Today on inside politics, winning was easy. Governing is harder. Hardliners get the outcome they want, Kevin Mccarthy is no longer the House Speaker. But they forgot to figure out what happens now. Plus the race is on. Jim jordan says he is running for speaker. Others are already doing Temperature Checks with members. Ill talk with two republican congressmen and ask who they would back. That will be in minutes. And a warning. Donald trump is instructed by a judge to stay silent and say nothing about that judges staff after the former president posts and then deletes an attack on a judicial clerk. Im dana bash. Lets go behind the headlines and inside politics. Up first, speaker for hire. The republican rebels may have succeeded in kicking Kevin Mccarthy to the curb, a very real question now is who can lead an unruly chaotic republican conference. And that puts its money where its motion to vacate is. You can apply now on the Job Site Day Book for Kevin Mccarthys old job. The title and salary are pretty good. But it is fair to say whoever gets the gig is walking into a toxic workplace. These are eight of your potential coworkers. Insurgents who history will record as helping engineer mccarthys ousted siding with democrats to do so. Mccarthy now the third shortest serving speaker to ever hold the gavel and now former speaker delivered a Late Night Invective aimed squarely at those rebels. Mccarthy says it is their turn to feel the heat. One thing i do know, this country is too great for small visions of those eight. One of the things when i was running for speaker that i said i couldnt get involved in primaries. I told the Conference Im a free agent now, arent i . I think im pretty good at electing people. And well talk more in a bit about those eight rebels. But first to capitol hill where Manu Raju Is Standing by. I know you are getting new information about one of the candidates for speaker, jim jordan. What is he saying . Reporter yeah, i just caught up with him as he is meeting with the texas delegation which is the largest state sdelegatio talking about his pitch to become speaker, saying he wants to unite the republican conference. But in a very significant comment he just made to me, i asked him about if he is speaker would he move forward with the new aid package for ukraine and he said I Am Sxwenagainst That that is further than Kevin Mccarthy went as speaker. Even though he put the brakes on moving forward as an aid package, he suggested that he could move with one. But the next speaker will have a huge say in the agenda and key issues like moving forward on aid to ukraine. He did say perhaps if the senate were to send something over they would consider it at that point, but he said ukraine is not a priority for the American People. One of the many things that he is saying behind closed doors as he tries to get the support to become speaker, and it will take time for the House Republicans to hash out who they want. There are other candidates as well. Steve scalise plans to run for speaker. He also is meeting with the texas delegation. And i also caught up with kevin hern who is a chairman of that largest republican group, conservative group, within the large hst house gop conference. He is open to running as well. Jordan an hern both made their pitch about why they think that they could be the next speaker. What do you say to moderates who are concerned about your politics, your conservative politics . I think were a conservative center right party. I think im the guy who can help unite that. My politics are consistent with where conservatives are across the country. What im listening from people, they want a different face, they want somebody to put policies over personalities. And in looking to see what we can do about listening a lot and seeing how we will move forward. Reporter kevin hern did not say that he was definitely running for speaker. He is simply listening to his members. He may run for other Leadership Positions as well. A number of members are looking to get into different spots within the leadership. And it is not just a game of musical chairs. This is so significant because it determines the partys agenda, their strategy, their tactics. Ultimately determines the policy that affects the lives of people here in the United States and around the world. So these key decisions will be made by next week as the House Republicans expect next week to nominate their candidate for speaker and then the person has to be elected to be speaker of the house. And that will be no easy task because five republicans can scuttle the plans for a republican speaker which is why these conversations are happening now for these potential candidates to get some support. Great reporting as always. I know you are outside that meeting of the texas delegation where those potential possible speaker candidates are. So get back to us if you get any new information. Here with me to share their reporting, kasie hunt, and also eva mckend, and also jeff zeleny. I feel like we never left the studio. We all just saw each other. Lets just start with that reporting from manu. Jim jordan is being very aggressive suddenly about trying to get the votes to be speaker. And the fact that well talk more in the next segment about ukraine and what they are saying at the white house. But the fact that he believes that this is a Good Campaign platform, if you will, to say im against ukraine funding. What does that tell us . I think it tells you everything. I think it also tells you where jim jordan obviously is positioning himself. I was just talking with another congressman Kelly Armstrong who is a strong supporter of Kevin Mccarthy who had reservations about ukraine funding. I think this has really become something that is coming from i would say i mean, jeff, youre on the trail more than i am talking to what i would call the maga base. But i think these members really there are serious Bottom Up Pressure on them right now. And i think jordan is reflecting that in kind of a broader sense. And in terms of his bid for speaker, have you ever seen jim jordan do anything in a manner that was not aggressive . Fair. No, but i also im just remembering the days of standing in the hallway with you guys back when he was making john boehner ares life a living you know what. And he was the Flame Thrower. And imagining him in the position where his life would be made you know what and not the Flame Thrower but the flame target, if you will, is hard to see. But as we talk more about that, jeff, i want to bring you in, he is not the only one running for speaker, Patrick Mchenry is the current sort of temporary speaker, if you will. Steve scalise is the number two who is also considering running. Tom emmer is the whip who is also considering running. Jim jordan is running. And then kevin hern you just heard manu talk about him, he is a conservative, leader of what is known as the Republican Study Committee which used to be the freedom caucus, like the most conservative House Republicans. And still big, still the biggest but those are the names we know now. My sense is from speakers races gone by that there can be sure prices. Dennis hastert did not think that he would become speaker after congressman livingston had to step aside. So that is a bit of history. But as we go forward here, there is a bit of time. Clearly what happened last night that was a bit surprising was to have a timeout, if you will, and let the steam sort of escape from the capitol but during that time very good way to put it. People stepping into the vacuum here and the letter jim jordan sent to his member, he is getting right to it. So i think the questions are here ukraine absolutely will be one of the issues. But also procedurally. There are some moderates who want the rules to change and the motion to vacate to change. Obviously some hard liners do not want that to change, but that is of course one person can throw out the speakership. So i think in addition to issue, there will be some procedural questions as well. But this is also a Popularity Contest in some respects. So how these members have treated their rank and file is very, very key. Tom emmer, that is why i think he and Patrick Mchenry and Steve Scalise. First, Steve Scalise has so much good will from a broad spectrum. His health is concern as he recovers from cancer. So those are some of the issues there. And is donald trump going to weigh in. He has been utterly silent essentially silent. For him. For sure. So well see. Lets talk about the retribution, potential retribution for those eight. And lets listen to what Kevin Mccarthy said among many other things about those eight who voted to kick him out. They dont get to say theyre conservative because they are angry and they are chaotic. That is not the party i belong to. The party of reagan was if you believed in your principles, that you could govern in a conservative way. They are not conservatives and they do not have the right to have the title. I dont think that this attack really lands on them. You know, these i think folks that voted to oust mccarthy, they have a lot more power than they once did. This is not the Republican Party of years past. Congresswoman mace, congressman gaetz, they can fund raise off of this without issue. They can rely on small dollar donors. So the threats from the establishment really ring hollow. And were talking about the next speaker, but who is to say were not going to be in this position several weeks from now. I mean, none of the candidates that have been floated so far can do a whole lot more anything different than what Speaker Mccarthy did. The question, very good question, is why are they waiting a week to do this. And part of the answer might lie in some of the comments that were hearing from these republicans. Very, very raw. Very angry. Chip roy, republican of texas, is one of those. He was on a radio show with Steve Deese Out of iowa. You have to listen to this. You want to come at me and call me a r. I. N. O. , you can kiss my ass. You thump your chest on twitter, come to my office and have a debate, mother. Im not going to [ bleep ] there are people buried over in normandy who deserve us to stand up for what they fought for. That is what im going to do. All of you [ bleep ] out there saying what youre saying on social media, you stick it. Im going to go down on the floor and do my job and stand up for the people who fought for this country. A lot of emotions right now in the House Republican conference. But i will also point out that lot of this, you know, some of the rationale for Ousting Mccarthy as speaker obviously stemmed from the whole fight over the budget deal, keeping the government open. And theoretically House Republicans wanted to spend the next, you know, 40 some odd days working on actual appropriation bills, doing the work of the people, trying to get the government funded even if those bills were kind of d. O. A. In the senate. And now all that oxygen will be up canned by trying to figure out who the next speaker of the house is. Which is why i was kind of surprised that they werent just going to kind of stay in town the next three days or so to try to figure this out. But that is a path that they are doing right now. And im also surprised that speaking of retribution, why we cant seen an Expulsion Resolution for matt gaetz yet. Maybe well see that soon. So there is retribution going on all over the place. A lot more to talk about particularly on this because the interim House Speaker is already taking heat for his first order of business which was targeting two top democrats. Also next, how does President Biden play this chaos on capitol hill. Well go to the white house and get reporting on that. Well go down Pennsylvania Avenue to the white house where they are trying to remain above all the turmoil on the other side of the government on capitol hill. They are of course expressing concern about how the speaker vacancy could affect major priorities like ukraine funding. Kayla tausche is live at the white house with the latest. What are you hearing from your sources in that building behind you . Reporter the president s Reelection Campaign and Democratic National committee highlighting the chaos on social media calling the gop a Three Ring Circus and posting any number of memes about House Republicans. But the president in his official capacity is not exactly taking a victory lap. Aides are trying to project an image of calm and Business As Usual for biden. And yesterday the white house released a statement immediately after or in the short aftermath after the house voted to oust mccarthy as speaker that said that President Biden has demonstrated that he is always eager to work with both parties in congress in good faith on behalf of the American People because the urgent challenges facing our nation will not wait. He hopes the house will quickly elect a speaker. Urging congress to get back to the business of governing especially with the Clock Ticking on funding the government in the next month and a half or so. To that end, President Biden will be giving a speech today on Student Loans and forgiveness plans. And the administration is still working behind the scenes to try to shore up support for ukraine aid. Yesterday john kirby the spokesman for the National Security council said that the administration is confident that the vast majority of complains do support that aid, that being house leadership, and the chairs of the relevance National Security committees, but he would not say how the administration viewed the potential speaker race and would not even address the speaker in the past tense yesterday. So interesting. Thank you so much for that, kayla. Back here around the panel, there is no question, we talked at the beginning of the last segment about the fight for the next speaker. Ukraine being a big issue, that there is no question there is concern be white house about what will happen, never nind kyiv about what will happen there. Part of what they have to get over in the short term is not just getting a new speaker, it is the discords that is going on and it is brutal and it is personal. One of the things that we heard from Kevin Mccarthy is kind of an allegation or story that he told about a conversation he had with nancy pelosi when he was trying to become speaker back in january where he seemed to suggest that she said she had his back. Listen to this. Nancy pelosi came to me, she was speaker at the time on the way out, and i told her i was having issues with getting enough votes. She said what is the problem. I said they want this one person rule out. She said just give it to them. Ill always back you up. I made the same offer to boehner and same thing to paul because i believe in the institution. And i think today was a political decision by the democrats. And i think that the things that they have done in the past hurt the institution. This criticism is so curious to me because it is not as if they already had a relationship where it would have made sense for that kind of argument or that kind of exchange to happen. But this i mean, this is one of the most baffling narratives i think to come out from the right, that this is somehow all democrats fault. Speak aer mccarthy did not even approach democrats in the final hour and try to make a deal. It was abundantly clear to everyone following what was going on chill that he was losing his right flank weeks ago. And that would have been the opportunity to work with democrats. Certainly interesting, but even if they did have that conversation, boy, a lot has happened since they had that conversation. And that is Speaker Mccarthy at the time sort of going against the deal he made with President Biden, opening an impeachment inq inquiry, on and on. So he was trying last night to project optimism, but he was deeply angry and wounded. And his relationship with nancy pelosi is essentially nonexistent. But i think the Bigger Picture here is if this next year and two months is supposed to be a referendum or a choice for the white house and for republicans and democrats, what all this is doing is sort of helping the president make the argument that this is not a governing body, this is not a governing party. And i want to talk big picture, but i did reach out to pelosis office about the allegation that mccarthy said that she said that she would have his back, and the response was pelosi has always made clear for mccarthy and everyone that she values respecting the dignity and integrity of the house. Nine months later it is clear that no one on the side of the republican