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Im Kaitlan Collins, and this is the source. Only one week left to surrender from now. Actually a little less than that since the deadline is noon next friday. Tonight, we are hearing from sources that donald trump is not expected to do so until next thursday or next friday, that deadline day. And while he will show up to be arrested a fourth time because he has to, we have now learned that he is likely going to be a noshow at the first Republican Debate next wednesday night. With trump, of course, there is always the caveat that he could change his mind. But i am told that he must let the Republican National committee know whether or not he is going to, in fact, be on that stage in milwaukee by monday night at 9 00 p. M. Multiple sources familiar with trumps plans tell cnn that he has basically made up his mind, and he does not plan to be there. Instead, he is expected to sit for an interview with Tucker Carlson that night, Snubbing The Network that is hosting the debate and fired Tucker Carlson. It would not only be a snub to fox news, but also to the Republican National committee, which is holding the debate. The chairwoman Ronna Mcdaniel personally appealed to trump to come. Fox executives did too. They went to his golf club at bedminster to lobby him to go. So far we do know who will be there. Eight candidates have met the rncs polling and donor requirements to qualify for that stage. And we should have a good idea by monday night at this hour who is officially in and who is officially out. That is by the time the gop candidates must deliver their signed Loyalty Pledges to support whoever it is as the eventual nominee. We should note mike pences Campaign Says he signed it today. Our first guest says he has just met the Polling Threshold as well. Lets go straight to the source, miamis mayor and republican president ial candidate, frances soares. You say you have qualified to get on that debate stage wednesday night. The rnc says you have not yet qualified. Are you sure youre going to be there wednesday . Yeah, im sure im going to be there wednesday. Weve been having conversations back and forth. Theyve never done this before. Weve never done this before. And we are crossing our ts and going through the process. For example, weve shown them that weve reached the Donor Threshold by having, i think, 42,000 or so donations. But understandably, they need to audit that. So, theres a process for them to audit that. Weve sent them, just tonight, a couple of polls, including one by strategists, were actually at 2 , which would meet the national polls. Theyre certifying that as well. Its a process. We understand its a process. We did sign the Loyalty Pledge and we expect and hope that very, very shortly, in hopefully the next 24, 48 hours, but certainly by monday well know for certain. Were planning on it. Weve booked hotel reservations. Were inviting people. We have a bunch of guests coming up from miami. Its going to be a wonderful opportunity to introduce myself to the nation. Youre confident, mayor, that the polling will be there. We look at the rncs requirements and cnns reporting on these polls is youve hit 1 in one qualifying national poll. Youve hit one qualifying state poll, but you need one more of each to get on that stage. Are you confident youre going to have those numbers . We are, we are. We sent a poll from kaplan strategies tonight thats a 2 poll. We think that will qualify. Theyre in the process of certifying it. They did go through and scrape it to make sure that it meets all of their requirements. And then, you know, theres other polls that have been already performed, including one that was not paid by another camps campaign, but its a poll that theyve used that theyre also considering certifying. And we believe there will be more polls between now and monday that will also certify. But you havent actually gotten that number yet to where the rnc says, yes, youve made it . Yeah. They have not yet given me that final certification. Theres sort of a back and forth, like i said, and its a process that neither we nor they have ever done before. So, were following it. Were diligent with them. Theyre being very responsive, and were hopeful to have that seal of Approval Certification very shortly. Okay. So, well see if you get that. You say you feel confident you will. If youre on that debate stage on wednesday night, the governor of your home state of florida has been advised to defend donald trump if he gets attacked wednesday night. This is what former new Jersey Governor Chris Christie had to say about that. If he thinks hes going to get on the stage and defend donald trump wednesday night, then he should do donald trump a favor and do our party a favor, come back to tallahassee, endorse donald trump, and get the hell out of the race. What do you make of that . Do you agree if desantis is defending trump at the debate he shouldnt be at the debate, he shouldnt be in the race. Anyone whos going to be in the debate talking about another candidate shouldnt be in the debate. You should be focused on your vision for america. What weve seen is his desire to attack people a certain number of times or compliment people a certain number of times. His spokesman who has an alter ego twitter account put out, you know, a false statement about my campaign and about my voting record. And it seems like theyre not even reading their own research, which they paid god knows how much money for in a 150 Million Campaign where theyre hiring a ton of staff. Theyre not even reading their own research because in the first page it shows that i voted for a republican in 2016 and 2020 and yet they continue to say that. So, theyre a campaign thats struggling to tread water. But meanwhile, were growing, right . We went from 1 to 2 in the latest national poll. So, were excited about the opportunity to really tell the country who we are, introduce ourselves, connect with the country, talk about my policies, but also let them know who i am from a Personality Perspective and why i have the right profile to gain, you know, an advantage in the contest in 2024 and get voters from the hispanic community, get voters that are young voters that we lost by 26 points to joe biden. It sounds like, mayor that you dont think it is your job to defend donald trump wednesday night if hes attacked on that stage and hes not there . No, i dont think its anybodys job. I think, you know, the former president does a fine job defending himself, and hes going to do what hes going to do. Our job, as candidates, is to convince the American People that we are the right alternative. Right now, what it looks like, even though you see polls that say otherwise, is were going to have a repeat of the 2020 election if nothing changes. My job is to inspire people, to give them a hope for a positive tomorrow based on who i am, based on what ive accomplished, and based on, you know, my ability to demonstrate to them that i can win the election and govern the country. Thats what we should be focusing on, not anyone else, to be honest. Just to be clear, youve said those who dont make the stage should drop out. That means even if youre one of those people, right . Yeah, i do agree with that. It goes beyond this one debate. Hopefully ill make the debate. I feel confident that i will. I feel confident that once given the opportunity to introduce myself to the country, ill perform well. Okay, mr. Mayor. Well see let me quickly get in here because you said you have signed that Loyalty Pledge. You have signed, even though youre waiting on them to officially say you can get in that race, you didnt vote for trump in 2016. You didnt vote for him in 2020. Why, as a result of this pledge, would you endorse him in 2024 . Youre presupposing that hes going to be the nominee. Youre not giving me any credit. You dont think im going to be the nominee . Hes the front runner by a lot. Thats okay. He wasnt a front runner at this time in the 2016 race in 2015. So, i think the beauty of this process is the Voters Decide who is the nominee. I pledge to endorse the republican nominee because thats one of the requirements, and i like to follow rules. And thats one of the rules. The party has a right to set that rule, and we should follow that rule. So, if it is donald trump as the nominee and youre right. We dont know yet. Anything could happen. But if it was tomorrow, it looks like it would be him, you are comfortable with endorsing him, even though you didnt vote for him in 2016 or 2020. If thats the case, if were going to go down the hypothetical its a likely hypothetical. Well, whether its likely or not, its a hypothetical, and were talking about someone elses candidacy, not my own. But in that event, part of the reason why im running for president is because im deathly afraid of joe bidens america. Bidenomics is an economic theory where the poor are getting poorer through increased inflation. Its a place where america is getting weaker on the world stage. I missed my childrens first day of school for the first time to campaign for president , and i did that because of my abilities and my ability my feeling i can connect with the American People. But the other part of it is my fear of what happens if joe biden is reelected. And that is a palpable fear. He is not the Statement Candidate that he was four years ago when he said he was going to be a moderate candidate. He was going to heal the country. Hes done none of that. Hes gone to the extreme left. And our country is more divided than its ever been. We need somebody whos going to unify our country, heal our country, and provide opportunities for generational prosperity and the future. To get to joe biden you have to go through donald trump first since he is the front runner. Got to go through all the republican nominees. That is true. There are multiple of you running, and well see who all is on the stage on wednesday night. Trump has been indicted in georgia just on monday. Last time i saw you, we were in miami when trump was being indicted there. Yeah. In georgia, its for his efforts to overturn the election. Can you just say tonight, do you believe that the election in georgia was fair and was legitimate . I have not seen anything any evidence that leads me to believe that it was not fair. I havent delved into the evidence, but i have no reason to believe that its not. I do believe that the former president firmly believes that it was not fair, and i think thats part of the problem with some of these accusations, including particularly the federal one. But im not his lawyer. I dont have to defend him. He can defend himself. I think hes been pretty consistent and adamant about that. He didnt get indicted because he didnt think it wasnt fair though. Its because he tried to overturn the results of the election. Let me be clear. The federal indictment is all about what he knew. And the federal indictment will be about what the prosecutor can prove he knew or did not know. Thats what the federal indictment is about. Well, its also about the scheme to add fake electors, to use the levers of the federal government to try to overturn the election. Its not just Donald Trumps mindset. That is obviously a part of it. Yeah, thats a part of it. I think the other part of it is he listened to attorneys that guided him in a particular direction. And whether or not that was criminal or not. Do you believe that behavior was criminal . Listen, im not a judge and jury. Im not the one putting him on trial. Hes the one thats going to have to defend himself for the charges. Im going to focus on running for president of the United States in the interim and hoping that i can connect with the American People in a way that they give me an opportunity to continue to tell my story so that i can become their president on November 2024 so we dont have to talk about any of these things. I dont want to be talking about impeachments or indictments for president s or former president s any more. I want to be talking about the plan for americas prosperity and future. We will see if you are indeed on that Campaign Stage wednesday night. Thank you for joining us. Thanks for having me, kaitlan. We have Cnn Political Commentator and former Obama White HouseSenior Policy Adviser ashley alison, along with jason osborn here. What do you make of what the mayor had to say . I think its great hes gone from one to two. I think by the time the Elections Come about he may be in the double digits. I agree in any debate, you shouldnt be sitting there defending another candidate. Which is what ron desantis has been advised to do. Which im sure a lot of kapd dats are looking at, how do we thread that needle . I think its fairly easy. From a raub can standpoint, there were a lot of accomplishments made during trumps tenure, some of them trump doesnt even know about, quite frankly. But you can separate the person from the policies and still defend that we want to continue to have a better economy, to lower taxes, to make businesses grow in this country, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, that are different from this administration, without having to defend donald trump and let donald trump be out there on his own, which is what it should be. Thats advice desantis is getting. Does he have the toughest job on wednesday night if donald trump is not up there and hes the person everyone can attack in the back and forth . The next obvious idea is people desantis. I think they all have a tough job because theyre all struggling in comparison to where donald trump is. If you are having a debate and the front runner doesnt show up, it is a telling sign that he does not consider you a serious competitor. He didnt even show up for the game. I do think there is an opportunity for republicans to distinguish themselves. The mayor wouldnt do that in this interview. He wouldnt just say, what donald trump did on january 6th was wrong. I think its wrong, and im going to pivot and talk about how we make this country better. And if people dont do that on wednesday night for the debate, i dont think their Polling Numbers will change one bit. I think donald trump will come out the winner. He will do something to pivot the conversation the next day like turn himself in and talk about how rigged the system is, and they will all be stuck in the same position playing Donald Trumps game rather than being a leader and playing their own game. What do you make of the makeup of the stage, if mayor suarez is on there. He was a late comer to the race. Others are trying to qualify. Asa hutchinson is trying to get on the stage. Its looking to be bigger than initially managed it would be. I go back to the 2016 race where we had the happy hour debate and we had the main stage debate. I dont know. When you start getting folks on the stage that are at the one and two and three and four percent, its not really helping any of the candidates i think your question actually was desantis is obviously going to be the target in this. But i also thing vivek is going to be the target because vivek is untested. If you look at the makeup of the debate stage right now, theres five or six that have Debate Experience and quite frankly one or two that have Debate Experience with multiple candidates on the stage at this level. So, youre going to find that each one of them are trying to figure out how do we put out our policies, but also how do we have that repost response thats just witty and will be remembered and a meme will be made out of it and they can capitalize moving forward. Yeah. How does this look . Donald trump is not expected to show up. He has until monday at 9 00 to make that official, i guess. Candidates are having to prepare. Does he show up or does he not . Theyre prepping for two different debates. I dont think they should be. I think you should be very clear in your vision of what you want to do as president , regardless of donald trump. That has to be im either going to say donald trump was wrong and be very clear whether hes on the debate stage or not. But when people are trying to, well, if hes not there, im going to you can attack donald trump without him being there and be clear about your vision. I agree. I think quite frankly my guess, and im about 30 chance this is going to happen. But i think donald trump is going to turn himself in either right before the debate or during the debate, which will suck all the oxygen out of the room. And then fox is stuck having to air the debate, whereas you and other networks are able to say, wait a minute, donald trump has actually