Hes claiming that. Also tonight Breaking News on his former Chief Of Staff and current codefendant mark meadows who now warrants the trial moved to Federal Court and the latest from maui where President Biden is 34re7b8ging every federal asset needed and the need is enormous. We begin with the Breaking News in the wake of last nights rico indictment in georgia, the former president and 18 other, one of them former trump Chief Of Staff mark meadows filed papers late today asking to move the case to Federal Court. Rudy giuliani facing 13 counts said this afternoon hell seek to do the same. Well talk more in a moment about this and the case to be made for it with our legal experts and whether the former president might join in. Right now, though, he appears to be rushing head long into the past. Two years and seven months since leaving office four criminal indictments and 71 fell ni charges later donald trump says he can finally do it. Do what all his attorneys and motley cast of characters around him were unable to do in dozens of court cases around the country in the days and weeks, namely prove Election Fraud. Posting on his Social Network this morning, he announced a Press Conference next monday at which hell present a, quote, large complex detailed but irrefutable report on the president ial Election Fraud which took place in georgia. By the way, if you think you have heard this before, you kind of have. Lets go back, the date, january 4th, 2021, dalton, georgia. Since the election, we have put forth indisputable evidence documenting the rampant fraud which will be announced on wednesday, as you know. He was making the same e. Tri promise then that hes making now. By the way, just two days before he claimed that in dalton in 2021 he made that call with brad raffensperger, and other Election Officials and Trump Supporters and offered up a string of claims as if they were indisputable and these officials refuted each and every one. In apparent frustration he then made the now infamous request which is part of the charges against him. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have because we won the state. He didnt. Its also worth mentioning that he made that call, that claim in dalton, georgia after repeatedly being told by his own people, Law Enforcement agencies even attorney general bill barr that there was nothing to his claims and after a string of Court Defeats in georgia and elsewhere, 61 in all including the Supreme Court so now almost three years after losing, he says hes going to produce in his words some irrefutable report that shows hes right. Cant wait. Today, georgia governor brian kemp, a republican and trump supporter in 2020 weighed in tweeting, the 2020 election in georgia was not stolen for nearly three years now anyone with evidence of fraud has failed to come forward under oath and prove anything in a court of law. Doesnt sound like he will be on the edge of his seat either wai waiting for monday. Rudy giuliani spoke today not as the famous rico prosecutor he once was but as a criminal defendant and claimed he is still the American People once respected. Im the same Rudy Giuliani that went after the mafia. I havent changed one bit. Not one bit. Cnns Katelyn Polantz has new reporting on the former mayor. What more are you learning . Reporter well, anderson, we have learned through a series of Court Filings just this week from Rudy Giuliani where hes Fighting Lawsuits so totally separately from the criminal indictment he is now facing in georgia hes fighting these lawsuits and hes having to tell courts that hes out of money or at least hes out of cash, because there are so many things around him in the court of law that are causing him to have a lot of expenses and so just looking at this, it is a pretty dire State Of Affairs for Rudy Giuliani based on whats in the court record. Right now, we know that he has at least 181,000 in total current bills. That includes bills he has just to keep his electronic records hosted somewhere on a monthly basis and that if he wants to do a search of those records which hes going to be needing to do not just for a lawsuit that is happening right now but for other potential investigations and lawsuits in the future he has to pay them additional money to do those search, money that would amount to Something Like 15,000 or 23,000 and in one of the Court Filings yesterday, his lawyers essentially said giuliani doesnt have that money right now. He doesnt have 15,000. Thats even less than what giuliani was asking as his day rate when he was working for donald trump on the 2020 Campaign Litigation so its a small, relatively small amount of money for a lawyer, the former mayor of new york city, that hes just not able to get together and hes saying also in court that he cant provide detailed Financial Information because it would embarrass giuliani, draw attention to his misfortunes but there are clearly a lot of things bearing down around him, not just with that, there also was a very protracted negotiation apparently that the Court Filings discussed where he was trying to get someone to donate money to him to pay some of his legal fees, specifically a debt of 320,000 that he owed and that debt was ultimately paid by the Save America Pac but took months for him waiting for that money and at this point in time theres no indication that donald trump is paying other legal fees for Rudy Giuliani and all of these lawsuits are all moving forward at different stages, one of them is very close to potentially being ruled against him. Its a case that is from the two Georgia Election workers and were just waiting to see what a judge is going to do with finality. He does seem to have some assets. I think i saw his apartment in new york on park avenue on the Upper East Side is for sale for some 6 million so seems like he would be able to get some money at some point. Katelyn polantz, thanks for the breakdown. Someone well afainted with Rudy Giuliani, cy vance. Thanks for being with us. Appreciate it. What do you make of the attempt by mark meadows to move it to Federal Court . Why would he do that . Whats the benefit . I think the idea is that the Federal Court will be a perhaps slightly more manageable venue . Court for the defendants cases to be heard. When we subpoenaed donald trump in 2019 for his tax records, he filed court he filed a case in Federal Court in order to get the case essentially the issue moved into the federal judiciary. I think to me its all about the Supreme Court. I think hes looking for the quickest way to go through the federal system and get the issues before the Supreme Court. My speculation is that he feels thats a court that will help him on these questions of law. One of the arguments that has been made about having this in georgia is that if he is elected president and he somehow pardons himself in anything else that obviously he doesnt have pardon power in the state of georgia, nor does the governor there. If it was moved to Federal Court and all was moved to Federal Court, would that negate that . Well, if he ultimately was charged in Federal Court and convicted in Federal Court, yes, i think it would any gate it because the state case would be presumably dismissed and then it would become a federal action, but i think clearly the importance of the state prosecutions, our investigation that took us to the Supreme Court twice to get the records from donald trump, my successors case now d. A. Willis, these are important backstops and ill tell you why as an example, if i may. We started our investigation into the Trump Organization finances and the like and the u. S. Attorney in new york, who is a wonderful person, asked their office asked me to stand down with our case. I felt i should, because i feel we need comity between the agencies and i did but To My Surprise after Michael Cohen pleaded guilty the case dropped in the Southern District so we lost a year and a half and it proves, i think, anderson that you need to approach these issues with the spirit of, yes, lets not argue about silly thing, lets try to Work Together but at the end of the day the state needs to look after the state, and the state cannot depend on the federal government to look after states interests. Fani willis talked when going to trial of all 19 defendants. Just youve done that, i mean, youve had large trials in new york. How difficult is that . Is that possible with 19 19 defendants is a large number, and its a difficult number for a court to manage. But we in manhattan during my tenure had cases of much larger groups of defendants. They were particularly gang cases. The challenge in this case is you have to have all 19 defendants, you have first of all a complicated factually complicated and set of charges. You have some folks who are marginal on the error and some like the former president at ground zero of the case, so the judge is going to have to manage defendants different allegation, different kinds of motions, its a lot for the court to manage, on top of managing donald trump. Some of those 19 theoretically could make deals prior to this going to trial. I mean, as you said, some of them are on the fringes of this, others are right at the e epicenter. Sure, the rico count as i understand it, youll have experts on later but has a 5 to 20year rank of sentencing so anybody in this Defendant Group who is looking at five years is going to think long and hard about whether or not they really want to wear the trump flag and go over the cliff carrying it. I think there will be defendants who want to cooperate and resolve this. Im not sure that d. A. Willis needs their cooperation. Seems like a strong, straightforward indictment. Obviously its quite detailed and theres not a lot left to imagination. Right. It is what it is, and shell i think shell push forward. 19 is a big number and particularly dealing with the president as a defendant. You talked we were talking previously will the importance of a judge in a case like this, keeping things moving. What have you learned about the former president in your experiences in court . Chaos agent. You know hes an agent of chaos. He is an agent of chaos and i think his whole career is kind of going from one disaster to another, and distracting attention from the last disaster moving to another but being happy that hes in attention. Right now politically hes completely consumed all the air time on the republican nomination for president even while hes being indicted. How does that play out in a courtroom or in a legal battle with him . What play out . The agent of chaos . Well, i think what it means, first and foremost for the judge in this case is how do you manage a man like donald trump as a defendant . An average defendant who has said what he said, who has done what hes done under indictment would be hauled back into court and threatened with contempt, incarceration or a huge fine. None of those things necessarily are dissuading factors for donald trump. Again, im speculating but were he to be put in jail on contempt for doing something as stupid as his picture with him and a bat and d. A. Braggs picture right next to him, clearly intimidating but were he to be put in rikers island, i honestly think hed probably use it as a mechanism to, you know, to excite his crowd and his no judge has really this is unprecedented. So there is no judge who has experience with a character like this. No, i dont think ever with a character like this. But clearly the judges that are involved are experienced and i think they all bottom line are going to really need to control their courtroom. They need to be the manager to set expectations of decorum and what is responsible behavior and what is irresponsible behavior, and they need to hole the former president to account. How theyre going to do that because the typical tools that a judge would use may, in fact, not be as effective with the former president. But i think ultimately these judges are going to make it work and theres something sobering, you know, you saw President Trump when he was in the manhattan courtroom, you know, he was not a man in control. Nor at his arraignments in florida or in d. C. I think he understands the weight of power and the momentum that is rolling up against him, whether that causes him to act like a normal litigant or not, well see. I hope so because its not good, you know, weve already had one attempt to overthrow an election. We dont want a continuing effort by the president and his supporters to overthrow the Judicial Process as well. Cy, thank you so much for your time. Coming up next more on the Breaking News, mark meadows push to push the trial to Federal Court and his chances for success. The latest from hawaii where the death toll is nearing 100 and could climb higher tonight. This is your summer to smile. To raise your glass and reconnect. To reel in the fun and serve up great times. 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Reporter in Donald Trumps previous federal indictment connected to the 2020 election, mark meadows had managed to escape any charges leading many to wonder if the former white house Chief Of Staff may have turned on his former boss. I think one name thats obviously not in that in the indictment i