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Whether its a former president being issued a gag order, or the House Speaker fired its been another day for the history. Books indeed and now that theyve got a week off, contenders for mccarthys old job will no doubt be making the coming days pretty interesting too. Safe to say jake and anderson, the news continues tonight a special coverage certainly does. Joining me now audi philips and mark but good evening everyone im abby philips alongside my colleagues laura. Coats this is a Special Edition of cnn prime tent for an unprecedented moment in the history of the United States. Headline tonight, the American Government is broken. The tyranny of a minority, is now prime it paralyzed in this countrys institution. Depending on where you stand politically it could be for better for, us but right now here is where we are. There is currently no speaker of the house, and after never early avoiding a shut down the government is set to shut down under money in less than 45 days. The house is now leaving for a week. All of this is because for the First Time Ever republicans have successfully ousted a sitting speaker. A hounsell of hardliners complain that Kevin Mccarthy didnt do enough to curb spending, even though the party didnt seem too concerned about it during the trump era when the nations debt skyrocketed. Tensions played out in private in these angry me these, then on the floor around the vote today. We need a speaker, ideally somebody who doesnt want to be speaker. Hasnt pursued that at all costs first entire adult life. Im very proud of the speaker, im very proud to stand behind him. A red line was crossed for me on saturday. Its with regret that i must vote against the motion to table as i did, and to vote to vacate the chair. Kevin mccarthy has earned this, chaos is Speaker Mccarthy. Kacer is somebody who we cannot trust with our word. He has kept his word, i think we should keep him at speaker. I think its time to make a change. Im not the only one everyone who knows Kevin Mccarthy whether their Friend Or Foe knows that Kevin Mccarthy, is a happy warrior. I would just say this house a representative, has exceeded all expectations, then we definitely need higher expectations. The office of speaker of the house, of the United States house of representatives is here by dovey vacant. Tonight the Big News Mccarthy told his party that he will not run for the speakership again. Well never give up in the American People, that doesnt mean i have to be speaker. To do what i have to do for the American People. But at this point the question really is, who would even want this job . Are you putting yourself forward for the speakership . Absolutely not i have no desire to be speaker. Laura, matt gaetz there seemingly an unwittingly and minute that everyone likes to throw bombs but leading is hard he has no intention of trying to get that gavel. He just didnt want Kevin Mccarthy to have as you know joining me now is Republican Caucus Minh Bob Good of virginia he is one of the eight republicans who voted to remove Kevin Mccarthy as speaker of the house, thank you for being here and congressman what a day indeed it was quite frankly a win for American People cause this was a blow against the status quo, against the establishment swamp, the d. C. Swamp cartel. Theres a reason why congress has a 20 reproof ole and 80 of americans say were on the wrong track that are crushing regular americans with high interest rates, an inflation in Grocery Prices and gas, and utility in an open border. Republican also contributed in james of not making real, change not fighting when they have the house majority. That was a blow against the status quo, and fight for change which most americans want in congress. You mentioned the status quo as the perspective that you bring here, but for many of the American People theyre looking at congress more broadly, as dysfunctional. Youve now voted to oust Speaker Mccarthy, there is no Succession Plan in place, for all the things you just named, this is really gonna paralyze, its a paralyzing moment, nothing can get done in the same way are talking about, why has there been no Succession Plan . Was that not contemplated . I would reject that that there was no Succession Plan. What you typically have when you are choosing a speech or, youve got to presumptive speaker, the party candidate, that everyone has to support, everyone is afraid to raise their hand and say theyre candidate, because of retaliation, or consequence because they didnt support the presumptive one. Most members of Congress Just voted for whoever the party says. Tell me when there was an upset vote for speaker . When has that happened in the modern times . Now we have a contest, we have a competition where all members of people are terms of the opportunity to throw their hat in the ring. Well have a candidate for him on tuesday night, between now and then well move that candidates, meet with candidates talk with them. Theyll try to bring coalitions of support. We have a talented group of individuals, and someone will rise and become speaker. Someone has to get it to 18, because we have to quite frankly. Sometimes people say what congress isnt it getting things done. Tell me what were getting done for the American People . As if you are going to surgery, i dont care who is going to, surgery and just get it done. Most things of what we are doing has been hurting the american, people they are suffering, they dont feel Like Washington is working for them. We have 33 children in the national, that we have an open border, we have a depleted military, we have an american weekend on the national staying. We have a president as loyal proven. And congress has low approval. Were trying to get it right. We want to get the best speaker speaker we can get. To help lead to what the American People voted for when they gave us the house majority. And yet when i look at calendar, any mention this will not take place in last week in the actual vote theres actually, were gonna be without a leaker fourweek. Mccarthy not leaving, again it takes 218 votes as you said. Who can actually get to these votes, to try to drive over the point that youre making, i know the gates keeps playing this but he doesnt want the job, and it did take 15 rounds, despite what you say what was a kind of a foregone conclusion. It took 15 rounds for mccarthy to get it. So who do you support . It only took 15 rounds because we broke history in did something that hadnt happened in 160 of years with members of congress voted against the presumptive leader. That hadnt happened in 60 years. That put changes in place for how congress will operate. We returned regular order when members in the minority and Majority Party have import, amendments working for a commitment. Minimum sound to rebuild,s ability to make amendments from the floor as i noted, that is made congress stronger, and frankly we restored the ability to remove the speaker if he wasnt living up to the obligations and commitments that he made, to become speaker. So that is how the republican supposed to work, thats not a legislative body supposed to work and we restored that in congress, i dont want to cut you off but right now whoever the candidate will be, the Track Dumbness of the particular job youve got this now, motion to vacate option, that is there certainly pelosi did not have it. But it has been in play for some time will you demand that whoever is whoever steps up to the plate, hoping to become the next speaker, do you demand that they also operate at the same motion to vacate option . Absolutely it was in place for 200 years until, nancy pelosi chance it was good for Thomas Jefferson it should be good for our speaker today, a strong strong leader realized serves at the pleasure of those who elect. Then they start from equal phony and trying to earn the support of 2 18 we will all have a vested interest in their success, not that just we want the best for the country, but because we all have voted in this person, and more committed as conference come in and find the best person, to get the 218. Just this past Saturday A Cannon was kicked down the road in terms of the government shutdown, 45 days away is the next opportunity, you cut into that a week of time now, when someone is no longer gonna be speaker of the house, are you not concerned there will be enough time, to steer the government in the right direction, and try to follow through with what your objectives are . I appreciate it making the point about last saturday. Last saturday was the failure. A congress fell back under speaker mccartney to doing what were doing, to fail to pass our 12 appropriation. Bills thats all you get through the three children back, a trillion dollars in the year and on just on the day. Trajectory to get to 53 trillion in the next ten years. Unsustainable. Bankrupting our kids and our guy and goods. Policies that are destroying the country, our commitment was to change that. The speaker did not join in thus and changing that, and when he failed, and reverted back to the, status quo in the past. We removed him as speaker. Thats a win for the American People. Someone look at this is not as, when in the sense that bipartisanship of what was in part and key, i understand the point that youre raising wholeheartedly but if its a failure is keeping the government open and i wonder how, someone would define success let me ask this by about what matt gaetz had to say because he has as you probably heard by now fundraising off of what took place today, do you think thats appropriate all members fundraise all the time when you are in a two year and it takes millions of dollars to get and stay in congress than dont think that the swamp wont strike that the empire wont strike that. Those are willing to stand up and be counted in to fight for the American People, instead of fighting for the donor class, and the lobbyist, in the case, treating wall street. They are fighting for the American People, dont you think theyre gonna have a target on their back. Why would they let the American People know that they stand with them, and the American People want to support them they can choose to do that. Nothing wrong with that. Do you feel you have a target on your back . Figuratively speaking, with your vote against mccarthy, as you can imagine, there is a select few number of congressman compared to of course, those who voted to keep him in power on the republican side. Do you feel that you are now vulnerable based on your choice . Well ill tell you that stephanie. Back in january, into the members of congress, make history by being willing to risk their own personal careers. Their own personal ambitions. In terms of what she was safe, and secure in just to the status quo, and do what they believe was right, irrespective of the cost. We need more courage in washington, we need more people willing to do them. Are you gonna put your name into the ring . Right now im only 217 to get to 2 18, so if you are endorsing me maybe itll help me get their. Were not doing math for you this. Evening congressman bob good thank you so much. Great to be with you thank you. And to understand the path forward from here, the chapters of mccarthys political career, perfectly explained the Republican Partys Rollercoaster Ride over the last decade now at first it was to be the future of the party. A new generation of fiscally conservative lawmakers. But as you can see here three of the young guns on this book of our, are all long on. Paul ryan, who was also the speaker, had trouble corraling the right wing of his party. Then, the Second Chapter of mccarthys career begins with an escalator. He hitched his wagon to the trump train. It became an ally through the impeachments, the election lies all of it. And then next, there was mccarthys pilgrimage to maralago for a photo op, not long after the insurrection that he blamed trump for, despite those lies that led to the attack in the workplace. And finally, this picture from back in january thats mccarthy, and matt gaetz on the floor before mccarthy eventually greed, to neuter his own power just so he could become speaker, after 15 rounds. How do you expect to govern this way, if its been taking this long this is the great part because it took this long, now we learn how to govern, now well get the job done. Fast forward to right now the epilogue of the republican young guns is playing out, before our eyes and joining me now to discuss all this andrew luck. Former 2020 Candidate Author of the last, external form also coleman hues host of the podcast, in the jamal simmons, former Communication General for Kamala Harris and also cnn political commentator, jamal. This moment, Kevin Mccarthy basically protected for himself by giving that gets a lot of power back in january. You really could argue, that this was years in the making. It was years in the making. The establishment Republican Party, has done a deal with this sort of, anti establishment rogue forces, where anger is ruling, the testament of how much your true. Talk about people being moderate, theyre not moderate in the sense of when they, have positions that are closer to center theyre just not yelling or screaming all the time, are trying to overturn the system. What Kevin Mccarthy is done, is proven that sometimes better to think about doing important things, then it is just doing an important job. He had a job but he didnt get very much done when you have the job, i imagine there will come a moment for him, in the dark of night, a little bit away from now, where he thinks i probably should have done a little more. I doubt it. That would require a lot of selfreflection, listen, i know the young guns. I came up with the young guns. Kevin mccarthy wanted to be speaker. This was where he wanted to get. His ambition outweighed, his dignity apparently. He made this deal with matt gaetz and other troublemakers to essentially signs own Death Certificates and whenever they wanted. He is leaving the way he came in, really with matt gaetz holding his faith in his hands. Dont, be surprised if you lose them the way you get a. Its funny, because he talked a lot about first of all, this job being such a thing for him, since he was a child. How he didnt get a job an intern, but then he got a job of the speaker. To your point, very important to him. It was brought up on the floor today. I want to play this from mccarthy where he basically, try to put all the blame, not on, he had plenty of blame for conservatives but also on the democrats take a listen. I think today was political decision by the democrats. I think they things they have done in the past, hurt the institution, they just started removing people from committing, they just started doing other things, my fear is the institution fell today. Because you cant do the job, if a people, you have 94 , or 96 of your entire conference, and eight people can partner with a whole other side, how do you govern . Im honestly trying to understand that, because he was the one who agreed to that rule. That gave 3 , 6 whatever percentage of it is all of those power. Yes, i theres no way around the fact that this is a huge win for matt gaetz. This is, if you think about this from the perspective of whoever the next speaker is. Will they have to be thinking is, well i have to take this matt gaetz seriously. He is really willing to blow it all up, it gives them a lot more leverage. And it ends up in some strange way being an own goal for the democrats. Like it or not, mccarthy he was not the worst a speaker can get. He was not the most radical you could get. It could be the case that we get replaced someone worse. Someone that is more friendly to the matt gaetzs, and marginally taylor greens. And potentially more competent right. I agree with coleman, i held out hope that there would be some kind of, brokered deal Power Sharing Agreement between Kevin Mccarthy, in the democrats. Have a couple dozen democrats refrain from voting, or say hey, well keep you from getting ousted. Democrats at this point are the party of good governing, this is bad for the countries to have a leaderless rudderless house when you are 45 days away from the defaulting do you think theres any truth to the criticism, mccarthy makes it, that democrats showed up for the good of the institution, stepped in here . I think there was a deal to be had. Isnt that mccarthys deal to make . It is on Kevin Mccarthy, where he would have to do something. Its also true that is conference with turn on him, if he said hey these democrats are gonna bail me out. But this would have been good for the country. The fact that you have different coalition coming together, and making sure that you have a speaker of the house, what we have instead, it is chaos. Its terrible for the country. Anyone who says they know what is going to happen next, is the lying. This is never happened before. No one among the house House Speaker<\/a> fired its been another day for the history. Books indeed and now that theyve got a week off, contenders for mccarthys old job will no doubt be making the coming days pretty interesting too. Safe to say jake and anderson, the news continues tonight a special coverage certainly does. Joining me now audi philips and mark but good evening everyone im abby philips alongside my colleagues laura. Coats this is a Special Edition<\/a> of cnn prime tent for an unprecedented moment in the history of the United States<\/a>. Headline tonight, the American Government<\/a> is broken. The tyranny of a minority, is now prime it paralyzed in this countrys institution. Depending on where you stand politically it could be for better for, us but right now here is where we are. There is currently no speaker of the house, and after never early avoiding a shut down the government is set to shut down under money in less than 45 days. The house is now leaving for a week. All of this is because for the First Time Ever<\/a> republicans have successfully ousted a sitting speaker. A hounsell of hardliners complain that Kevin Mccarthy<\/a> didnt do enough to curb spending, even though the party didnt seem too concerned about it during the trump era when the nations debt skyrocketed. Tensions played out in private in these angry me these, then on the floor around the vote today. We need a speaker, ideally somebody who doesnt want to be speaker. Hasnt pursued that at all costs first entire adult life. Im very proud of the speaker, im very proud to stand behind him. A red line was crossed for me on saturday. Its with regret that i must vote against the motion to table as i did, and to vote to vacate the chair. Kevin mccarthy has earned this, chaos is Speaker Mccarthy<\/a>. Kacer is somebody who we cannot trust with our word. He has kept his word, i think we should keep him at speaker. I think its time to make a change. Im not the only one everyone who knows Kevin Mccarthy<\/a> whether their Friend Or Foe<\/a> knows that Kevin Mccarthy<\/a>, is a happy warrior. I would just say this house a representative, has exceeded all expectations, then we definitely need higher expectations. The office of speaker of the house, of the United States<\/a> house of representatives is here by dovey vacant. Tonight the Big News Mccarthy<\/a> told his party that he will not run for the speakership again. Well never give up in the American People<\/a>, that doesnt mean i have to be speaker. To do what i have to do for the American People<\/a>. But at this point the question really is, who would even want this job . Are you putting yourself forward for the speakership . Absolutely not i have no desire to be speaker. Laura, matt gaetz there seemingly an unwittingly and minute that everyone likes to throw bombs but leading is hard he has no intention of trying to get that gavel. He just didnt want Kevin Mccarthy<\/a> to have as you know joining me now is Republican Caucus<\/a> Minh Bob Good<\/a> of virginia he is one of the eight republicans who voted to remove Kevin Mccarthy<\/a> as speaker of the house, thank you for being here and congressman what a day indeed it was quite frankly a win for American People<\/a> cause this was a blow against the status quo, against the establishment swamp, the d. C. Swamp cartel. Theres a reason why congress has a 20 reproof ole and 80 of americans say were on the wrong track that are crushing regular americans with high interest rates, an inflation in Grocery Prices<\/a> and gas, and utility in an open border. Republican also contributed in james of not making real, change not fighting when they have the house majority. That was a blow against the status quo, and fight for change which most americans want in congress. You mentioned the status quo as the perspective that you bring here, but for many of the American People<\/a> theyre looking at congress more broadly, as dysfunctional. Youve now voted to oust Speaker Mccarthy<\/a>, there is no Succession Plan<\/a> in place, for all the things you just named, this is really gonna paralyze, its a paralyzing moment, nothing can get done in the same way are talking about, why has there been no Succession Plan<\/a> . Was that not contemplated . I would reject that that there was no Succession Plan<\/a>. What you typically have when you are choosing a speech or, youve got to presumptive speaker, the party candidate, that everyone has to support, everyone is afraid to raise their hand and say theyre candidate, because of retaliation, or consequence because they didnt support the presumptive one. Most members of Congress Just<\/a> voted for whoever the party says. Tell me when there was an upset vote for speaker . When has that happened in the modern times . Now we have a contest, we have a competition where all members of people are terms of the opportunity to throw their hat in the ring. Well have a candidate for him on tuesday night, between now and then well move that candidates, meet with candidates talk with them. Theyll try to bring coalitions of support. We have a talented group of individuals, and someone will rise and become speaker. Someone has to get it to 18, because we have to quite frankly. Sometimes people say what congress isnt it getting things done. Tell me what were getting done for the American People<\/a> . As if you are going to surgery, i dont care who is going to, surgery and just get it done. Most things of what we are doing has been hurting the american, people they are suffering, they dont feel Like Washington<\/a> is working for them. We have 33 children in the national, that we have an open border, we have a depleted military, we have an american weekend on the national staying. We have a president as loyal proven. And congress has low approval. Were trying to get it right. We want to get the best speaker speaker we can get. To help lead to what the American People<\/a> voted for when they gave us the house majority. And yet when i look at calendar, any mention this will not take place in last week in the actual vote theres actually, were gonna be without a leaker fourweek. Mccarthy not leaving, again it takes 218 votes as you said. Who can actually get to these votes, to try to drive over the point that youre making, i know the gates keeps playing this but he doesnt want the job, and it did take 15 rounds, despite what you say what was a kind of a foregone conclusion. It took 15 rounds for mccarthy to get it. So who do you support . It only took 15 rounds because we broke history in did something that hadnt happened in 160 of years with members of congress voted against the presumptive leader. That hadnt happened in 60 years. That put changes in place for how congress will operate. We returned regular order when members in the minority and Majority Party<\/a> have import, amendments working for a commitment. Minimum sound to rebuild,s ability to make amendments from the floor as i noted, that is made congress stronger, and frankly we restored the ability to remove the speaker if he wasnt living up to the obligations and commitments that he made, to become speaker. So that is how the republican supposed to work, thats not a legislative body supposed to work and we restored that in congress, i dont want to cut you off but right now whoever the candidate will be, the Track Dumbness<\/a> of the particular job youve got this now, motion to vacate option, that is there certainly pelosi did not have it. But it has been in play for some time will you demand that whoever is whoever steps up to the plate, hoping to become the next speaker, do you demand that they also operate at the same motion to vacate option . Absolutely it was in place for 200 years until, nancy pelosi chance it was good for Thomas Jefferson<\/a> it should be good for our speaker today, a strong strong leader realized serves at the pleasure of those who elect. Then they start from equal phony and trying to earn the support of 2 18 we will all have a vested interest in their success, not that just we want the best for the country, but because we all have voted in this person, and more committed as conference come in and find the best person, to get the 218. Just this past Saturday A Cannon<\/a> was kicked down the road in terms of the government shutdown, 45 days away is the next opportunity, you cut into that a week of time now, when someone is no longer gonna be speaker of the house, are you not concerned there will be enough time, to steer the government in the right direction, and try to follow through with what your objectives are . I appreciate it making the point about last saturday. Last saturday was the failure. A congress fell back under speaker mccartney to doing what were doing, to fail to pass our 12 appropriation. Bills thats all you get through the three children back, a trillion dollars in the year and on just on the day. Trajectory to get to 53 trillion in the next ten years. Unsustainable. Bankrupting our kids and our guy and goods. Policies that are destroying the country, our commitment was to change that. The speaker did not join in thus and changing that, and when he failed, and reverted back to the, status quo in the past. We removed him as speaker. Thats a win for the American People<\/a>. Someone look at this is not as, when in the sense that bipartisanship of what was in part and key, i understand the point that youre raising wholeheartedly but if its a failure is keeping the government open and i wonder how, someone would define success let me ask this by about what matt gaetz had to say because he has as you probably heard by now fundraising off of what took place today, do you think thats appropriate all members fundraise all the time when you are in a two year and it takes millions of dollars to get and stay in congress than dont think that the swamp wont strike that the empire wont strike that. Those are willing to stand up and be counted in to fight for the American People<\/a>, instead of fighting for the donor class, and the lobbyist, in the case, treating wall street. They are fighting for the American People<\/a>, dont you think theyre gonna have a target on their back. Why would they let the American People<\/a> know that they stand with them, and the American People<\/a> want to support them they can choose to do that. Nothing wrong with that. Do you feel you have a target on your back . Figuratively speaking, with your vote against mccarthy, as you can imagine, there is a select few number of congressman compared to of course, those who voted to keep him in power on the republican side. Do you feel that you are now vulnerable based on your choice . Well ill tell you that stephanie. Back in january, into the members of congress, make history by being willing to risk their own personal careers. Their own personal ambitions. In terms of what she was safe, and secure in just to the status quo, and do what they believe was right, irrespective of the cost. We need more courage in washington, we need more people willing to do them. Are you gonna put your name into the ring . Right now im only 217 to get to 2 18, so if you are endorsing me maybe itll help me get their. Were not doing math for you this. Evening congressman bob good thank you so much. Great to be with you thank you. And to understand the path forward from here, the chapters of mccarthys political career, perfectly explained the Republican Party<\/a>s Rollercoaster Ride<\/a> over the last decade now at first it was to be the future of the party. A new generation of fiscally conservative lawmakers. But as you can see here three of the young guns on this book of our, are all long on. Paul ryan, who was also the speaker, had trouble corraling the right wing of his party. Then, the Second Chapter<\/a> of mccarthys career begins with an escalator. He hitched his wagon to the trump train. It became an ally through the impeachments, the election lies all of it. And then next, there was mccarthys pilgrimage to maralago for a photo op, not long after the insurrection that he blamed trump for, despite those lies that led to the attack in the workplace. And finally, this picture from back in january thats mccarthy, and matt gaetz on the floor before mccarthy eventually greed, to neuter his own power just so he could become speaker, after 15 rounds. How do you expect to govern this way, if its been taking this long this is the great part because it took this long, now we learn how to govern, now well get the job done. Fast forward to right now the epilogue of the republican young guns is playing out, before our eyes and joining me now to discuss all this andrew luck. Former 2020 Candidate Author<\/a> of the last, external form also coleman hues host of the podcast, in the jamal simmons, former Communication General<\/a> for Kamala Harris<\/a> and also cnn political commentator, jamal. This moment, Kevin Mccarthy<\/a> basically protected for himself by giving that gets a lot of power back in january. You really could argue, that this was years in the making. It was years in the making. The establishment Republican Party<\/a>, has done a deal with this sort of, anti establishment rogue forces, where anger is ruling, the testament of how much your true. Talk about people being moderate, theyre not moderate in the sense of when they, have positions that are closer to center theyre just not yelling or screaming all the time, are trying to overturn the system. What Kevin Mccarthy<\/a> is done, is proven that sometimes better to think about doing important things, then it is just doing an important job. He had a job but he didnt get very much done when you have the job, i imagine there will come a moment for him, in the dark of night, a little bit away from now, where he thinks i probably should have done a little more. I doubt it. That would require a lot of selfreflection, listen, i know the young guns. I came up with the young guns. Kevin mccarthy wanted to be speaker. This was where he wanted to get. His ambition outweighed, his dignity apparently. He made this deal with matt gaetz and other troublemakers to essentially signs own Death Certificates<\/a> and whenever they wanted. He is leaving the way he came in, really with matt gaetz holding his faith in his hands. Dont, be surprised if you lose them the way you get a. Its funny, because he talked a lot about first of all, this job being such a thing for him, since he was a child. How he didnt get a job an intern, but then he got a job of the speaker. To your point, very important to him. It was brought up on the floor today. I want to play this from mccarthy where he basically, try to put all the blame, not on, he had plenty of blame for conservatives but also on the democrats take a listen. I think today was political decision by the democrats. I think they things they have done in the past, hurt the institution, they just started removing people from committing, they just started doing other things, my fear is the institution fell today. Because you cant do the job, if a people, you have 94 , or 96 of your entire conference, and eight people can partner with a whole other side, how do you govern . Im honestly trying to understand that, because he was the one who agreed to that rule. That gave 3 , 6 whatever percentage of it is all of those power. Yes, i theres no way around the fact that this is a huge win for matt gaetz. This is, if you think about this from the perspective of whoever the next speaker is. Will they have to be thinking is, well i have to take this matt gaetz seriously. He is really willing to blow it all up, it gives them a lot more leverage. And it ends up in some strange way being an own goal for the democrats. Like it or not, mccarthy he was not the worst a speaker can get. He was not the most radical you could get. It could be the case that we get replaced someone worse. Someone that is more friendly to the matt gaetzs, and marginally taylor greens. And potentially more competent right. I agree with coleman, i held out hope that there would be some kind of, brokered deal Power Sharing Agreement<\/a> between Kevin Mccarthy<\/a>, in the democrats. Have a couple dozen democrats refrain from voting, or say hey, well keep you from getting ousted. Democrats at this point are the party of good governing, this is bad for the countries to have a leaderless rudderless house when you are 45 days away from the defaulting do you think theres any truth to the criticism, mccarthy makes it, that democrats showed up for the good of the institution, stepped in here . I think there was a deal to be had. Isnt that mccarthys deal to make . It is on Kevin Mccarthy<\/a>, where he would have to do something. Its also true that is conference with turn on him, if he said hey these democrats are gonna bail me out. But this would have been good for the country. The fact that you have different coalition coming together, and making sure that you have a speaker of the house, what we have instead, it is chaos. Its terrible for the country. Anyone who says they know what is going to happen next, is the lying. This is never happened before. No one among the house Republican Caucus<\/a> knows who the next real are leaders gonna be. Theyre having these conversations right now. Who wants this job . To your point, they have to make it so the next speaker Cannot Have A Motion<\/a> to vacate with one to, or three votes. It has to be double digits are higher to have any kind of security. Can they get a concession from the hardliners . Ill tell you what theyre doing immediately one of the the protons First Official<\/a> acts, patrick mchenry, was the email nancy pelosi intel it of vacate or office. And he is already criticizing the proton. Speaker but he is exactly where his caucus is, which is basically middle fingers to the other side. Which you know honestly, correct me from wrong, not what mchenry is known for. Being a flame floor . But the people think hes a sort of sober middle of the rolled guy, but hes been thrust in this impossible situation. But the question you asked, who would want this . But one republican thrown out of his said well, you dont have to be a member to be a speaker. Lets call in donald trump . I think kennedy was just talking about that. So was don jr. If we are not just ousted a speaker for the first time in his history, i would say thats crazy . Top the poetry around that is really obscene. Here you have the guy who who launched the january six in secretion against that house of representatives, people were deprecating inside of congress, the congressional building. Who could be the speaker, and be in charge of the Capitol Police<\/a> who were injured in the january six interest . This is peak republican silliness. Says a lot though about trumps a shadow looming over this chamber right now. No matter which way you look at it. , if trump were gone, the entire Republican Party<\/a> would change overnight. The shadow that he cast over the whole party, there just so few people willing for any reason whatsoever, to signal that they are not loyal to them. You see what happens to chris christie, you see what happened to any republican that even hints at disloyalty to donald trump. He is still the Elephant In The Room<\/a> for republicans. That is a fundamental Character Trade<\/a> of the party now. Thats what id like to double down on, there is a sense that oh after trump receipts from the scene the republicans will come back to their senses. Its not happening. This party is beholden to its, base in the base likes that. The bases running the asylum, and thats not gonna reverse our sets out. Trump may have created some of these characters, but theyre here now. Theyre doing their own work with or without him. Thanks everyone, stand by for us caitlin . I think the idea of trump becoming House Speaker<\/a> is a bit of a fever dream from some republicans, who knows, a lot of options are on the table. Joining me now is cnn hill capitol hill part of, and political reporter for the past imposed. The idea of trump being a house beaker its, not going to happen. It is kind of hard to overstate the level of chaos right now, what is happening in the building behind us . What happens when you step back and look at the fact that Kevin Mccarthy<\/a> is no longer house period and we know of no clue was gonna be . Next its entirely shocking and stunning, and yet also completely inevitable. When you talk to republicans, after that 15 rounds of speaker votes that Kevin Mccarthy<\/a> to go through. They said, this is not gonna be good for Kevin Mccarthy<\/a>. The fact that he empowered those members, to be able to call for a vote to oust him, a Single Member<\/a> to. Awesome member of his own leadership said this is not a good idea, this is gonna be a threat that hangs over your head, and he fought for months to try to keep this rebellion at bay. The chickens finally came home to roost today for Kevin Mccarthy<\/a>. That is the reality that they are now dealing with but i will tell you, even though its only been a few hours. Were already hearing that there are members who are scrambling to show support to run to replace, Steve Scalise<\/a> the number two republican. Hes already making qualities. Lining up support. Hes getting people nascar. Jim jordan is entertaining essential striker. There are moves being made behind the scenes, who can get to 2 18, who can corral that same conference that was responsible for taking out Kevin Mccarthy<\/a>, and that person is gonna take on the same challenges that Kevin Mccarthy<\/a> did and maybe even worse. Whoever does get that job is, they are facing today or 40 days away from the government running out of funding of, there is just passed a short time belt. Theyre gonna be facing the same exact hurdles. Absolutely. When Kevin Mccartney<\/a> was asked tonight, when he would recommend, is his successor, he actually said. Change the house rules. I dont know if thats gonna be on the table yet or not but it gets back to the challenges that institutional challenge that Kevin Mccarthy<\/a> and others thought were central to the problem here also surged hope there is a right play to the party who no interest in funding the government or passing short Term Government<\/a> spending bills they want to do it at levels that are could never pass a democratic controlled senate. That could never get signed by a democratic president , and so there is a level of lack of realism here. If someone else can do it better than Kevin Mccarthy<\/a>, that is a very high bar. We will see if someone is elected, if they are able to do so, and is it because its less of a Personality Conflict<\/a> . Or if it speak actually a Policy Conflict<\/a> . When we had tennessee congressman republican tim on here earlier i asked if he favor keeping a motion to vacate with one mode barge, and he leaned to it yes, he wanted to provide accountability. We saw that version of that today. Do you expect melody that republicans with other make concessions of the next House Speaker<\/a> . Theyre gonna try to change the motion to vacate, theyre gonna need democratic votes to do that, that was the conversation i heard republicans talking about, saying depending on on debase vote goes, maybe we need to revisit the issue. You heard bob good talking earlier on air. He said yes, any candidate that is speaker, in order to get my vote has gonna have to make the same commitments that Kevin Mccarthy<\/a> did its not clear whos gonna be able to allude the caucus, the confluence better than Kevin Mccarthy<\/a> are a better any easier than he did. But to the point, there was some personal differences between matt gaetz and Kevin Mccarthy<\/a>, they didnt trust him, he made a lot of promises, nancy mace was a surprising vote, she had been saying he made provinces to her that he didnt keep. Thats where the issue is. Shes been saying that publicly, he was largely critical of her. What do the next seven days look like . In the building behind us . Does anyone know . They have left town, next tuesday, theyre not even to be here, but what is going to be happening, is weve already had different factions of the party starting to meet. There are some groups that met tonight, some are leaving tomorrow, these i do logically similar factions are gonna be talking about who they want, their next speaker to be. Well see if theyre gonna be able to at these different parts can come together to think of a consensus candidate there are five or six names that are being floated out there as melanie out there is some of these names are already starting to make moves to do it it is going to be, a real back channeling discussion and a real fight over theyre gonna have their first gathering as an entire where theyre hoping to come to that decision they just had an explosion and it deeply fractured the conquer. Great reporting today by both of you thank you for joining me. Abby its going to be an exciting week for capitol hill reporters. Maybe excitings not the word. Well look seven more days are eight more days and no congress in washington doing any work, except sorting themselves out. The American People<\/a> have something to say about that im sure. Thank you caitlin. Coming up next for us it seems like Kevin Mccarthy<\/a> is blaming democrats for losing his speakership, i will ask one of those democrats, Congresswoman Ilhan Omar<\/a> what she thinks, of the end of mccarthy stint as speaker. On this historic news tonight the house for the first time removing Kevin Mccarthy<\/a>. What comes next for the peoples house . Joining me now to discuss this, is democratic congressman ilhan omar. Congressman thanks for joining us. Great to be with you earlier tonight the now former speaker, he essentially blamed democrats for why he no longer has his job he says, it was a political decision for democrats to side with matt gaetz today to vote him out of the speakership and that, he seemed to say that was a wrong decision for democrats to make because you all voted to keep the government open this weekend what is your response to that way, mccarthy can blame math he can blame democrats the end of the day he needs to blame himself when he was first elected as speaker, the rule that he agreed to and the deals that he made what ultimately what just write a speakership he decided to say yes to one person, bringing a motion to vacate the chair, and he said yes to so many backroom deals that ultimately made his conference feel like he was a liar. And he made deals with democrats that he refused to fulfill, which made it hard for any single democrat to believe in the fact that he was somebody that we can continue to work with. So more democrats than republicans provided the votes this weekend to keep the government open. And your colleague, congress congressman jim clyburn, said that when mccarthy showed up on the sunday the next day and blamed democrats for taking the country to the brink, that factored in. What was the reaction in your Caucus Meeting<\/a> in the Caucus Meeting<\/a> over the weekend . Im eating i remember most of us watching or watching it this weekend, just dumbfounded by the idea of this man who literally needed more democratic votes to continue his own continued resolution that he himself as speaker brought to the floor and could not provide his own conferences, votes to help pass, it was on tv talking about how democrats wanted to shut down, how democrats were obstructing, when he only gave us about five minutes to be able to read this continued resolution that he was expecting us to vote for. People really got a sense of the fact that this is a man who cannot be trusted. This is not somebody you negotiate with. This is not somebody you can save, and we ultimately understood that need leader Hakeem Jeffries<\/a> has been freelancing is a speaker because it was him that helped make sure that we fix the battle around the debt ceiling. It was him that made sure we put up the votes to stop the country from shutting down. It was him that has been leading the house floor in trying to provide critical and crucial votes to pass anything of substance. Nd so we were unified in saying we as democrats are going to have the back of the leader that we had with our caucus, that continuously shows up and leads the way, and we are not what its gonna be up to his conference and himself get them out of the chaos they created. Arent you concerned that this process now being back open would usher in a new speaker, i even less palatable to democrats and mccarthy was. That is what their worries should be. This is, again, the mess that they created by agreeing to these rules, passing down, and allowing for so many within their conference to be emboldened to take their speaker out for democrats we know that we have not had Speaker Mccarthy<\/a> be someone whose word we can trust. S you know, there was negotiations with president biden, there were negotiations with chuck schumer. There were negotiations with leader jeffries. All of those promises and negoiations, mccarthy reneged on, and so for us it is about keeping the integrity of the house. Its about remembering that when you are an elected official your word is all youve got. People have to be able to trust what you say is what you will do. We did not have that kind of partner and leader that we can believe in in that kind of way within Speaker Mccarthy<\/a>. And now he no longer is speaker. He happens to be continuously making history in all the wrong ways. We look forward to seeing who they end up choosing, and then we will make our decision going forward. Cnn is reporting tonight, also that republicans were on this bipartisan Problem Solvers Caucus<\/a>, they are threatening to quit the group en masse because they are angry with democrats. Their democratic colleagues on that Problem Solvers Caucus<\/a> who didnt bail mccarthy out today. Whats your reaction to that . I dont know what problem expected to solve. Im not part of the Problem Solvers Caucus<\/a>, and to me it looks like they were expecting democrats to solve the problem that they created for themselves within their conferences. I think that is not a reasonable expectation or if we were having internal issues within our caucus. I dont think a single democrat would blame republicans for not helping solve that problem. And so its just tradition that you figure out how to run your own house. In this case you run your own caucus. You run your own conference, and the majority usually is the one that decides who the speaker of the house will be, and this majority has failed in that. This majority has failed in governing, and this majority has failed in sending a speaker that the people can trust. All right, Congresswoman Ilhan Omar<\/a>, thank you so much. Thank you for having me. Joining me now at the table, michael singleton, commentator karen finney, former republican congresswoman barbara comstock, and former house gop Investigative Committee<\/a> counsel. Look, weve all been champing at the bit tonight, reacting to everything and you can see this panel right now, america acting to every single interview, its a chance because its a very intense moment. None of us have seen anything like this before, and here we are well. Look, republicans look very dysfunctional right now. They are being viewed as if they are punishing mccarthy for bipartisanship this past saturday. How are you reacting to all this . This was a maga civil war. Once kevin made a deal with maga, this was bound to happen. So today you saw mega at its worst. And when you look at the biden harris twitter feed, its all filled with little ads that they made with maga attacking republicans today. So matt gaetz, nancy mace, and all these guys who, attacking republicans today, they provided great fodder for democrats. So joe biden is the winner today. But maga also showed how they arent fit to govern. While at the same time, donald trump was in his trial today, talking some poor little clerk, a showing maga is unfit to be in the judicial branch, so the only way maga hasnt been doing a horrible job is maga is fortunately not in the white house right. Now undertaken a step further. In 2006 democrats won in the midterms, but talking about the republican culture of dysfunction and corruption in chaos. Its lots of talk with trump, just look at what we have seen. We literally have people going home and we have no speaker of the house, i do want to cut you off bu t, i want to understand. At what job do most people have where you can say, nothing is going right . [laughter] congress, congress i just had the whole weekend off, but you know, i dont feel like doing the jobs only to go for a way for another week. No, nobody, except for republican members of congress, apparently, think this is a good idea. But we were talking about all this blame on democrats, and poor nancy pelosi is getting attacked, Kevin Mccarthy<\/a> is blaming her. Shes in california to attend a funeral, by the way, for senator diane feinstein, her very dear friend. And if you think about it, how come democrats didnt jump in to save republicans . You know, what it republicans couldve joined Democrats Amin<\/a> Hakeem Jeffries<\/a> speaker of the house. They wouldnt do that. Come on, they would know that. Democrats couldve voted present, they dont enjoy. But im not gonna get into voting into why they voted the way that. If i understand. If i were democrat, i wouldve done the same stunning. By voting president it wouldve lowered the yeah but, laura what would have lowered the threshold, making it almost impossible for gaetz and luxhaven others to be victorious in vacating the speaker, democrats had that off option. They didnt choose that option. Its not democrats job, but kieran, it is not democrats job to keep republicans from killing other republicans. Its not their job. Thats our job, to govern and to take our responsibilities seriously. I understand our but im saying politically they should have. I am sure where they didnt because the message is going to be republicans are coyote chaotic and they cant govern. They didnt do. That you did that. Wait, everyone, i said champing at the bit weve got a top one in a time. Were losing our minds. But its not me. Whats your point . My point is simply. This i think you have 18 republicans who are in districts that flipped joe biden 2020. Quite a few of them are gonna like unlikely to win next year. You have matt gates who, for the most, part is more than likely going to maintain the same position, for whomever become speaker, if its Steve Scalise<\/a>, we think it will become, in order to change the, rules were gonna have to get democrats to jump on board with republicans because its too late in the process. The congressman can speak to this better than i could. More than likely youre gonna have the same issue in the next 45 days, if they dont get what they want. Whats your thought, congresswoman . And whether theyre going to have to . In order to change the rules someone cant call to vacate the speaker without joining some republicans. Id be nice if they would do that. Now you have a lot of these moderates who arent maga people, and even politely trying to sit there and say, theyve been calling these going local heads that they are. And is very frustrating for them because they are the people who are governing. A lot of people that we saw today, the bob goods, the matt gaetzs, these are people who dont pass bills. These people who dont want to vote for budgets. They dont want the government open. These are the people who support donald trump, the eight trillion dollar budget buster guy. So theyre all theyre whining about the budget, and theyre the ones we want donald trump back in their, who doesnt want to cut any budget. So they are full of it, and theyre all jokers who dont want to work with anybody. You wouldnt want them in congress, you dont want them to your children. They just are not the question is they need adult supervision. They dont know how to run anything. At this point, there are calls now for Congressman Matt Gaetz<\/a> to be ousted why some because theres a real criticism happening right now that a select few were able to best majority of the republicans. Heres the question the republicans have to decide, and i like Steve Scalise<\/a>, i think probably due to, as well. I think he can govern. They have to change the rules. But republicans have to make a fundamental choice in the conference this week, next week, whenever they are talking to each other, and that is that they want to govern. If they want to be bombs hours and they want to be disrupters, they are doing a great job of, that but its going to cost them the 2024 house. I think theyre going to get beaten badly. Look at the district in new york in other places where those seats, i dont think they have a Shot Anywhere<\/a> in the making it a lot worse. That causes a problem for whoever the nominee is. I dont think its going to be trump. Im gonna say that on national tv. Nominee for the rnc . For the Republican Party<\/a>. I dont think its gonna be trump. I think people will put his name up to be speaker of the house. Look for that to happen as well. Whos it gonna be . In january during two of the 15 rounds of voting, a couple of people did actually write, and donald trump, but look, i think the Republican Party<\/a>, the bread of the Republican Party<\/a>, has been so badly damaged by donald trump and then again by the impact of what the maga wing of the party has done, so that just the brand of the party, and i want to take a quick second though. On the other side of the house, in the senate, i was honored to be there where we have our third black woman in the United States<\/a> senate, laphonza buckler, sworn in by the Vice President<\/a> of the United States<\/a> of america, so something good happened. What a silver lining. That just warms my heart, karen finney. If youre Kevin Mccarthy<\/a> youre like, thanks karen finney. Everyone, thank you. Standby for a moment here. There is so much more ahead of our breaking News Coverage<\/a>. Mccarthy, by the way, saying forget it, hes not running for speaker again. But will he resign his seat in congress . Hear his answers on that in just a moment. Plus, getting some Breaking News<\/a> tonight out of baltimore. Reports of an active shooting at morgan state university, and there are multiple victims. Details ahead. Youre probably not easily persuaded to switch mobile providers for your business. But what if we told you its possible that comcast Business Mobile<\/a> can save you up to 75 a year on your wireless bill versus the big three carriers . Its true. Plus, when you buy your first line of mobile, you get a second line free. There are no Term Contracts<\/a> or line activation fees. And you can bring your own device. Oh, and all on the most reliable 5g Mobile Network<\/a> nationwide. Wireless that works for you. Its not just possible. Its happening. Heres why you should switch fo to duckduckgo on all your Devie Duckduckgo<\/a> comes with a builtn engine like google, but its pi and doesnt spy on your searchs and duckduckgo lets you browse like chrome, but it blocks cooi and creepy ads that follow youa from google and other companie. And theres no catch. Its fre. We make money from ads, but they dont follow you aroud join the millions of people taking back their privacy by downloading duckduckgo on all your devices today. Tonight, the judge in Donald Trumps<\/a> fraud trial is issuing a gag order against the former president , it bans him from speaking about members of the court staff. This is after trump posted about the court clerk on social media. Here is what he said on his way out of court today. Be back tomorrow. Good day. Good day. What about the gag order . Im back now with my panel. We are joined also now by Westchester County<\/a> new York District<\/a> attorney, mimi rocha. So, me, this is an extraordinary move, i think, by this judge. Lots of people want to put gag orders on trump. In this case he decided to do it. Do you see the rationale here . Absolutely. I understand why it should be looked at as extraordinary, but first of all, i read, and i dont think its gotten out there much in the Public Discourse<\/a> about this, they dont actually did warn trump yesterday about this. So judges often give warnings. Before they issue an order like this. Its also a very narrowly narrowly tailored order. It is a very specific post that trump made about an actual person, sitting in the courtroom, who he posted personal information about her. Literally just doing their job. Exactly. And that is when you see judges, that is when you see Merrick Garland<\/a> doing interviews and speaking out even more. Its people who are the public face, the judges, the attorney general, of the United States<\/a>, the judge in the federal cases, you see the principles, the people who are the public face, really taking action and speaking out. When he starts to go after he every day Career Prosecutors<\/a> and court clerks, people doing their jobs because that is not fair to them and its very dangerous. So i think this was completely appropriate. This is part of a pattern. If it was just one of the one thing. But trump consistently attacks people that are part of the system, whether its Election Workers<\/a> or courtroom workers. And it almost seems like the intent is raise the bar for what we think is out of bounds for someone to do when it comes to just, what is appropriate behavior. Unfortunately he has done just that over the last several, years he is normalized all kinds of bad behavior. Hes a leader and an Anti Institutional Movement<\/a> that has captured the Republican Party<\/a>. So when you look at these judges or clerks trying to do their jobs, they are the representatives of the institutions that trump, in many ways, is railing against. Unfortunately for a lot of americans, they dont feel like the institutions have been responding to them over the last number of years. His burnett down message has been resonating for years and now it unfortunately is no closer to getting any weaker as far as we can tell. Jamal, trump is basically making this a Daily Campaign<\/a> press conference. Hes out there every day. Hes daring the judge to do something. The judge did something in this case because as a Court Officer<\/a> he literally attacking the judge every day. He is. One way to think about this, from the trump side, as a political strategy is, they dont really have a lot of other options. He cant Campaign Today<\/a> because hes got to be in court. Or hes going to be in court. So instead of trying to get around being in the courts, he goes to court, he makes outrageous statements, and then he supplies the dopamine for his people to keep them amped up. And so i think what has happened is, like in any other environment, the more he stimulates, them the more he has to do to keep them stimulated in order for them to see him as being the real truth teller, the only one who is saying the things that nobody else will say. I dont even think its that strategic. I think he just cant help himself. He loves to call everyone nasty. He is the epitome of nastiness. And he cannot help but attack people personally. Even if, even when its not strategic, he cant help it. You watch any legal show, watch law and order, common sense, the one thing you dont want to do is piece of the judge. This is the one thing you dont want to do. You he just cant help himself when he feels like he can attack and bully someone. Me, this is just the beginning, you notice the pretty limited gag order. What is the consequences if he breaks it, if he ignores it, if he goes any further, what do you expect . I mean, look, this is, this is a stress test, in my view. All of these cases for the judicial system, because things that work with people, ordinary people, i would call them, not people who are running for president , not people who are like donald trump in all the way that weve been talking about, they dont work here. I think its more intentional than just cant help himself, i think he is trying to delegitimize the institutions that can hold him accountable and hes been doing that since 2015, frankly. Its been a strategy all along, it is very good at it, and delegitimizing the judge that can hold him accountable. What the judge is going to do though is he issues the gag order, there is a very high likelihood trump will violated in some form, and probably the judge will issue some kind of fine or sanction, you know, prison is not those defendants wouldve been jailed for things like this. Whether a sanction will have any impact, we will have to see. But were stressing the limits of these rules and that is exactly what trump wants, me me, thank you for joining us, Tyrell Standby<\/a> for us, laura . Theres so much more ahead of our breaking News Coverage<\/a> and powerful conversations to be had. 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