rt jones seems to be one of them because it references a tweet he posted. Hes someone who is the Lieutenant Governor, but he was one of the fake electors pledging to be an alternate elector to trump. He was the calling for a special session of the georgia legislature, something that the former Lieutenant Governor refused those calls, as did the georgia governor. But jones is someone who is named in here. Theres a tweet that he post ed. Thats why it does appear to be jones here. The reason that he may not be on the list of indicted coconspirators, the names that you can see at the top, fani willis is barred from being able to indict pim hymn. He was someone that was determined by the judge that you saw last night to be a Conflict Of Interest because shes a democrat. She hosted a fundraiser for the democrat who ran against him for that position of Lieutenant Governor. It was kind one of those moments where the judge said what was she thinking kind of moment. But he does appear to be someone in here. So surely the state agency in georgia we know is going to look into this because he does hold that position of Lieutenant Governor. It seems pretty clear he is referenced in here. Heres some of the other people we have been able to identify of this list of unidentified Unindicted Coconspirators. Theres a lot of strong h hints. Another is tom fitten, hes believed to be individual 1. He comes from the Group Judicial watch. They reference a draft of a speech that he provided to donald trump in the days before the election, so october 31st, i believe it was, an email he said heres the draft of the speech you asked for. It said trump should declare victory on election day on sole ly the ballots cast on that day, i guesser norsing the millions of mailin ballots. The reason we believe its him is we see whats in the indictment. We also know theres a draft of an email he sent to white house aids saying, mr. President , heres the draft of that speech you requested. I should note that we have reached out to him and asked for comment. He has not responded yet. These are very strong clues that are left in this indictment as to who these people could be. And we have talked a lot about over the last few years the insane december 18th, 2020, oval office meet wrg they talked about using the military to seize voting machines. That was with trump, several advisers including Sidney Powell and Rudy Giuliani. We know a lot about this pete meeting because of house for the January 6th Committee. Yeah, two people were c curious of who could be unindicted here is potentially mike flynn, trumps former National Security adviser, and patrick burn, the former overstock ceo. Hes someone who was there that day. He was in the middle of the Fight Screaming with the white House Counsel at the time, confusing as to who they actually were. Theres some pretty good testimony about that. Whats notable is that this indictment does cite that oval office meeting. It was one of the craziest, if not the craziest moment in that postelection part of trumps presidency. It notably was not listed in the jack smith indictment, but it is listed in this indictment. So that raises the question of who unindicted coconspirator number 20 could be. We know its not lions or cipollone, because they were pushing back on the crazy. Thank you so much. Were going to see Kaitlan Collins again at 9 00 p. M. For the source. Youre going to talk to asa hutchinson, former governor of arkansas. Lets bring in john bolton, he was the u. S. Ambassador to the United Nations and served as Donald Trumps National Security adviser. Ambassador, good to see you. I want to start with these mysterious Unindicted Coconspirators. Do you think any of them or any of trumps 18 fellow defendants might ultimately flip on trump if i they havent already . Think its very possible. I think a lot of people have pointed to mark meadows not named as a coconspirator in the federal indictment, but obviously, named as a defendant here. Its pretty hard to see how he can be separated that way. So perhaps he cooperated at the federal level, didnt cooperate enough at the state level, but i think thats going to be extremely interesting to watch. Im sure thats one of the reasons that this georgia proceeding could take a long time to unfold. Of the four criminal cases, in my view, probably the one almost certain to be after the November 2024 election. Chris christie departed from his previous reactions to these indictments. He told me he thinks the georgia case is unnecessary because jack smith already charged trump in a federal election meddling case. He thinks it should supersede the Fulton County case. He also suggested on the show in the last hour that its possible that District Attorney fani willis ego may have been involved and not thing all the hard work go to waste. What do you think . I would say with respect to chriss remarks, it sounds like a former u. S. Attorney who would say get these state cases out of my way. As a conservative republican, believer in federalism, lets hear it for state prosecutors, is fani willis motivated politically, i dont doubt it. Most u. S. Attorneys wake up in the morning, look at themselves in the mirror and say, shall i run for governor or senator when im done with this job. Thats what prosecutors do. The question is can she prove this case in court. I really think thats whats going to be important here over the next months. Not the prefrtrial proceedings, the only issue thats going to matter politically here is does one of these prosecutors get a conviction . What do you think of this case now that you have read the indictment . Do you think its strong . Do you agree with using rico charges against the president and his fellow defendants . Well, im not a big fan of overread ing statutes to go beyond what they were intended to. I think this is going to be a very hard case to bring to trial and to prove in all of its elements. Almost certainly, if it does go to trial with 19 defendants on all these charges, youre going to have some guilty and some not guilty. Its going to be a very mixed result because all of these allegations are not equal, all the charges are not equal. They have made it a very complex case. A vast majority of 2024 voters likely already made up their minds about trump. Brendan buck put this this way. Quote, for voters, you have decided whether being indicted is problematic or if you believe this is being done to undermine trumps campaign. If trump is acquitted, you have expressed fear that it could Energize Voters to cat pacatapu him to a second term. It just shows there isnt a deep state. Nobody sat down and said i think the risk in all four cases justifies going forward. We had had prosecutors that were operating independently. I personally think that the documents case is the best case of the four. And i think does justify going ahead. The new york case ranked 1 to 4, i would rank that 10th. And i think the january 6th Election Fraud issue is somewhere in between. But yes, i think the risk is worthwhile because the people deserve to know whether donald trump is a felon. I think i disagree with the idea that because the indictments havent shaken things up that people have already made up their mind. This just shows indictments are subject to the law of dim diminishing ewe tulty, like erg else. The issue here is when a former president is actually convicted if that happens. That will move peoples opinions. Ambassador bolton, good to see you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Coming up next, well get insighten of the case with an attorney who knows the lead prosecutor well. 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Its a culmination of an investigation thats lasted more than two years. Joining us from outside the court is charlie bailey, a former seen your assistant District Attorney and robert james, former District Attorney. Charlie, listen to what form governor Chris Christie said last hour about fani willis investigation. Im a little bit concerned that this had more to do with ego than anything else. That her office put a lot of time into an investigation. Jack smith came in a number of months ago, moved quickly, charged the case. Crhris christies argument i that the federal case makes this one redundant. You have worked closely with fani willis. What do you make of What Christie said . Well, all due respect to governor christie, i think he just doesnt know fani willis. She said at the beginning of this investigation she didnt know where the facts were going to lead. Thats why she was going to do an investigation. Thats what a real prosecutor does. She did that investigation. Shes led by the evidence to bring the charges that shes brought. Im reminded of many times i sat had her office when we had cases together, and this is ten years ago, eight years ago, these are cases that nobody was going to know the victim. Nobody thought they mattered. But fani impressed upon me and everybody else that worked with her that they did matter. It didnt matter who they were, we were to follow the evidence, make Charging Decisions and try cases based on that. And thats what shes done here. I know in this age of cynicism, we have a tendency to think everything is about politics. Fani just means what she says. Thats what this indictment shows. Getting an indictment is not all that difficult. You can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich. Getting a conviction in a court with a jury with a higher standard is much more difficult. Based on what you have seen in this indictment, do you think any of the charges might be too overreaching . I wouldnt say overreaching. I would just say that its going to be difficult. Youve got 19 defendants. One of whom is the former president of the United States. Many of them come with varying levels of publicity and sentiment behind them. And th

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