We have chilling new details this morning about threats being made against the grand jurors who just issued an indictment against donald trump in georgia, and the woman arrested after police say she threatened to kill the judge in the d. C. Case. New scrutiny on the hours before the deadly maui wildfires. Why didnt the sirens sound in time . Questions about the state and federal response, and were going to speak with the White House Press secretary shortly. Abortion rights are one step closer to being in front of the Supreme Court again. An Appeals Court ruling clearing the way for a popular Abortion Drug to remain available for now, but very Big Questions about how long it will remain that way. Im kate bolduan with john berman and sara sidner. This is cnn news central. This morning, there is growing concern for the safety of several jurors in georgia and a judge in washington, d. C. , who are assigned to the criminal cases against donald trump. There are new chilling details about the threats both are now facing. In texas, a woman is in custody after threatening to kill the federal judge in special counsel jack smiths 2020 election probe. In georgia, theres violent chatter on far right websites that is escalating against grand jury members who voted to indict donald trump. Their names were published as part of the indictment, and now their photos and purported addresses are being circulated online. We just learned when donald trump is likely to surrender in georgia. It will be next week, according to sources. Cnns Nick Valencia is outside the jail in georgia. What are police saying about these threats against those grand jurors . Reporter well, they are clearly disturbed by this, as is everyone who is hearing the news. Safety and security clearly being an issue here, still a very big issue related to those connected to this legal process, with a woman in texas in custody for threatening to kill the texas judge thats overseeing the federal election case tied to the former president. The judge receiving a phone call in her chambers on august 5th with part of that phone call reportedly saying you are in our sights, we want to kill you. That call reportedly also included some racist language. The judge, we should mention, is black. Meanwhile, in georgia, far right anonymous users are calling for violence against the Fulton County grand jurors. Overnight social media profiles, photos and in some cases home addresses reportedly belonging to some of these grand jurors online. It appears as though some of those names matched the names that were made public as part of georgia law under the indictment and that Fulton County indictment that was issued earlier this week. Fulton county grand jurors have not made any comments publicly. Outside of the county jail, were still waiting for the 19 defendants to turn themselves in, including the former president. Were told that sources familiar with the matter understand that the trump team is still negotiating with the Fulton County district attorneys office. They dont only have to negotiate with trumps team, but also the secret service, the conditions of his surrender. Nick valencia, thank you so much for that reporting. This morning, new reporting on Rudy Giuliani in trouble, legal, ethical and financial trouble. Sources tell cnn that giuliani went to maralago to personally plead with donald trump for help paying his ballooning legal bills. Giuliani faces hundreds of thousands of dollars in fees, also sanctions amid numerous lawsuits, and now, of course, he faces criminal charges in georgia. Cnn Senior Legal Affairs correspondent paula reid broke the story, along with kaitlan collins. Paula joins us now. I see it as a pilgrimage to maralago by Giuliani To Beg Trump for money. What happened here . Thats exactly what happened. Rudy giuliani has seven figures worth of legal debt and back in april he and his longtime attorney, rob costello, they went down to florida to make a pitch to trump about why he should help Rudy Giuliani with his legal debt. Remember, Rudy Giuliani served frequently for then President Trump on various legal cases and giuliani was tapped to head up efforts to try to find fraud in the election, and its unclear if trump thought that was a Contingency Basis or he had to win all of his cases in order to get paid, or if its just trump in his usual trumpian way being reluctant to dip into his own pocket to pay for things. But weve learned that rudy and costello were able to get an assurance from the former president that he would pay, but it was done, again, in a very trumpian nonspecific way. They didnt agree on a timeline or an amount. About a month later, a trumpaligned Political Action committee, save america, paid 320,000 for Rudy Giuliani to settle one of his many bills, but outside of that, he hasnt received any money. John, going forward, theres two big issues. The first is Rudy Giuliani and keeping him in the fold. Ive spoken with multiple advisers close to the former president who say there is an effort to keep people who would be a little too helpful to prosecutors in the fold. They dont want another Michael Cowen situation. So advisers close to the former president believe there is a reason, there is an incentive for him to help Rudy Giuliani out here, because of course he is named as a coconspirator in the federal case from the special counsel, but he hasnt been charged. We also know he sat down with investigators at length and his attorney is pretty confident hes not going to be charged. The other big problem is for Rudy Giuliani. He needs an attorney in georgia, and its not easy to get an attorney when one of the other lawyers youve hired is in court saying this guy cant pay his legal bills. Were watching closely to see how this impacts his representation in georgia. It is true, he does have some leverage here because there is always that possibility that he could cooperate with investigators in one of these cases. Terrific reporting, as always. Thank you very much. Joining us now, cnn senior political commentator, david axelrod, Senior Adviser to president obama, and political commentator, scott jennings, former assistant to president bush. David, giuliani has issued, we will analyze that in a little while. Lets talk about the debate and debate counterprogramming most specifically. Donald trump is now talking about counterprogramming the upcoming debate. I wonder why he wouldnt show up to the debate. It seems an easy argument, and hes been making that and folks have been making that. Hes far and away ahead, why would he even give them the time . Why would he show up . What do you think . Well, he would show up because he doesnt want others to have the stage. He would show up because hes attracted to the main stage. He would show up because he doesnt want people to think that he is afraid to be there because of these indictments. Those are the reasons he would show up. Ive thought all along that he would not show up because if he doesnt show up, its not the same show. The audience will be smaller, there will be less interest. What were seeing is hes planning a whole week of activities, Including A Press Conference On Monday that will dominate the week. I think, kate, this is a preview of the 2024 president ial race. The focus is not going to be on primaries and caucuses. Its going to be on hearings, on filings, on trumps eruptions, it would be conducted from the Courthouse Steps. Its really you know, this is uncharted waters. And, scott, in our conversations, if it is as david describes, do you think that is exactly what republicans do not need, is if the focus is on conversations from Courthouse Steps . I want to play for you what ron desantis said yesterday about the debate and trying, it seems, to get donald trump to that main stage. You have to earn this nomination. Nobody is entitled to it. Youve got to get up there and youve got to answer questions. He owes it to people to go up there and debate, he needs to tell people first of all, theyre going to ask about a lot of his unfulfilled promises from when he ran in 2016. And also his legal challenges that hes facing in 2023. What do you think . Is it going to do anything . Probably not. I mean, donald trump doesnt have to take orders from the rest of these candidates. I would just offer a counteropinion. Im not sure im right, but if he does show up, the entire debate is certain to be about anything and everything donald trump wants it to be about or what he has going on in his life and it would probably drown out any other possibility of conversations about policies that you might want to enact as president. So there would be a downside, i think, in some ways for the other campaigns, because he would be there sucking up all the oxygen. Let me just paint a quick political picture, like a realistic picture of what republicans are facing with trump right now before this debate and before any of these trials are resolved. The Associated Press did a survey this week, 64 of americans said they definitely or probably would not vote for donald trump, 53 said it was definite, and thats before the possibility he is convicted of any crime. And right now 58 in the latest Quinnipiac Poll of republicans say that they would not support a convicted felon for the presidency. So we can debate the debates and all the tactics and so on and so forth, but david just pointed out that trumps entire campaign is going to be conducted from a courthouse, already over 60 of americans say they definitely or probably wouldnt support him, and thats before a conviction. The Republican Party has to ask itself, are we going to beat joe biden, because we have a referendum on joe biden, or are we going to doom ourself to the political reality that trump cannot get more votes than a democrat . Let me add another poll to the go ahead. I saw the hooieadline on the release the quinnipiac people put out and it was interesting because it included some of those stats that scott just recited, and then the subhead was trump lengthens lead in primary, desantis fades. Wait, let me add to this. Let me add to this. Theres a new fox poll out sending some very interesting signals. Its a National Poll of republicans. Trump holding on to a broad lead with 53 , but look at the now, from june, down three points, and look at ron desantis. His support slipping as Vivek Ramaswamys numbers are rising. Desantis down 6 points since june, ramaswamy up 6 points since june. Why, david . Well, first of all, hes probably the most vociferous supporter of donald trump among all these candidates. Hes been the guy who has picked up trumps themes, hes actually offered, i think, to help pay some of trumps expenses during all of this. So hes picking up some of that trumpian base. Hes doing what desantis hoped to do, which was to make himself an alternative to trump among trumporiented voters. And, you know, hes quite a personality. I dont know that hes going to be able to surge and become the candidate of the party. If trump doesnt show up, though, here is my prediction, he will represent trumps Point Of View on that platform. He will be the guy fighting Chris Christie over trump. Fascinating. 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