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Trial three 60, a move that could lead the end of the Trump Organization as we. Not judge finds eric and don jr. Liable for years of fraud on a massive scale. Also, tonight, capital chaos, House Republicans doing one thing, the senate doing another and everything Up In The Air with the Government Shutdown just now five days away. And later, if you you have not seen before. Inside at new york migrant shelter, part of a system authorities is strained to the breaking point. Good evening, thanks for joining us. We begin tonight with Breaking News in new york judge a Domination Determination don jr. Built his Business Empire on fraud. That is in the wake of another judge finding that he also sexually assaulted writer e. Jean carroll and its also, of course, in addition to 91 federally Felony Counts in georgia, florida, and the district of columbia. Todays Summary Fraud Judgment essentially amplifying, underscoring and laying out in great detail what former Trump Attorney and fixer Michael Cohen famously admitted in congressional testimony back in 2019. To your knowledge, did the president or his company ever inflate assets or revenues . Yes. And was that done with the president s knowledge or direction . Everything was done with the knowledge and at the direction of mr. Trump. So, thats one way of describing it. The judge in his ruling today puts it more vividly, actually comparing the trump fraud defense to a Chico Marks Line in Marx Brothers classic duck soup. Who are you going to . Believe me or your own eyes . Cnns Kara Scannell joins us now with details. If you can, breakdown, whats in this ruling . Yeah, anderson. This is a huge loss for donald trump and for his family and his family business. The judge finding that he engaged in fraud for a decade by inflating the value of some of his more key Marquee Properties on Financial Statements provided a number of business hundred actions, with a judge saying that all trumps explanation for how he came up with the values for some of his assets he called it a fantasy world, not the real world. Specifically, he singled out trumps xxx apartment at trump tower in manhattan. Trump had inflated the value of that property, including just the mere and the judge saying that that massive discrepancy could only mean fraud. He also said that he was ordering that certificates of business to operate in New York State state be canceled, and that he would put in Place A Receiver to dissolve the business. Exactly what that will look like remains unclear at this point. There is a lot of confusion, even among the parties, about how that will play out. But it could significantly reshape what the Trump Organization looks like and whether it has a footprint in new york city. Anderson . What does that mean for the business in new york city . Is he out of his in new york . Theres still a lot of buildings with his name on them. A lot of people are yeah, and people are trying to figure out what this means. Because the Trump Organization is, essentially, 400 different llcs. And they are all for each of the properties that he owns. The new York State Attorney general would have jurisdiction over those that are in new york. So, it is possible, the way that the shakes out is that there will no longer be a trump tower owned by dont trump. There will no longer be the Seven Springs Family Compound in westchester county. But there are still questions here about what that will look like. Is it possible he could transfer these assets out of state . There are questions here that people are trying to grapple with. And the Trump Organization itself is trying to, i think, get their hands on what this is going to mean for them. And have the former president or his sons responded . Yeah. So, his son, eric trump, who essentially leads the company on a daytoday basis said, look, the judge and the Attorney General are trying to destroy their company. Now, trumps attorney, chris kais, who is representing him at his action said, todays outrageous decision is completely disconnected from the facts, governing law, with the full impact of the decision remains unclear. What is clear is that President Trump and his family will seek all available appellate remedies to rectify this miscarriage of justice. But they are already appealing before the appeals court. The start of this trial because they think the judge has not implemented correctly what claims would actually be covered by this. So, they are hoping that the Appellate Court will narrow even the scope of what the judge overseeing this case could look at, saying that certain claims fell outside of the statute of limitations. We are expecting the Appellate Court to rule this week on that. But as of now, the trial is still in limbo, but is currently scheduled to start on monday, anderson. We Kara Scannell, appreciate appreciate it. With me now elie honig, david axelrod, kaitlan collins, also joining us, tony schwartz, the ghost writer for trumps part of the deal, and trump biographer David Cay Johnston. Elie, how where is a ruling like . This its extraordinary. And so clear that i am deciding, in this case, that i am in favor of the internee general. Its not even going to a jury on the question of whether donald trump in the Trump Organization were engaged in repetitive frauds. That is the judges finding. It is really it is a scorching ruling. The judge outright rejects all of the defenses we have heard from donald trump over the years, the main one being subjectivity. Your honor, Donald Trumps team argued, there is always an element of subjectivity and evaluation. What with the Appeal Process look like . The first thing down trump is going to want to do, and its, teams get a stay. Meaning, okay, judge, we know that, as of now, that business to difficulties suspended. We want you to put that on hold while we appeal. Then donald trump will have the right to appeal this up to the intermediate new York State Court and then potentially the Top Appeals Court in new york. That will take months. But that day is going to be a key issue because that is one determine whether he can stay in business as of the next couple of weeks, years, months. David, obviously the strikes at the heart of the perception of donald trump, and many people, this view of this genius businessman, and, of course, there was fraud involved. Does it do you think it has the same impact these other indictments have had, which is boosting in support among his voters . Yet, until i see evidence otherwise, i would guess i dont know if it will be support among his supporters. But i think that he has created a construct under whichs supporters believe that he is being unfairly targeted. He will argue that i did nothing that any other businessman would have done. But they are coming after me for the same reasons he says they are coming after him on all these other cases. And i suspect with his supporters it will land that way. He had to step back. Whatever you think about donald trump and his ability to brand himself is breathtaking. And history will record that. So, he has told people on this narrative. I think it is going to be hard to dislodge this narrative, no matter what the judge writes. Kaitlan, are you hearing anything from trump camp . Obviously, its a devastating blow to them. s attorneys have been trying in recent days, all these legal maneuvers that were kind of seen as hail marys, but were trying to get to this two aa went to trial, which is scheduled to do next monday, that they would be able to have a different judge or maybe get it thrown. How this was clearly a rebuke of that. And i think, obviously, they are angry. Kris hice, his attorney, says they are going to appeal this. But i think that what is at the heart of that is that we talk about how many trump investigations, everything that is facing him. If they stand, if that appeal is not granted and they do not win out, here this is the first time we have seen a Government Investigation and the result and some kind of punishment for him. I mean, he is facing all these other criminal counts that are incredibly serious. But this would be the first time and it cuts right at the heart of the center of who dont trump says he is. And tony, you helped create a lot of that myth of who donald trump is. Working with him all those years ago on the art of th e deal, did you get a whiff of fraud in terms of how he valued or handled his real estate . Absolutely. I have said it many times. But he invents reality every day, to fit what he wants it to be. And he has demeaned the value of truth in a way that has gotten natchez has he been able to brand himself, as david said, but on all kinds of follow along and imitators who are now doing the same. So, this is who he is. He is a congenital liar. He is a sociopath in the sense that he does not have a conscience. So, this does not bother him at all. This is the donald trump i met. This is the donald trump existed a ten years old, and its adele trump of today. David cay johnston, this as someone who has followed an investigated trumps finances for years, how significant is this in your mind, especially as trumps our team has argued that the Property Valuations are subjective . Well, as of this moment, donald trump is out of business in new york. Because all of his business certificates, business licenses, in effect, have been canceled. But the decision by the judges devastating. He finds five trump lawyer 70 500 each. He shows that they told the various Court Decisions they cite or statutes say one thing, and the judges, no, you either clip the quote or misstated the law to say the opposite. He does not give them a single bit of ground anywhere. And he shows examples we have where trump said, this was sort of a range of numbers, or around a number. He says, no. When you value something a quarter of A Billion Dollars more than the a small fraction of that, that is not reasonable. And so, this was absolutely devastating for donald trump. And unless a court of appeals overturned this, which i would think is highly unlikely, we are going to see this properties seized, dissolved, and the creditors paid off. And he will be permanently out of business in new york. So, david, what exactly does that mean . So, trump tower which, i guess he owns, that would no longer be trump tower . It may be called trump tower. But in New York State, you can own a business as an individual. I write books for a living, as tony does. Owned by me, but if i incorporated and became David Cay Johnston llc, then i have to have permission from the state and a license. And a judge has now vitiated, destroyed, all those licenses. So, donald trump, unless he reinstates, it can no longer do business. Hes no longer in business and New York State. And eventually those businesses would be dissolve, just as what happened in a bankruptcy case, where there is a liquidation. The the creditors, and the judge ultimately finds that, due to the state of new york, would come out of those proceeds. And a key point that the judge makes is, this is not about restitution. This is about discouragement of ill gotten gains. You lied in the assessment that you used, the Financial Statement that you use, and that made he said criminal law. But this is a civil case. Elie honig, let me ask you about this. Why would this be charges a civil case and not a criminal case, considering the fraud that was laid out . Its a great question. I was actually one of the same thing when i was reading this. When you are talking about fraud oftentimes the value, you have to wonder that. If i had to get inside the Attorney General, Letitia James head, and maybe the district attorneys head here its not a technical problem but an Atmosphere Problem is there is not an obvious victim here. Typically, in a fraud case, you lie to a bank, you lied to investors, you make off with their money, dont pay them. Back here, the conundrum is, the trump org generally did pay these loans back that week they got with these inflated numbers, with interest. So, you can still charge that is a criminal fraud. But a prosecutor saying, how is this going to play with the jury it does not have as much appeal without a victim. David, does this create any kind of does it change the dynamic for President Biden in terms of how he runs against he has already been accused of fraud multiple times. I remember Mike Bloomberg at the democratic convention, calling him a fake billionaire, words to that effect. I think the one thing we have not seen is if, in the coming months, there are criminal convictions, and he is a convicted felon, does that change peoples view . But this Campaign Goes on in stages. And in what we have seen is, as you pointed out earlier, with each legal setback, he gains politically. And he is a very strong position. And the irony of all of this is, he goes on trial on march 4th on the january 6th case. They say it will go eight weeks. You look at the primary calendar. He could literally we named the nominee of the Republican Party in a convicted felon on the same day. Tony, how much do you think this undermines the former president s persona as a Real Estate Tycoon . We are so polarized now that i think, as david is saying, that for those who believe trump is being treated badly, they will continue to feel that. And for the rest of us, we will continue to believe that this is one more piece of evidence about who he is. It is a it gives new meaning to the word surreal, to imagine what david just said, that, on the same day, you could have a criminal conviction and the crowning of him as the republican candidate for president. I dont see how in a world where trump ends up winning, losing in some of these cases, being convicted, and also becoming president , where democracy David Cay Johnston, is it clear to what kind of shape the Trump Organization is in right. Now i know you said all the llcs arnold. But just even before this, while over the last year or so, you know how its been doing . When i teach molesters about, this will be like Embezzled Mike on the bank. Made some winning bets at the horse truck, put money back. That this would undo your crime if the bank got its money back the next day. So, we dont know. The monitors reports, George Barbara jones reports should ultimately tell us about this. And the values that are received for his properties. We can be certain, theyre going to be significantly below the belt claimed. And just keep in mind, there has never been a scintilla of evidence that donald trump ever had A Billion Dollar net worth. Yes. And caitlin, its just one does have to pause and think, you know, the strange universe that we live in, a judge has found him guilty of sexual assault. A judge has now found him guilty of this massive fraud. And he is facing all of these criminal counts. Its extraordinary. We talk so much about the big investigations, when will the charles actually happen, if he is convicted, what he actually face jail time . I mean, this is the most the fact that he is facing it strikes into the heart of what he cares about the most, which is as money. If the judge is saying the core of this holds up, that this is right, its still going to go to trial. What if theres a cash judgment here . What does that mean . Could he ends up declaring bankruptcy . We dont know, and that could be something that happens way before anything with the federal cases. Could his pack payoff this money . Yeah. Someone can help you pay a judgment. I dont know if that would violate Campaign Finance laws, it probably would, to transfer money over to an individual to pay illegal judgment. I imagine that would violate Campaign Finance laws. But this judgment here, it doesnt depend on aloft to the banks. Its ill gotten gains. This could be a court of A Billion Dollars, 250 million or more. I dont know that trump has that. Do you think he has that . No, i dont think hes liquid in that way. He has raised money and he has funds where theres money, but he personally, has that kind of cash . No. And this is the end of the story. Because he wrote the art of and in the book, he describes one fraud after another in that book. Which none of the reviewers at the time seemed to catch on to. This is how donald has done this his whole life. He is the most successful con man in world history. Thank you. Keelans going to be top special guest Michael Cohen coming up next, more Trump Organization<\/a> as we. Not judge finds eric and don jr. Liable for years of fraud on a massive scale. Also, tonight, capital chaos, House Republicans<\/a> doing one thing, the senate doing another and everything Up In The Air<\/a> with the Government Shutdown<\/a> just now five days away. And later, if you you have not seen before. Inside at new york migrant shelter, part of a system authorities is strained to the breaking point. Good evening, thanks for joining us. We begin tonight with Breaking News<\/a> in new york judge a Domination Determination<\/a> don jr. Built his Business Empire<\/a> on fraud. That is in the wake of another judge finding that he also sexually assaulted writer e. Jean carroll and its also, of course, in addition to 91 federally Felony Counts<\/a> in georgia, florida, and the district of columbia. Todays Summary Fraud Judgment<\/a> essentially amplifying, underscoring and laying out in great detail what former Trump Attorney<\/a> and fixer Michael Cohen<\/a> famously admitted in congressional testimony back in 2019. To your knowledge, did the president or his company ever inflate assets or revenues . Yes. And was that done with the president s knowledge or direction . Everything was done with the knowledge and at the direction of mr. Trump. So, thats one way of describing it. The judge in his ruling today puts it more vividly, actually comparing the trump fraud defense to a Chico Marks Line<\/a> in Marx Brothers<\/a> classic duck soup. Who are you going to . Believe me or your own eyes . Cnns Kara Scannell<\/a> joins us now with details. If you can, breakdown, whats in this ruling . Yeah, anderson. This is a huge loss for donald trump and for his family and his family business. The judge finding that he engaged in fraud for a decade by inflating the value of some of his more key Marquee Properties<\/a> on Financial Statements<\/a> provided a number of business hundred actions, with a judge saying that all trumps explanation for how he came up with the values for some of his assets he called it a fantasy world, not the real world. Specifically, he singled out trumps xxx apartment at trump tower in manhattan. Trump had inflated the value of that property, including just the mere and the judge saying that that massive discrepancy could only mean fraud. He also said that he was ordering that certificates of business to operate in New York State<\/a> state be canceled, and that he would put in Place A Receiver<\/a> to dissolve the business. Exactly what that will look like remains unclear at this point. There is a lot of confusion, even among the parties, about how that will play out. But it could significantly reshape what the Trump Organization<\/a> looks like and whether it has a footprint in new york city. Anderson . What does that mean for the business in new york city . Is he out of his in new york . Theres still a lot of buildings with his name on them. A lot of people are yeah, and people are trying to figure out what this means. Because the Trump Organization<\/a> is, essentially, 400 different llcs. And they are all for each of the properties that he owns. The new York State Attorney<\/a> general would have jurisdiction over those that are in new york. So, it is possible, the way that the shakes out is that there will no longer be a trump tower owned by dont trump. There will no longer be the Seven Springs<\/a> Family Compound<\/a> in westchester county. But there are still questions here about what that will look like. Is it possible he could transfer these assets out of state . There are questions here that people are trying to grapple with. And the Trump Organization<\/a> itself is trying to, i think, get their hands on what this is going to mean for them. And have the former president or his sons responded . Yeah. So, his son, eric trump, who essentially leads the company on a daytoday basis said, look, the judge and the Attorney General<\/a> are trying to destroy their company. Now, trumps attorney, chris kais, who is representing him at his action said, todays outrageous decision is completely disconnected from the facts, governing law, with the full impact of the decision remains unclear. What is clear is that President Trump<\/a> and his family will seek all available appellate remedies to rectify this miscarriage of justice. But they are already appealing before the appeals court. The start of this trial because they think the judge has not implemented correctly what claims would actually be covered by this. So, they are hoping that the Appellate Court<\/a> will narrow even the scope of what the judge overseeing this case could look at, saying that certain claims fell outside of the statute of limitations. We are expecting the Appellate Court<\/a> to rule this week on that. But as of now, the trial is still in limbo, but is currently scheduled to start on monday, anderson. We Kara Scannell<\/a>, appreciate appreciate it. With me now elie honig, david axelrod, kaitlan collins, also joining us, tony schwartz, the ghost writer for trumps part of the deal, and trump biographer David Cay Johnston<\/a>. Elie, how where is a ruling like . This its extraordinary. And so clear that i am deciding, in this case, that i am in favor of the internee general. Its not even going to a jury on the question of whether donald trump in the Trump Organization<\/a> were engaged in repetitive frauds. That is the judges finding. It is really it is a scorching ruling. The judge outright rejects all of the defenses we have heard from donald trump over the years, the main one being subjectivity. Your honor, Donald Trumps<\/a> team argued, there is always an element of subjectivity and evaluation. What with the Appeal Process<\/a> look like . The first thing down trump is going to want to do, and its, teams get a stay. Meaning, okay, judge, we know that, as of now, that business to difficulties suspended. We want you to put that on hold while we appeal. Then donald trump will have the right to appeal this up to the intermediate new York State Court<\/a> and then potentially the Top Appeals Court<\/a> in new york. That will take months. But that day is going to be a key issue because that is one determine whether he can stay in business as of the next couple of weeks, years, months. David, obviously the strikes at the heart of the perception of donald trump, and many people, this view of this genius businessman, and, of course, there was fraud involved. Does it do you think it has the same impact these other indictments have had, which is boosting in support among his voters . Yet, until i see evidence otherwise, i would guess i dont know if it will be support among his supporters. But i think that he has created a construct under whichs supporters believe that he is being unfairly targeted. He will argue that i did nothing that any other businessman would have done. But they are coming after me for the same reasons he says they are coming after him on all these other cases. And i suspect with his supporters it will land that way. He had to step back. Whatever you think about donald trump and his ability to brand himself is breathtaking. And history will record that. So, he has told people on this narrative. I think it is going to be hard to dislodge this narrative, no matter what the judge writes. Kaitlan, are you hearing anything from trump camp . Obviously, its a devastating blow to them. s attorneys have been trying in recent days, all these legal maneuvers that were kind of seen as hail marys, but were trying to get to this two aa went to trial, which is scheduled to do next monday, that they would be able to have a different judge or maybe get it thrown. How this was clearly a rebuke of that. And i think, obviously, they are angry. Kris hice, his attorney, says they are going to appeal this. But i think that what is at the heart of that is that we talk about how many trump investigations, everything that is facing him. If they stand, if that appeal is not granted and they do not win out, here this is the first time we have seen a Government Investigation<\/a> and the result and some kind of punishment for him. I mean, he is facing all these other criminal counts that are incredibly serious. But this would be the first time and it cuts right at the heart of the center of who dont trump says he is. And tony, you helped create a lot of that myth of who donald trump is. Working with him all those years ago on the art of th e deal, did you get a whiff of fraud in terms of how he valued or handled his real estate . Absolutely. I have said it many times. But he invents reality every day, to fit what he wants it to be. And he has demeaned the value of truth in a way that has gotten natchez has he been able to brand himself, as david said, but on all kinds of follow along and imitators who are now doing the same. So, this is who he is. He is a congenital liar. He is a sociopath in the sense that he does not have a conscience. So, this does not bother him at all. This is the donald trump i met. This is the donald trump existed a ten years old, and its adele trump of today. David cay johnston, this as someone who has followed an investigated trumps finances for years, how significant is this in your mind, especially as trumps our team has argued that the Property Valuations<\/a> are subjective . Well, as of this moment, donald trump is out of business in new york. Because all of his business certificates, business licenses, in effect, have been canceled. But the decision by the judges devastating. He finds five trump lawyer 70 500 each. He shows that they told the various Court Decisions<\/a> they cite or statutes say one thing, and the judges, no, you either clip the quote or misstated the law to say the opposite. He does not give them a single bit of ground anywhere. And he shows examples we have where trump said, this was sort of a range of numbers, or around a number. He says, no. When you value something a quarter of A Billion Dollars<\/a> more than the a small fraction of that, that is not reasonable. And so, this was absolutely devastating for donald trump. And unless a court of appeals overturned this, which i would think is highly unlikely, we are going to see this properties seized, dissolved, and the creditors paid off. And he will be permanently out of business in new york. So, david, what exactly does that mean . So, trump tower which, i guess he owns, that would no longer be trump tower . It may be called trump tower. But in New York State<\/a>, you can own a business as an individual. I write books for a living, as tony does. Owned by me, but if i incorporated and became David Cay Johnston<\/a> llc, then i have to have permission from the state and a license. And a judge has now vitiated, destroyed, all those licenses. So, donald trump, unless he reinstates, it can no longer do business. Hes no longer in business and New York State<\/a>. And eventually those businesses would be dissolve, just as what happened in a bankruptcy case, where there is a liquidation. The the creditors, and the judge ultimately finds that, due to the state of new york, would come out of those proceeds. And a key point that the judge makes is, this is not about restitution. This is about discouragement of ill gotten gains. You lied in the assessment that you used, the Financial Statement<\/a> that you use, and that made he said criminal law. But this is a civil case. Elie honig, let me ask you about this. Why would this be charges a civil case and not a criminal case, considering the fraud that was laid out . Its a great question. I was actually one of the same thing when i was reading this. When you are talking about fraud oftentimes the value, you have to wonder that. If i had to get inside the Attorney General<\/a>, Letitia James<\/a> head, and maybe the district attorneys head here its not a technical problem but an Atmosphere Problem<\/a> is there is not an obvious victim here. Typically, in a fraud case, you lie to a bank, you lied to investors, you make off with their money, dont pay them. Back here, the conundrum is, the trump org generally did pay these loans back that week they got with these inflated numbers, with interest. So, you can still charge that is a criminal fraud. But a prosecutor saying, how is this going to play with the jury it does not have as much appeal without a victim. David, does this create any kind of does it change the dynamic for President Biden<\/a> in terms of how he runs against he has already been accused of fraud multiple times. I remember Mike Bloomberg<\/a> at the democratic convention, calling him a fake billionaire, words to that effect. I think the one thing we have not seen is if, in the coming months, there are criminal convictions, and he is a convicted felon, does that change peoples view . But this Campaign Goes<\/a> on in stages. And in what we have seen is, as you pointed out earlier, with each legal setback, he gains politically. And he is a very strong position. And the irony of all of this is, he goes on trial on march 4th on the january 6th case. They say it will go eight weeks. You look at the primary calendar. He could literally we named the nominee of the Republican Party<\/a> in a convicted felon on the same day. Tony, how much do you think this undermines the former president s persona as a Real Estate Tycoon<\/a> . We are so polarized now that i think, as david is saying, that for those who believe trump is being treated badly, they will continue to feel that. And for the rest of us, we will continue to believe that this is one more piece of evidence about who he is. It is a it gives new meaning to the word surreal, to imagine what david just said, that, on the same day, you could have a criminal conviction and the crowning of him as the republican candidate for president. I dont see how in a world where trump ends up winning, losing in some of these cases, being convicted, and also becoming president , where democracy David Cay Johnston<\/a>, is it clear to what kind of shape the Trump Organization<\/a> is in right. Now i know you said all the llcs arnold. But just even before this, while over the last year or so, you know how its been doing . When i teach molesters about, this will be like Embezzled Mike<\/a> on the bank. Made some winning bets at the horse truck, put money back. That this would undo your crime if the bank got its money back the next day. So, we dont know. The monitors reports, George Barbara<\/a> jones reports should ultimately tell us about this. And the values that are received for his properties. We can be certain, theyre going to be significantly below the belt claimed. And just keep in mind, there has never been a scintilla of evidence that donald trump ever had A Billion Dollar<\/a> net worth. Yes. And caitlin, its just one does have to pause and think, you know, the strange universe that we live in, a judge has found him guilty of sexual assault. A judge has now found him guilty of this massive fraud. And he is facing all of these criminal counts. Its extraordinary. We talk so much about the big investigations, when will the charles actually happen, if he is convicted, what he actually face jail time . I mean, this is the most the fact that he is facing it strikes into the heart of what he cares about the most, which is as money. If the judge is saying the core of this holds up, that this is right, its still going to go to trial. What if theres a cash judgment here . What does that mean . Could he ends up declaring bankruptcy . We dont know, and that could be something that happens way before anything with the federal cases. Could his pack payoff this money . Yeah. Someone can help you pay a judgment. I dont know if that would violate Campaign Finance<\/a> laws, it probably would, to transfer money over to an individual to pay illegal judgment. I imagine that would violate Campaign Finance<\/a> laws. But this judgment here, it doesnt depend on aloft to the banks. Its ill gotten gains. This could be a court of A Billion Dollars<\/a>, 250 million or more. I dont know that trump has that. Do you think he has that . No, i dont think hes liquid in that way. He has raised money and he has funds where theres money, but he personally, has that kind of cash . No. And this is the end of the story. Because he wrote the art of and in the book, he describes one fraud after another in that book. Which none of the reviewers at the time seemed to catch on to. This is how donald has done this his whole life. He is the most successful con man in world history. Thank you. Keelans going to be top special guest Michael Cohen<\/a> coming up next, more Breaking News<\/a>. A live report where the government still trying to bring his own also, what Cassidy Hundreds<\/a> and told jake tapper about the threat she feels her oval office would pose to the country if he is reelected president. That much more from her conversation with jake on three 60. More Breaking News<\/a> tonight as the slowly begins move at all and the deadline to get all of this done is still Sunday Morning<\/a> at 12 01. Cnns is at the capitol today, were a lot of things appear to be in motion right now. What we know about where things stand in the house tonight, including the threats to Speaker Mccarthy<\/a> . So, House Republicans<\/a> just moved to advance a package of long term Spending Bills<\/a>. This is a routine procedural vote. Normally we probably wouldnt be talking about this kind of vote, but it is important tonight because last week as similar vote failed twice on the house floor. So speaker Kevin Mccarthy<\/a> was under a lot of pressure to show that he can govern. But we should note that none of those Spending Bills<\/a> that i mentioned are going to pass in the senate. Speaker Kevin Mccarthy<\/a> is still hoping that this process can build some good will with a hard line conservatives, who are opposed to some of their Spending Bills<\/a>, and that eventually will rally around a stopgap plan to keep government open. That includes some conservative priorities, like Spending Cuts<\/a> and Border Security<\/a>. But so far none of those members are showing theyre willing to give, and i caught up with a number of them and that includes congressman matt gaetz. Who actually took to the house floor once again to threaten mccarthys speakership tonight. In fact, hes walking upright now. He hasnt said when he would issue that motion to vacate, but it is clear that Kevin Mccarthy<\/a> has a lot on the line this week. How does this all square with whats going on in the senate . Theyre on a collision court. Over in the senate, chuck schumer, the democratic leader, and mitch mcconnell, the republican leader, have all agreed on their own stopgap plan that would keep the government open. It includes around 6 million in ukraine money. They have already taken steps to start advancing that bill. But House Republicans<\/a> are already panicking. First, they dont like that includes even a modest amount of ukraine money, and that also signaling tonight that any bill to fund the government is going to have to include Border Security<\/a> provisions. Thats emerged as a red line on the eve of this shutdown deadline. So clearly it is going to be a showdown between the house and senate in the days ahead. So whats the likelihood of a shutdown . I would say that the question bouncing around the capital right now is not if theres going to be a Government Shutdown<\/a>, its how long is that Government Shutdown<\/a> going to last . And that is because there are so many factors that are up against the leadership. The first one being the clock. Obviously these things take time. If youre trying to balance a bill back and forth between the house in the senate, its not a quick process. So they only have a couple days to do that. And the other factor is that Kevin Mccarthy<\/a>, at this point, wont work with democrats because hes worried about threats to his speakership. But he also cant work with his own republican members. So hes really at a crossroads, and ultimately for Kevin Mccarthy<\/a>, it may come down to choosing between keeping the government open or keeping his speakership. Anderson . I appreciate it. I spoke with congresswoman nikki cheryl. Shes a democrat from new jersey. Shes a democrat from the Armed Services<\/a> committee and a former Navy Helicopter<\/a> pilot. Congresswoman, how confident are you tonight that a Government Shutdown<\/a> can be averted . Well, im not incredibly confident. Im very hopeful. We see the Senate Republicans<\/a> and the Senate Democrats<\/a> working together. We know that House Democrats<\/a> are ready to avert a shutdown. I think the concern right now is really just the fact that the speakers pretty much determines that he is going to follow the lead of the farright extremists in his own conference, which is presenting grave problems for keeping the government open. It could go around the handful of holdups by working with democrats to pass a bipartisan stark at measure to keep it open. Do you think he would never do that . Because obviously lawmakers on his hard right have threatened to oust him if he does. I really hope that he would consider more than simply his job. As the speaker of the house, i hope he is concerned about governing. I hope hes very concerned about keeping our government open. Unfortunately, former President Trump<\/a> has encouraged members to shut down the government. We see at the far right, many of whom who have said they dont seem to care about keeping the government open. They dont want to compromise. Its really leading two untenable situation for the speaker. So hopefully he will realize that shortly and we can start to Work Together<\/a> to keep our government open. You just mentioned whats going on in the senate. The short Term Government<\/a> funding deal that schumer and mcconnell agreed to today. Senator rand paul is already threatening to take it if ukraine funding stays and. Mccarthy says hes going to add in the gops Border Security<\/a> package where do you think that leaves things in the senate . You know, i think this is it is such a misreading by people in our legislative branch about how important ukrainian funding is. Its surprising to me, because i sit on the house Armed Services<\/a> committee, i sit on the committee for the strategic competition with the Chinese Communist<\/a> party. I work with the intelligence committee, i work with the Foreign Affairs<\/a> committee. So many people in that space understand how important this fight in ukraine is. Not just to the sovereignty and the democracy of ukraine itself, but as we push back against our longtime adversary, putin. Who is continuing to try to undermine the United States<\/a>. As we know that china is taking a hard look at invading taiwan, what that might mean visavis this Invasion Putin<\/a> has going with ukraine and us our nato allies come together to find this off. So its really critically important that we support ukraine in their fight here. You were one of the first to call on senator bob mendes, a fellow democrat to resign in the wake of the corruption indictment. He has said hes not going to do that. Booker is also calling him to resign as well as other senators. No, im really focused on running for my seat here in the house. As you can see this week, its critically important, i think, that we have new leadership in the house of representatives. Which i hope well see after 2024. And in the meantime, worked very hard to figure out pathways for it, even in these very partisan times. You heard him say his explanation for why he had close to half 1 Million Dollars<\/a> in cash at his home, saying it was an Old Fashioned<\/a> from his familys days in cuba. Didnt explain the gold barbs. Did you buy that . I think there was a lot left to be desired without explanation. And i think he should resign, focus on his defense, and we can move forward with whats best for the people of new jersey and for the United States<\/a>. I appreciate your time, thank you. Thanks so much. Up next, Cassidy Hutchinson<\/a> one of the with new revelations about the chaotic final days inside the trump white house. When Cassidy Hutchinson<\/a> testified for the january six committee. It became abundantly clear Chief Of Staff<\/a> mark meadows. Now the publication of her book enough. The window into a chaotic unhinged, and certainly unprecedented moment in American History<\/a> opened wider. In it, she writes that meadows told her early on. If she can quote, managed to keep trump out of jail, i will have done a good job. Speaking today with jake tapper, she talked about what it was like inside of the west wing and wanted her view of if a former president should ever be president again. Especially the trump administration, and in 2020. Every day was a hair on fire day. We were swimming to stay on vote but most of us were drowning. I think donald trump is the most grave threat we will face in our democracy. When he says things like he did on truth social the other day, that he wants to curtail freedom of the process for certain channels and that sort of thing, you take him literally. You think he actually means it in the second term that he would do that. I think that donald trump in a second term does not have any would not have guardrails. Perspective now from political commentator sarah matthews, who worked with Cassidy Hutchison<\/a> and who helped guide her through her appearance before the house january 6th committee. Do you have similar concerns that Cassidy Hutchinson<\/a> does about a second trump term having no guardrails . I do have those same concerns. Because i think one of the things cassidy, myself, and i think other people who worked for trump and have come out and spoken out against him get asked often is why did you work for him in the first place . And i feel a sense of duty to serve my country, even though i didnt always necessarily agree with everything he said 100 of the time. But i think im still concerned about whos going to be staffing and Donald Trump Administration<\/a> if he gets back into the white house . The quality of people, because that something that cassidy has been raising the alarm about as well. Is who is going to be advising him and surrounding him in making these decisions . I think theyre encouraging his worst instincts, and he has shown clearly that he has no regard for the constitution or the institutional norms of the office. And he shouldnt be allowed to step foot back into the oval office. If you dont have quality people around you, there are a lot more hair on fire days as Cassidy Hutchinson<\/a> describes it. Did you have those days . Yes. I was in the Communications Office<\/a> working for him as the deputy press secretary, in one tweet he could ruin our whole day that we had planned of positive communication plants and that was the norm. So i cant even imagine what a second term for him would be like, just given everything thats happened since he left office. You helped prep Cassidy Hutchinson<\/a> for the general six committee. Can you talk about having these misgivings . What did you think of them then . Anderson, i worked with sara as well when she came to the committee. And cassidy was incredibly poised. I think when you saw her, when she was on testifying to 13 million americans for that hearing. But beforehand, she was nervous. She had a lot of facts that she had to get right and keep straight, and i think what we know is that she did keep those straight. We as a Committee Standby<\/a> her testimony. We talk or try to talk to many men that either pled to us or didnt come to talk to us at all. Her boss Smart Battles<\/a> is one of them. We found him in contempt of congress. But she was nerd nervous leading up to it. I, as a young woman myself, was really impressed at how she came off and how shes continued to. She also had a trump Aide Attorney<\/a> initially, who according to the book, advised her that the less you say, the better. She writes that she had started to try to back Channel Stuff<\/a> to the committee. Can you talk about that . Liz cheney was the key to this committee. She provided legitimacy when it comes to the nonpartisan investigation, because she is obviously a wall known republican. But she also was a great person to talk to these republicans, who might want to reach out, feel more comfortable with a republican like liz cheney, who really her party to talk to the january six committee. So when cassidy was going, and she spoke about this today. She felt that it was wrong inside of her, but as a young person in washington, its hard to know what to do all the time. And liz cheney provided that avenue for her and i think for others that testified to the committee as well. I would like to note as well that i had a similar experience with liz cheney, and she did give me that comfort to be able to come forward. She actually contacted me through someone and asked about whether i would be willing to speak, knowing that i had resigned and if id be interested in cooperating with the committee. She had a private oneonone condo with me where we sought and her hideaway in the capital in the basement of the governor building, for around four hours and talk to me about what i knew and what i have witnessed and then from that conversation i went forward and did at taped deposition, which led to be publicly testifying. So i think for some kathy was 25 years old when she testified. And i think that liz cheney really empowered us to have the courage to come forward, just knowing the backlash that we were going to face. She really was a huge reason for both of us, for what we did it. One thing that she said you jake, she believes that the former president knew exactly what he was saying and doing on january 6th. Donald trump also knows the impact that is words have, and he knows the impact that this presence has on his supporters. He knows that he himself ralls people up. He knew that the crowd was armed that day. He knew that there were people angry about this. So im knowing donald trump, knowing what i knew inside the white house, that was not a mistake. He did not want to just go to the capital to go there and make a little speech and go back to the white house. Which was interesting, because when he now posts riling people up about the judges in various cases against him, or about jack smith, its he obviously knows the potential impact of the words he uses. 100 percent. And i think he learned nothing from january 6th, and if anything, it just emboldened him to continue to try to use his supporters in a way that is dangerous. And i think i have been to so many trump rallies when i worked for him. He knows how to fire up a crowd and exactly what to say that will kind of light that fuse. And i think thats really dangerous when he knows the power he has, and his posts have only gotten more and increasingly erratic. Thank you so much, and thank you. Appreciate it. Coming up, a surge of migrants arriving in new york city, all in of housing and support. Cmon, were right there. Cmon baby. Its the only we need. Go, go, go, go ah Touchdown Baby<\/a> touchdown are your neighbors watching the same game . Yeah, my 5g Home Internet<\/a> delays the game a bit. But you get used to it. Try these. Theyre noise cancelling earmuffs. I stole them from an airport. Its always something with you, man. Great solid greek salad . Exactly dont delay the game with verizon or tmobile 5g Home Internet<\/a>. Catch it on the xfinity 10g network. Last night we brought you striking images of a migrant camp in central america, the people you see there in venezuela, still thousands of miles from the, u. S. But hoping to cross the southern border. This is the morning that stood out for one of the most dangerous areas of the journey to the border, a stretch between columbia and panama known as the darien gap. The u. S. Is dealing with a backlog of deportation cases, all 50 states are receiving new immigrants. No city has had to deal with that backlog like new york city. According to data for august collected by syracuse university, new york dealt with north more than twice the number of migrant cases as the most inundated city. As they try to figure out what is next. Wearing a new york baseball hat, jorge describes a treacherous journey to the United States<\/a> from ecuador. Through rivers and over mountains, he says now finally ending in new york. This is your son . I clean bed, new clothes, and a hot meal for his family. His children, alejandro and georgina, just finished their first week in a new york city school. Were you, cookies. Translator were happy with everything here. After mayor eric adams said the Migrant Crisis<\/a> would destroy new york city this is another side, or theyre doing a lot of intake. Cnn spent 24 hours at the citys main migrant intake facility. A Buzzing Nonstop Operation<\/a> at the roosevelt hotel. Outside, its shocking. The number of people, even for a city like new york. Its something you dont expect to see. Just a stones throw from grandstander station, in the Beating Heart<\/a> of midtown manhattan. Migrant families have just arrived, and wait for a place inside. Single men wait next door in what was once the hotel bar. Job, what kind of job . Everything. Are these the phones that they use inside . Sim cards . This is john carlo espinosa. He has spent ten days in a room at a hotel with his wife and two children. Tonight, he is trying to buy a new cell phone. It will cost 20 to replace the one he lost three weeks ago, crossing the rio grande in texas. Along with all of his families close and belongings. I need a phone so i can get work, he says. 20 is all i have. I ask for jobs and they all ask me to leave a phone number, and i dont have one. So i need this. Its very hard. How has it been here . [speaking in a nonenglish language] air conditioning, they gave you a big tv. And a bad. Its a good, but what i want the most is a job. With your own job, you can make your own money. And thats what you want. In the afternoon, he approached us, ready to talk to anyone that would listen. He spent the last few nights speak sleeping on the street with his wife as they travel to this facility. For how many days . He says hes sick, and came here because he thought to get medical care and a job. For now, like thousands before him at this new ellis island, he joins the line at the roosevelt, hoping to go inside and begin receiving city services. So this is the entrance where many of the migrants, when they arrive, this is where they come through, coming up these stairs. And into this whole area, where they wait to be processed. Were going to offer you food and water right away. A hot meal can go a long way. Doctor is proud of the operation in the city has established. Everything that weve developed in new york city is to meet the needs that were not met for people coming from texas so far. So here, whether its screening for disease, pregnant women getting prenatal care, or screening for very important Mental Health<\/a> conditions you might have like depression, we do it all here. Because its not done before here. It really catches your eye to see so many kids running through the halls of the roosevelt hotel. Almost like a playground. So many kids, the city says 20,000 Migrant Children<\/a> have come through new york so far. Why did you come to america . Lady cause a is 23 years old, and escaping violence in ecuador. She says she came here for her daughter, media. She was born with a physical disability. How are you feeling . She says shes happy that shes here now, and shes scared to go back to ecuador. Translator im afraid that my daughter will die there if she cant get medical attention. I need a place to stay. I think theyre going to help me. Good luck, okay . Its good news for lady and maya. Theyre being moved out of the Intake Center<\/a> to a shelter. As this group leaves, another is already shuffling in behind them. 116,000 have come to new york city since the spring of 2022, city officials say. And its a reminder that the flow of migrants doesnt stop. The burden on new york city is too much, quite honestly. We have passed are breaking point. Among those just arriving, luis flores. We met him outside. And his wife, or melinda. They now have seats inside. Its a dream come true, he says. It took us two and a half months to come to this country through the border, and now hes just hoping do you get his family a better life. Theyve been sitting here now for several days, waiting for the next steps. The next process. This is your wife, yes . [speaking in a nonenglish language] 20 years, youve been married . How are you doing . [speaking in a nonenglish language] she tells us it was their dream to come to the United States<\/a>. And she doesnt want to lose her husband. Now that they finally made us. As we leave, louise speaks directly into our camera. I just want to work, he says. These are the hands of a worker. For some who have just arrived, Exhaustion Bursts<\/a> into a motion. For others, there is newfound hope. John carlo is now grinning ear to ear, as he holds his one year old daughter outside the hotel. So we were with john carlo last night, he had been here for a short time and today he was told and given a new location with his two kids and his wife. And theyve been given a metro card, and given the location and told to take the train. But they really have no idea how to get there or what theyre doing. So what theyre going to do is there going to take their two daughters and his wife, and theyre going to get on the subway and head into queens. For me, to see you smiling, with everything going on, its incredible. [speaking in a nonenglish language] translator yes, and when i get a job, ill be even happier. New york is better than everywhere else weve been. Im smiling, ive got to smile so i dont cry. Im joined now by our Senior Correspondent<\/a> the Asylum Process<\/a> takes a long, long time. Yes. And one of the things is that many of the migrants dont even know that they need to complete. There is paperwork they need to do they cant work legally here during that whole process. They get paroled, theyre here, but then they have to file for a work permit. And all of that takes time, and what the city is trying to do is once these migrants come into their system, theyre trying to tell them that you need to fill out this paperwork. This is what you need to do. What their finding is theres a number of them that dont even know the process. So theyre trying to obviously educate them and tell them, philip these forms. Get going. The other thing that theyre doing which is really interesting is if some of these migrants have Family Members<\/a> in the United States<\/a>, theyre trying to sort of urge them to go and stay with these Family Members<\/a>. Theyre offering travel to pay for their travel. Other things to try to get them out of the system. And they say thats actually starting to work. Theyre seeing about a quarter of the people who have come into their system now coming out because of Family Members<\/a>. Shimon, appreciate it. Coming up next, another three 60 exclusive. Who was running the Wagner Mercenary<\/a> group now that youve getting prigozhin is dead . The Central African<\/a> republic, diamonds and gold and timber. We went back there to try to find out whos leading it now. Ahead. Another cnn exclusive from the wagner groups stronghold in the Central African<\/a> republic. You might remember last week showing how its Business As Usual<\/a> for them, even after being left leaderless when youve got to prigozhin was killed into that plane crash last month. His death left questions about its paramilitary efforts and ukraine and its secretive efforts in africa that include big profits from gold and diamonds. Tonight, she takes us back to Central African<\/a> republic, looking for one man who maybe the groups next leader there. Hes expected to play a pivotal role in control. Behind this door, we are expecting to find dimitri one of wagners boss is in the Central African<\/a> republic. Access strictly forbidden to all people who dont work here. Assign warns. Our knock goes unanswered, and shortly after, we are told to leave the building. We came back to the heart of Yevgeny Prigozhins<\/a> empire in africa to see how his death had changed things. And found two of his lieutenants still running the show. Is in charge of the security peace, while he runs the commercial side. He likes to keep a low profile these days, which is not surprising, given that he survived a Mail Bomb Attack<\/a> here in december of 2022. After the attack, locals began to wear tshirts in support of him. A sign of wagners entrenched popularity here. When we first met him back in 2019, officially, he was acting as a translator. But documents showed he was the head of a now defunct wagner owned company. And that he had started working with prigozhin to influence u. S. Elections in the socalled Troll Factory Back<\/a> in 2016. Educated in paris and fluent in french, english, and spanish, he leader created the russian Cultural Center<\/a>, which Investigative Group<\/a> dysentery says wagner uses as upfront to sell its gold and diamonds too vips, and manage timber and alcohol operations. The center is one of the last places prigozhin was photographed alive. Seen here was Sytii Standing<\/a> by him. What films currently at the Cultural Center<\/a>, one woman who calls himself told us that prigozhins death has not changed th e status quo. Dimitri doesnt have that job anymore . He is responsible for the whole okay, so its all the same people, basically . Okay. In a rare and recent interview with russian media, sytii says he hopes the mission will not change. Translator if we start to retreat, that everything that has been built will also crumble. This is our chance. Were not looking for new friends, partners, new markets. Africa is a chance for russia. Over the weekend, video are merged of a ceremony to commemorate the death of prigozhin. Prigozhin, best friend of Central African<\/a>s, it reads, as wagner Security Chief<\/a> looks on. One month after his death, Productions Lieutenants<\/a> are still standing. Watching over his empire. Watching over his empire. Watching over his empire. Watching over his empire. Watching over his empire. Watching over his empire. Watching over his empire. She joins us now. This is just so incredible to see whats happened since prigozhins death. What is the actions of the wagner group since then in africa tell us about the future plans . I think its really clear that they want to keep on doing what theyre doing. Because for russia, wagner has picked a lot of boxes. It gave geostrategic presence in africa, it diminished french, u. S. , and western influence. It gave a huge amount of access to natural resources, diamonds, timber, gold. So it has been a very lucrative thing for them, traditionally. Whats going to be tough Going Forward<\/a> is that wagner also traditionally offered the kremlin plausible deniability. They werent officially involved with it at all. Now that all of these people have been forced to sign oaths to the ministry of defense, they are very much part and parcel of the state. So its not clear how the kremlin is going to react. This russian Cultural Center<\/a>, its so surreal. The woman in that dress. You really cant make this stuff up. Its almost out of a movie. And the Cultural Center<\/a> has been described basically as the nerve center for their commercial enterprise. But i do think its worth mentioning that this story i s about dimitri syty. He is a very interesting character, he sort of the boss. But hes not the person who is making the money at the end of the day. That was prigozhin. And i think the open question at the moment is who will replace prigozhin . He was going to be the one to seize those assets . Sees those profits . And until we know that, people like dimitri are very nervous about whats going to happen to them. That woman that you saw there who introduced herself, we did some more research and digging on her. Her name is not that, its a very traditional old russian name. So nobody is being straightforward, nobody wants to comment. A lot of people are nervous and preferring to stay in the shadows. Thank you so much, i appreciate it. 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