An unprecedented morning in washington. Theres no clear speaker of the house, no date to elect one. New details about who republicans might pick next the day after the Wall Street Journal says they cut off their own heads. A brandnew gag order is now in place as donald trump soon heads back to court in new york this morning. And in georgia, prosecutors there, theyre making moves. New reporting on the plea deal theyre floating to multiple people charged alongside donald trump. A historic strike happening right now that could affect millions of Americans Health care. 75,000 Kaiser Permanente workers walking off the job, making this the largest u. S. Health care strike ever. Im sara sidner with kate bolduan and john berman. Cnn news central starts right now. This morning there is no speaker of the house of representatives, no clear sense who will be speaker, and no certainty when there will be a speaker. It is a veritable congressional abyss and an unprecedented one brought on by republicans after Kevin Mccarthy became the first speaker in history voted out by his peers. This morning, we are getting new reporting on who is jockeying for the post, who is making the most headway. Were also getting new information about the future of congressman matt gaetz, who led the rebellion to oust mccarthy. Some of his republican colleagues want to boot him from the conference. And why this is all happening, what is not happening is the nations business. The house is paralyzed as the Government Shutdown looms just weeks away. Cnns lauren fox in the aftermath of it all, the fallout on capitol hill. Good morning, lauren. Reporter good morning, john. There is so much we do not know in this moment, just hours after House SpeakerKevin Mccarthy announced he would not run again to become the House Speaker. After that historic vote to oust him. Next steps, of course, replacing him and the question of who will get the gavel. There are already calls and work under way for members to try and gauge support for whether or not they could be the next speaker. Obviously, all eyes are on Majority LeaderSteve Scalise. He is already a member of leadership. His team knows how to fight for a leadership position. Theyve done this before. And they have extensive experience on how to actually run the house floor. Theres also some talk about kevin hearn, the leader of the republican so much chaos on capitol hill that the lights and the cameras arent even working there. No speaker, no camera, no dice this morning. Obviously i dont even know what camera im on. Well get Lauren Fox Up back as soon as we can. The bottom line, kate, there is no speaker, no date to elect the next speaker, and there is a lot of jockeying right now. Who will be next, thats the game, not really a ga im, thats the serious situation right now facing republicans on capitol hill. They couldnt get anything done because it was total chaos last night, so theyve thrown in the towel. Theyll come back on tuesday. Well see what happens between now and then. But theres still a lot of i mean, theres a real hangover on capitol hill right now about what theyre facing in the republican majority. Lets talk to one of those republicans whos now having to deal with the fallout now. Republican congressman Anthony Esposito of new york is joining us now. Thanks for taking the time. You did not support this move the oust Kevin Mccarthy. You were in support to keep Kevin Mccarthy. Now that the sun is up, has risen again on capitol hill, how describe the state of things over there . I think yesterday we saw from matt gaetz one of the greatest acts of heresy that ive seen in a while. Hes literally taken one of our oldest institutions and put it into a downward spiral all over selfish needs, all over twitter feeds and raising money. You know, he criticized repu republicans, specifically Kevin Mccarthy last saturday, when we were able to pass a bipartisan 45day cr to keep this country moving forward and the government ohm. He criticized us that we worked with democrats. Thats one of the reasons he moved the motion to vacate. Yet yesterday, he worked with democrats, some of the most progressive and farleaning left in the conference, in order to take Kevin Mccarthy out. He is by every stretch of the definition a complete hypocrite. I will say this i heard you say that before about matt gaetz working with the left. But this is a republican conference problem, full stop. I mean, this is a problem amongst republicans. No republican would expect democrats to help join them to vote for speaker just as democrats wouldnt expect republicans to do so. But focusing in on matt gaetz, you say its about you said its hypocritical and heresy. He is not alone, though. There are eight republicans who voted to oust who voted to oust Kevin Mccarthy, and the word from some of them are they did not trust Kevin Mccarthy. He did not keep his word. Im hearing what do you say to that . I would have to disagree. I think from january or even right before that, kevin laid out a clear and concise commitment to america. And weve delivered on that. W weve put bills on the floor that nobody thought we could pass and we delivered them. Working for our country is about compromise. Some of those individuals had no interest in compromise. Its what they wanted or nothing. Quite frankly, i think most people, as we saw yesterday, 96 of our conference trusted Kevin Mccarthy and supported him to be our speaker. But unfortunately, we had small group who wanted to play real political games and wanted to be you know, use our rules to commit terrorist attacks, and thats what were dealing with now. Okay. So i heard mike lawler say this morning he thinks ths those who voted to oust him should be held accountable. Some suggested ousting matt gaetz from the republican conference. Do you think they should be held accountable . If so, how . Absolutely they should be held accountable. I mean, this is what were seeing today what we should be focused on is last saturday we had a win for the American People. When everyone said it was impossible, when everyone said the shutdown was looming in just hours, we were able to get onto that floor, pass in a bipartisan fashion, which was in the best interests of americans so how does it look now, congressman . It really depends. I guess we have to see who our next speaker is. But these individuals need to be held accountable and realize they cannot continue to act in the manner they are, because once they have one disagreement with the next speaker or the next leader, well be headed down the same path. Its not good for america, not good for the American People, not good for our conference, and its not good for this institution. There is a real question i think a lot of folks have from the outside looking in, in what happened yesterday. Does it reinforce behavior, or does it change behavior . Well, i really hope it changes behavior. I think that probably matt gaetz woke up this morning thinking it reinforces his bad behavior, but i think for the rest of the conference and the people, both democrats and republicans, i hope it changes behavior. Thats what needs to happen in washington, d. C. The Ripple Effects are real in the immediate and potentially in the long run. I want to play for you what some of your fellow republicans are saying about the longterm Ripple Effect of this. Listen to this. I think its sending a terrible signal to the electorate in advance of the 24 election that this republican majority cannot govern itself. And we need to change that. Could it cost you the majority . It could. This Leadership Crisis could cost you the majority. Are you concerned about that . Actually, im not. I think the American Public understands what were doing, and i think they fully support it. Two republicans coming from two different angles. Steve womack with you supports the former speaker, and tim burchett who voted to oust him. Do you think this hurts you when it comes to reelection . I dont. I think that people back home on long island and Nassau County in the fourth Congressional District understand im working as hard as i can. They saw last saturday when i worked in a bipartisan fashion to keep this government open. Theyve seen i worked across the aisle. I think the fifth most moderate republican in the house of representativess. They know im working to restore salt, to secure our border. Thats what im focused on and the reasons they sent me here. Let me ask this a different way. Does it help you with reelection showing what the republicans look like right now . Having our house adjourned when we should be putting Appropriation Bills on the floor and getting this country back up and running doesnt help anyone. Do you have a name for who you would like to be next speaker . My ears and eyes are wide ohm. I know that today were going to have some meetings. We have the long island crew thats going to get together in a little bit minus, of course, george santos. Well have some discussions based on what is best for our area, for the state of new york, and for long island, and im looking forward to being unified and making the best decision for this country. The long island crew. Sounds like a fun party. Id like to join you guys sometime. Maybe not today. More like a funeral. Its good to have you on, congressman. Thank you very much. A big couple days ahead. Great interview, kate. Scott generals joins us, former Special Assistant to president george w. Bush, and cnn political analyst and Washington Bureau chief for the boston globe, jackie desantis. Scott, ill start off the bat with what we just heard. We just heard from republican Anthony D Esposito using the word heresy to describe what matt gaetz and the others did. I want you to hear from one of his new york colleagues, mike lawler, who also said this about what should happen to those who caused this chaos. Here he is. I think there needs to be a reckoning within the conference. There needs to be accountability for the eight individuals who selfishly upended our House Majority and put their own interests above the country, above the conference, and above the institution behind us. My personal opinion, they need to lose their committee assignments, and there needs to be consideration as to whether or not theyre even part of the conference. Do you think hes right . Those are some strong words. Kick them out of the conference. Take away all of their committee jobs. What do you think . Well, whoever the next speaker is is going to have to wrestle with this, but i assume that person will need their votes. The core issue is do the republicans have a functional majority. The question was asked of the last representative. Will this cost you the majority. In some ways it already has, because you have people effectively conferencing with the democrats to control the floor. They conferenced with the democrats to defeat mccarthys more Conservative Cr and conferenced with the democrats to defeat mccarthy on the floor. Right now im not sure the republicans are the majority. You have more of a coalition government, and this group is spending all their time siding with democrats. To me, the next question is are the rules going to change . Will one person be able to trig err Leadership Crisis . And what is that next speaker going to have to promise this group of seven, particularly on the issue of ukraine, which i think is the next order of consequence . Funding for ukraine has been a sticking point, and thats something that was worked out. Jackie, we are 40something days until the potential of another Government Shutdown because there has to be a Spending Bill that is passed yet again. This is what mccarthy just did, surprised everyone, got it done. Theres no speaker. There is no deaf it in replacement for a speaker right now. So how does Congress Even function . Where do we go from here . Its an excellent question. Its going to be hard for a speaker to try to get these bills at the Level Mccarthy agreed to during the Debt Ceiling Deliberations passing the house. Now you have someone potentially untested, whoever it is, having to wrang it will same thing and get these republicans to a place where they can govern. What hasnt changed is the senate is industrial controlled by democrats, and joe biden is still president. While the dynamics and the chaos in the house continues to be a thing, Everything Else is pretty much the same and they still have the same realities come 40 days. Were hearing from folks inside the white house basically saying, look, all is calm here, weve got this in hand. But Congress Needs to get it together. The house needs to figure out what theyre doing and get themselves a speaker. I want to talk about the needs that h about the names that have been floated. Steve scalise, phone calls are being made to other members. What do you think about possible names . Well, i think scalese out of that group sounds like the favorite to me, and i think emmert had signaled he would be for scalese. The real question is Kevin Mccarthy going to try to play king maker here. People wanted him to run again. Is he going to express a preference and try to lead a group towards that preference. But it strikes me that in the early stages of this, scalese i think should fairly be considered the frontrunner. But there are several theyre going home for several days. They dont have a Candidate Forum until next tuesday. Why in gods earth would you do that . Why would you leave after causing this ruckus . Why would you walk away and say, all right, were just going to take a break now . Maybe they need a coolingoff period. I think its pretty raw inside that conference. I think emotions are high. I think theres a lot of anxiety and tension. It may do some good for them to go home, settle down, and come back, and be ready to deal with each other. You heard some of the floor speeches yesterday. Theres a lot of mistrust and tension among the people pem when you put them back in the room next tuesday, theyre going to have to find a way to Work Together. Theyre supposed to be the majority party, but theyre not acting like it right now. A question i wanted to ask you, jackie, as well. Democrats and republicans are going to have to Work Together, but the republicans first have to Work Together with one another to get a name they can put forward. How do you see this playing out . Is this going to go on for days, do you think . I think it really depends only who the person is. Scotts right, Steve Scalise is making calls. Hes someone a lot of the conference likes and trusts. But i really think the hangup is going to be this motion to vacate. Do they change that rule . Because no matter who the speaker is, theyll have this over their head. If you have ten members of the conference that are mad at you, you could have a real problem and it could be musical speakers. That is not impossible. So, theyre going to really have to have, you know, a real conversation about whether this makes sense going forward, and theyre certainly going to have pushback from those members of congress who just utilized it and have a fresh sense of the power that they have. Yeah fm youd be crazy to take this job if that rule doesnt change, because if one person can go if youve got a conference that big and you dont have 10 or 15 people mad at you at any given time, you know, what are you actually doing . Right. So, to me, they would want that rule changed. But i dont know that this group is going to want that because it takes away all their power. This is a real thats right. And he agreed to it, and now here we are. Well have to wait and see. Thank you so much to both you, skoths, a joth, and to you, jackie. Any moment, a new gag donald trump arrived in court. What he did that pushed the judge to silence him and what it means for his fraud trial going forward. The Largest Health care strike in history. And five people shot on a College Campus during a homecoming weekend. All right. Happening now, donald trump gagged for the first full day here in new york. Trump right now is on his way to attend the civil trial where hes already been found liable for fraud, and now he is forbidden from posting, emailing, or speaking publicly about any members of the court staff, something trump has done repeat lid each day of this trial. The judge issued the order after trump attacked the clerk online. Cnns Brinn Gingras outside this new day of court with this new situation for those involved. Brinn . Reporter yeah. We dont expect him to not stop talking at all, john. I imagine when he gets here, hell go once again in front of the cameras as he always does right before he heads into the courtroom for day three of this civil trial. Like you said, the judge yesterday issuing this strong rebuke, directing it right at the defenses table act the former president , who was sitting there, because of his truth social posts that he posted online yesterday. It was a picture of the judges clerk with Senate Majority<